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transbetty · 08-22-2013, 02:46 AM

Hello,

I'm a somewhat newbie and I need advice on analyzing stats (mostly Nats), more precisely "Submits". From my understanding a submit is any (even non-qualifying) submit on join page.

Three of programs I promote have several submits , but very few or no sales. I'm sending quality traffic (mostly organic), targeted users who read my site reviews (not bought traffic or redirects). Sample for last 3 months:

Program A:
Submits: 143
Joins: 8

Program B:
Submits: 55
Joins: 0

Program C:
Submits: 10
Joins: 5

Is this normal or should I contact the managers to review the logs? Those ratios look way too disproportional to me.

lucas131 · 08-22-2013, 04:03 AM

you know what, there is a magic about submits ... two days ago i have been asking, why do i have 7 submits in 150 uniques, then i made some promo, and next day got only 1 submit in 600+ uniques ... things that makes you go hmmm ... got answer that this pattern is nothing abnormal ... hmmm ...

lucas131 · 08-22-2013, 04:04 AM

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adultchatpay · 08-22-2013, 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by lucas131

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and that translates to?

Nicky · 08-22-2013, 04:49 AM

Submits are those that enter in a username, pass and email on the sites join page and get directed to the biller. You can see anything from 1:2 to 1:200 in sales from submits. Usually depends on how much info you need to enter on the site's join page, and how much preselling is done and how forthcoming the site is about cost etc.

Google Expert · 08-22-2013, 04:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by transbetty

Hello,

I'm a somewhat newbie and I need advice on analyzing stats (mostly Nats), more precisely "Submits". From my understanding a submit is any (even non-qualifying) submit on join page.

Three of programs I promote have several submits , but very few or no sales. I'm sending quality traffic (mostly organic), targeted users who read my site reviews (not bought traffic or redirects). Sample for last 3 months:

Program A:
Submits: 143
Joins: 8

Program B:
Submits: 55
Joins: 0

Program C:
Submits: 10
Joins: 5

Is this normal or should I contact the managers to review the logs? Those ratios look way too disproportional to me.

Your numbers are normal.

lucas131 · 08-22-2013, 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by adultchatpay

and that translates to?

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247mg · 08-22-2013, 04:59 AM

Submits are those who submit the pre-join form of NATS and pass to biller for payment. Now its upto payment processor to accept or decline. If approved by processor it should come back as Sale if not then nothing. If you got your own merchant account than you should see the decline reason other wise not.

arock10 · 08-22-2013, 07:23 AM

Anyone can type gibberish in and click submit and it counts

Dirty D · 08-22-2013, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by arock10

Anyone can type gibberish in and click submit and it counts

Exactly correct

Sly · 08-22-2013, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by arock10

Anyone can type gibberish in and click submit and it counts

Not to mention, they can do it multiple times, which they do. And they can also be from countries that are not easily processed for. Example: Pakistan.

Raw submit data like that really does not provide enough information for any real analysis. Those are simply incomplete data points.

Now if you have data on how many individual Americans submitted and how many joined? then you can do some analysis.

xxxcoupon · 08-22-2013, 08:29 AM

submits = free data for companies to mail later

transbetty · 08-22-2013, 04:42 PM

I'm assuming submits are counted from first step submits in 2 step registrations (as Nicky wrote above). Is this common setting?

I did some in-depth research for program A (last 30 days)

Google Analytics data
Unique site exit hits : 54
Hits from "higher" value countries: 39
- USA, UK, Germany, France, few European countries
Hits from "lower" value countries: 15
- Turkey, Brazil, .. 1-2 unique hits from each

NATS
Unique hits (Nats): 55
Submits: 21
Joins:2
Demographical Report of NATS showed UK had 14 submits and no join.

UK isn't Pakistan, I'm I too paranoic or is there a reason to worry?

signupdamnit · 08-22-2013, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by transbetty

I'm assuming submits are counted from first step submits in 2 step registrations (as Nicky wrote above). Is this common setting?

It's very common. Among other things often programs will collect the email address and automatically send out dating or cam offers to the email address. Typically you get nothing for this as the affiliate sending the traffic. It also allows them to build a list for email marketing later.

Try clearing your cookies and signing up for step 1 to another email address and then see what emails you receive.

Quote:

I did some in-depth research for program A (last 30 days)

Google Analytics data
Unique site exit hits : 54
Hits from "higher" value countries: 39
- USA, UK, Germany, France, few European countries
Hits from "lower" value countries: 15
- Turkey, Brazil, .. 1-2 unique hits from each

NATS
Unique hits (Nats): 55
Submits: 21
Joins:2
Demographical Report of NATS showed UK had 14 submits and no join.

UK isn't Pakistan, I'm I too paranoic or is there a reason to worry?

When in doubt try an unannounced test signup. As an affiliate you have every reason to be paranoid. But it's hard to read anything into a low volume of submits as others have said. Large amounts tend to average out more. With small amounts so many things can skew the data.

Good luck.

_Richard_ · 08-22-2013, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

It's very common. Among other things often programs will collect the email address and automatically send out dating or cam offers to the email address. Typically you get nothing for this as the affiliate sending the traffic. It also allows them to build a list for email marketing later.

Try clearing your cookies and signing up for step 1 to another email address and then see what emails you receive.

When in doubt try an unannounced test signup. As an affiliate you have every reason to be paranoid. But it's hard to read anything into a low volume of submits as others have said. Large amounts tend to average out more. With small amounts so many things can skew the data.

Good luck.

testing it would be your answer.. but you'd want to know how to reset your ip for those stats, (if you have clicked etc), and how long submit stats take to show up (sometimes a few minutes)

transbetty · 08-22-2013, 05:40 PM

Thanks for your input, I will do some test in upcoming days. I find it weird this happens only with 3 sponsors, otherwise I wouldn't bother.

signupdamnit · 08-23-2013, 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by transbetty

Thanks for your input, I will do some test in upcoming days. I find it weird this happens only with 3 sponsors, otherwise I wouldn't bother.

I'll just give you some straight talk about being an adult affiliate since you are new. Basically there are a lot of people who run these affiliate programs who aren't the most honest people around. Oh some are great people but others you really have to watch.

Here is one affiliate program who appears to be starting up a program to sell ad space on affiliate traffic to their program without any additional compensation to the affiliate. https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1119096

Here's one of the bigger industry blacklists. Notice all the programs on it.
http://www.signbucks.com/news/blacklist

Here's what used to be a list of important program changes which stopped getting update lately. Notice how many have switched codes (ie you send traffic for free with no credit for sales) or shut down the program without notifying affiliates -- something which would be considered basic professionalism in a real business. Notice it is hundreds of sites a month at least.
http://www.signbucks.com/news/programs-changes

Here's a program which was apparently bought recently. From what I gather they pulled the promo content with no notice. Now an affiliate finds that his test signup failed and it appears likely that no credit is being given to affiliates when the customer uses at least one secondary processor.
https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1118630 Imagine how often this happens without anyone knowing or speaking about it here.

So my point is that people are going to try to screw you if you let them and you aren't always dealing with good people. In fact this industry tends to turn good people bad in the way they deal with affiliates because they see everyone else getting away with things so they think why shouldn't I too. You have to look out for you.

08-22-2013, 02:46 AM	#1
transbetty Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2013 Location: Prague Posts: 197	Newbie - advice on submits issue (NATS) Hello, I'm a somewhat newbie and I need advice on analyzing stats (mostly Nats), more precisely "Submits". From my understanding a submit is any (even non-qualifying) submit on join page. Three of programs I promote have several submits , but very few or no sales. I'm sending quality traffic (mostly organic), targeted users who read my site reviews (not bought traffic or redirects). Sample for last 3 months: Program A: Submits: 143 Joins: 8 Program B: Submits: 55 Joins: 0 Program C: Submits: 10 Joins: 5 Is this normal or should I contact the managers to review the logs? Those ratios look way too disproportional to me. __________________ Tranny Sites - tranny, fetish & BDSM porn site reviews by Betty Tranny Ladies - online tranny dating and community portal Transbetty - my personal blog (articles/photos/reflections)

08-22-2013, 04:49 AM	#5
Nicky Judge Jury and Executioner Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sweden Posts: 30,069	Submits are those that enter in a username, pass and email on the sites join page and get directed to the biller. You can see anything from 1:2 to 1:200 in sales from submits. Usually depends on how much info you need to enter on the site's join page, and how much preselling is done and how forthcoming the site is about cost etc. __________________ gfynicky @ gmail.com

08-22-2013, 04:59 AM	#8
247mg Yellowplum / 247mg Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Nicosia, CY Posts: 2,161	Submits are those who submit the pre-join form of NATS and pass to biller for payment. Now its upto payment processor to accept or decline. If approved by processor it should come back as Sale if not then nothing. If you got your own merchant account than you should see the decline reason other wise not. __________________ 247mg.com - Indian Affiliate Program - Over 50+ Sites To Promote - Monetize Your INDIAN Traffic Today!

08-22-2013, 07:23 AM	#9
arock10 Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,218	Anyone can type gibberish in and click submit and it counts __________________ Sup

08-22-2013, 08:29 AM	#12
xxxcoupon Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 172	submits = free data for companies to mail later __________________ To get listed on our site please email us at [email protected]

08-22-2013, 04:03 AM	#2
lucas131 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 11,475	you know what, there is a magic about submits ... two days ago i have been asking, why do i have 7 submits in 150 uniques, then i made some promo, and next day got only 1 submit in 600+ uniques ... things that makes you go hmmm ... got answer that this pattern is nothing abnormal ... hmmm ...

08-22-2013, 04:04 AM	#3
lucas131 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 11,475	a toz at se kurva dari

08-22-2013, 04:42 PM	#13
transbetty Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2013 Location: Prague Posts: 197	I'm assuming submits are counted from first step submits in 2 step registrations (as Nicky wrote above). Is this common setting? I did some in-depth research for program A (last 30 days) Google Analytics data Unique site exit hits : 54 Hits from "higher" value countries: 39 - USA, UK, Germany, France, few European countries Hits from "lower" value countries: 15 - Turkey, Brazil, .. 1-2 unique hits from each NATS Unique hits (Nats): 55 Submits: 21 Joins:2 Demographical Report of NATS showed UK had 14 submits and no join. UK isn't Pakistan, I'm I too paranoic or is there a reason to worry? __________________ Tranny Sites - tranny, fetish & BDSM porn site reviews by Betty Tranny Ladies - online tranny dating and community portal Transbetty - my personal blog (articles/photos/reflections)

08-22-2013, 05:40 PM	#16
transbetty Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2013 Location: Prague Posts: 197	Thanks for your input, I will do some test in upcoming days. I find it weird this happens only with 3 sponsors, otherwise I wouldn't bother. __________________ Tranny Sites - tranny, fetish & BDSM porn site reviews by Betty Tranny Ladies - online tranny dating and community portal Transbetty - my personal blog (articles/photos/reflections)