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fuzebox · 08-10-2013, 01:50 AM

For what it's worth I'm launching a network of new paysites next month. Shot 50 scenes so far and am shooting 100 more over the next 2 months. Don't plan on having any affiliates because I don't really need them. I'll let you know how it goes.

Markul · 08-10-2013, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox

For what it's worth I'm launching a network of new paysites next month. Shot 50 scenes so far and am shooting 100 more over the next 2 months. Don't plan on having any affiliates because I don't really need them. I'll let you know how it goes.

What niche(s)?

fuzebox · 08-10-2013, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Markul

What niche(s)?

Profitable ones that convert

PornDiscounts-V · 08-10-2013, 07:24 AM

I have worked with programs to watermark their content with my own url's and it works wonders. It is amazing how many surfers type them in. Then I thought about it. When I was a surfer I typed in the url to the site I bought from 99% of the time. So yeah, the 1% if the time I actually paid for something I did so via a type in.

OldJeff · 08-10-2013, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by DWB

Where did they go?

1) I don't care.

2) They quit, moved on, or were defeated.

People who find it too hard or can't grasp the new landscape leave. It's that simple. Sure, a lot of people are making less, but they are still making a lot of money. Most car companies are making less money too, as are many other industries and companies. The world changed, markets changed, economies changed and shifted, as did technology. It happens. But the money is still out there, it's just moving in different places now.

Money was EASY to make before. Too easy. Now it's not. Now that people actually have to think about what they are doing and work for it, most people can't hack it or figure out what is going on. However, tubes have without a doubt pushed most affiliates out, so on that front I feel ya, but tubes are not the end of business even if they cheapened some, but they are now the affiliates with insane amounts of traffic. Funny how that all worked out, but it is what it is.

Change is painful for those who are unable or unwilling to change. The same will happen in mainstream or wherever everyone goes. Change is unavoidable. So Bruce Lee said... be water.

:thum bsup

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Cannot give this post enough thumbs up

OldJeff · 08-10-2013, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

This realization is hard to take for someone in his forties but it's something I've struggled with for almost 20 years now. LOL Think about how different the world was only ten years ago......so accepting this, especially as we age, is imperative to living a fulfilling life and not blaming others for the change all around us.

Forties are just about to end for me MPB, Change is constant and the business changes every day, all we can do is evaluate, adapt and move forward.

I am frequently harsh, crude, pretty much a right prick on the boards, especially when people blame everything they cannot adapt to for the failure of their business.

I am making more money than I ever have in this business, paysites work for ME, middlemen help me make money, and I am happy to pay them a % because I realize the service they provide.

Affiliates are my partners, I can only make money if they do, if they do not make money they send their traffic somewhere else.

If someone is not making money it is not "The Business that is failing" It is the business model of the person that is failing

signupdamnit · 08-10-2013, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox

The updates page does show that she still adds new content, but other than that the site looks like it was designed 10 years ago. Today's surfer won't have any interest if they stumble on that site... Which they probably won't, as I can't find any evidence of her site being linked from just about anywhere on the internet. Given the lack of inlinks and no Alexa, I wouldn't be surprised if her "2/3 of ccbill members" was a drop from 30 to 10... which isn't enough volume to draw any conclusions at all.

This is just online marketing and monetization of traffic. If the user doesn't want to buy the product, he isn't going to.

Weren't we talking about content producers watermarking their products? How did I get sucked into this stupid thread

You should go tell her this then instead of telling me. I just thought I'd link you two up since she was asking why she lost 2/3 of her CCBill customers over the last two years and you seemed very optimistic about paysites.

The way you got "sucked" into this stupid thread was because you couldn't resist jumping into it to personally insult me (you contributed nothing else other than that in your first message). Here's your first post in the thread again.

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Signupdammit has quickly become the biggest joke on the board. Why the fuck do you still post here?

https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=19752607&postcount=74

signupdamnit · 08-10-2013, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by vvvvv

I have worked with programs to watermark their content with my own url's and it works wonders. It is amazing how many surfers type them in. Then I thought about it. When I was a surfer I typed in the url to the site I bought from 99% of the time. So yeah, the 1% if the time I actually paid for something I did so via a type in.

That is one of the the problems with the affiliate model I think. There is no sure way to track things adequately enough to ensure that the affiliate gets credit for the lead. Cookies used to help with this but they are of decreased effectiveness more so every year.

I've always been the same way. I hardly ever did an impulse buy but rather made a calculated decision and usually typed in the url after already visiting the site before many times previously. I don't think your average surfer does an impulse buy to a new site anymore. At the very least they research the site a little to make sure it is legitimate first. There are too many scam sites out there not to do that. Especially in adult.

PornDiscounts-V · 08-10-2013, 08:50 AM

Oh they do them. I know this because they buy through my pop-up campaigns which I track extensively. But they do type ins way more often. I know this because I created my own url's and tracked those with only water marks as a source of promotion. No link to the site. No seo traffic. All direct. Make up your own tours and url and brand. You will see that type ins are golden. The surfer instantly gives you more trust.

fuzebox · 08-10-2013, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

The way you got "sucked" into this stupid thread was because you couldn't resist jumping into it to personally insult me (you contributed nothing else other than that in your first message). Here's your first post in the thread again.

https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=19752607&postcount=74

thanks for the reminder. I'm still well aware of how I feel about your usual GFY posting.

The Porn Nerd · 08-10-2013, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by OldJeff

Forties are just about to end for me MPB, Change is constant and the business changes every day, all we can do is evaluate, adapt and move forward.

I am frequently harsh, crude, pretty much a right prick on the boards, especially when people blame everything they cannot adapt to for the failure of their business.

I am making more money than I ever have in this business, paysites work for ME, middlemen help me make money, and I am happy to pay them a % because I realize the service they provide.

Affiliates are my partners, I can only make money if they do, if they do not make money they send their traffic somewhere else.

If someone is not making money it is not "The Business that is failing" It is the business model of the person that is failing

This has been my philosophy for over 5 years now (how long I've been in this crazy biz). I started VERY late, in terms of age and Internet time (having missed the 'Golden Era' of the early 2000's). I knew from Day One I would never be able to generate either the sales volume or traffic volume of ten years ago, the competition is now too fierce. But so what? I had ZERO when I started so fucking $20 was a profit to me!

Now I continue to adapt and change, and yes it's scary but is it as scary as someone who's worked for a company for 14 years, goes into work one day as usual and gets fired on the spot, no compensation, no nothing just get OUT? At least I am steering my own ship so can only blame myself if I don't navigate the iceberg-filled waters. LOL

(I wish I could afford $400 a day and that rebills lasted longer than 2 months because I'd hit you up for Joins. LOL Great to hear your paysites etc are doing well!!)

Markul · 08-10-2013, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox

Profitable ones that convert

The best kind

geedub · 08-10-2013, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

If you want to believe that the industry and especially paysites are going strong then that is fine with me. Unlike some it isn't important to me that you believe the same thing I do. I think you are wrong but I'm not going to follow you around the board, stalk you like some ass, post cute little insulting pictures, call you names, engage in ridiculous debates about it and otherwise act like some 10 year old. It's your right to believe differently.

If you don't want to engage in debate then why are you posting your opinions on a public forum? Tell them to your mom or someone else who can provide you some sympathy. There now I have slightly insulted you.

signupdamnit · 08-10-2013, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by geedub

If you don't want to engage in debate then why are you posting your opinions on a public forum? Tell them to your mom or someone else who can provide you some sympathy. There now I have slightly insulted you.

It's not that I don't want to engage in a debate on occasion. It's more that some people here act as if they are in a cult. If anyone believes differently than them about the outlook of the industry then they go crazy, follow the person around in multiple threads and act like children. I have no use for that. It's stupid and IMO it only shows their own insecurity.

If I don't believe as you do, what's it to you? Why does it matter to you? It only does if you feel you have something to prove. To yourself maybe or others. Insecurity. Agree to disagree and move on.

Tom_PM · 08-10-2013, 02:01 PM

I think the thread is pretty clear though when it comes down to it: watermark your freaking content. If you don't own the domain that the paysite is hosted on, then redirect there. Represent the content they're going to buy well with your samples and don't even present any other links out or you're just screwing yourself. The person typing it in is not shopping around, they've already found what they want.

DWB · 08-10-2013, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

It's not that I don't want to engage in a debate on occasion. It's more that some people here act as if they are in a cult.

I am in the Making Money Cult. Guilty as charged.

severe · 09-12-2013, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters

I can hardly find any content for sell now though.

is 100,000 scenes enough? Just get whatever matches your niche.
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08-10-2013, 07:24 AM	#104
PornDiscounts-V Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: L.A. Posts: 5,744	I have worked with programs to watermark their content with my own url's and it works wonders. It is amazing how many surfers type them in. Then I thought about it. When I was a surfer I typed in the url to the site I bought from 99% of the time. So yeah, the 1% if the time I actually paid for something I did so via a type in. __________________ Blog Posts - Contextual Links - Hardlinks on 600+ Blog Network * Handwritten * 180 C Class IPs * Permanent! * Many Niches! * Bulk Discounts! GFYPosts /at/ J2Media.net

08-10-2013, 08:50 AM	#109
PornDiscounts-V Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: L.A. Posts: 5,744	Oh they do them. I know this because they buy through my pop-up campaigns which I track extensively. But they do type ins way more often. I know this because I created my own url's and tracked those with only water marks as a source of promotion. No link to the site. No seo traffic. All direct. Make up your own tours and url and brand. You will see that type ins are golden. The surfer instantly gives you more trust. __________________ Blog Posts - Contextual Links - Hardlinks on 600+ Blog Network * Handwritten * 180 C Class IPs * Permanent! * Many Niches! * Bulk Discounts! GFYPosts /at/ J2Media.net

08-10-2013, 02:01 PM	#115
Tom_PM Porn Meister Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,443	I think the thread is pretty clear though when it comes down to it: watermark your freaking content. If you don't own the domain that the paysite is hosted on, then redirect there. Represent the content they're going to buy well with your samples and don't even present any other links out or you're just screwing yourself. The person typing it in is not shopping around, they've already found what they want. __________________ 43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

08-10-2013, 01:50 AM	#101
fuzebox making it rain Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: seattle Posts: 22,043	For what it's worth I'm launching a network of new paysites next month. Shot 50 scenes so far and am shooting 100 more over the next 2 months. Don't plan on having any affiliates because I don't really need them. I'll let you know how it goes.