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Now that I think about it in some jurisdictions holding money because it is below a minimum amount once someone severs their business relationship may not even be legal much in the same way a utility company can't usually hold a refund due back to you because it's under $10. I doubt anything is going to happen, it's not exactly the same, and I have no idea where these guys are but maybe it's something to consider. I remember getting an $0.11 check from AT&T once after I terminated my service. This is the type of thing which is normal with real businesses as opposed to the "hookers and blow" adult industry. |
Imagine a plumber not getting paid because the guy only did $80 of repairs.
John: Sorry mister plumber, i'm not going to pay you because i only pay people out at $100. Plumber: But im going to become a pilot in a week, so i won't be able to do more repairs to reach the $100 :( |
You kinda said what I wanted to say but couldn't find the words
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If you get a lot of requests to ignore your minimum payout rule, then maybe your payout threshold is set too high for the rate at which your sites convert? If OP was the only person to ever request an exception, your program would still be a lil stingy to not pay what he is owed, but, if lots of people request this, then your thresholds are clearly not set at realistic levels. This is just math. It is only a few bucks and he earned it, so what is the big deal about paying your debt? |
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But anyone who is terminating their account and makes a specific request should get their entire balance owned no matter how much or little, like in any other industry. They made the sales after all. Anything else is unethical and IMO the non-paying site misses the point of minimums. |
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I always find it bizarre that these threads inevitably include someone saying the amount the sponsor owes the affiliate is chump change. If the sponsor is so baller and the amount is so miniscule, the reason the sponsor can't pay out on chump change to an affiliate who earned it is what? |
pay the guy and this thread is done
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I'm not rich. I do OK I guess. I just would never throw a sponsor's name under the bus for a measly $70. So petty and childish. |
how many 100s of millions you think have been stolen through this method?
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Granted, he did have sales in the past so if the program wants to do him a favor, be nice, cater to him, suck his balls, whatever... they can pay him the balance even though it goes against the terms set forth by the program he chose to promote. I didn't do any due diligence here so if the program doesn't clearly state the minimum payout in their terms, they should 100% pay up. |
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26/04/2012 11/10/2012 27/07/2013 Not once I got an email reply from you. I wish I had icq history for all attempts to contacting you. Till yesterday every time I was trying to contact you via icq your contact went offline right after. Some may call it bullshit because it's only $68 or so. For me its a money that I earned. I'm in the biz since May 2007. I'm building and submitting fs, galleries. I own multiple linklists and bunch of blogs. I never cheated anyone even for $1. If i'm late for paying someone for any services that I bought I always write them and asking for few days extension. I sold bunch of hardlinks and never took them down before expiring date, always writing an email with expiration notice week or two before that date. Fetish Wealth has no statement in their POS or FAQ about closing an account with minimum $100. For me this is a scam. Please close my account and shove my outstanding balance in your ass. |
How many links will be pulled if this thread continue on page 3
Let me guess 5, 10 , or 15 |
Pay the man. You earned money off his work, give him his cut. Fair is fair.
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I can understand the minimum payout rule, although if it's check, it should be set at the minimum $50. If it were, the OP would receive his payout, as his payout is ~$62.
The whole "ban minimum payouts" thing is really moot. FetishWealth uses NATS, which requires a minimum payout. Moreover, their default options are $50 for check, $100 to paxum for example. The way their software works, when you hit the minimum payout you get exported to a payment dump, which is the action that causes you to get paid. Without this you sit in "pending" - which is happening now. Also, there is no way in the software to get around this, so if they were to pay it out pre-maturely, his $62 payout will still be "pending" even though the program issued a payment, and at some point if he did make a sale or hit the minimum, the $$ would get exported in a payment dump at that time and the program would double-pay it out to the affiliate. |
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When you signup for the sponsor, you set a minimum payout and now you come here to complain that you aren't meeting it? Amazing.
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It's Your Money
They can't keep money that is legally yours. Since they appear to be Canadian, Canada has strick laws on escheatment. They can't keep the money, they have to turn it over to the government for safekeeping until you claim it. However, they get to hold on to the money for several years before the escheatment process. I'd suggest you contact the provincial office handling unclaimed funds and ask they do an audit on the company and any other companies the owners have.
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ya, it's not a scam at all.. just real bad business.. but that's their choice if they want to run things in that manner.
If bad PR over 70 bucks is ok with them, then that's kinda sad.. |
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It's an administrative hassle. While I think it's pretty bad service not to do it, it's their right to do so - because he knew the limit all along. I have many sponsors that I pushed when I started in this industry, where I never met the limit or met the limit and then stopped promoting and have still have $XX sitting. So what. Just cut the rope and move on. Especially for such a tiny amount of money. It's like... 3 pizzas... hmm now I am hungry. |
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would you allow someone to take over his account? IE: I offer him 50% of the value of his account pay him out and i take over his account as I know i can reach min payout rather quickly? |
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States & I'm sure Canada is the same. They want that money. Oh, they'll give it back when you claim it, but considering NY state is sitting on over $10 Billion in UCP, the daily interest is staggering. they audit UCP the same way they audit companies for sales tax. Normally they go after the big fish, but will go after little guys after a complaint. http://www.uppo.org/blogpost/925381/...d-Property-Law Ontario-Seeks-More-Feedback-on-Proposed-Unclaimed-Property-Law http://www.jmsadvisors.com/blog/Onta...operty-Program Ontario-Canada-Announces-Unclaimed-Property-Program http://www.jmsadvisors.com/images/jm...x-07-01-12.pdf |
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I would never dream of setting a minimum at like $50 which seems to be what you are suggesting. That would be ludicrous, I would be getting 4 cheques the same week from the same sponsor. |
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Again, in other industries this doesn't fly. I do alright monetarily, but if the phone company owes me $70 credit from a closed account I sure as hell expect them to pay. If I do a couple hours consulting work for a client, again I expect that $70 or whatever. And yeah, if I'm closing my account with a program I'd expect a payout upon request. It is sales made, work done. Never had this denied. I probably have at least several hundred dollars still kicking around programs that I don't promote anymore - most likely wouldn't take the trouble to pursue that $$$ after reading threads like these, but it would be nice to have the option to withdraw. With the amount of money programs pocket via hundreds of affiliates who don't make that minimum (and again the OP *did* make it and received checks, the site just stopped converting before a final check could be issued), you'd think they wouldn't mind. That being said, calling it a "scam" in the OP is stupid too. People need to take a deep breath before tossing a thread up on here, think carefully about using words like "scam" "cheat" or outright accusing someone of content theft without knowing the details (as happened the last couple days). |
Haters gonna hate.
Chosing to close an account is totally different than requesting the payment below minimum. If system sponsor/affiliate system is wrong then it's only affiliates fault only because we allow it to be this way. There are things that sometimes has to be done. Fetish Wealth decided to pay me outstanding balance which is already on my paxum account. Sadly there are no winners here. |
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I just checked - and I have around $1100 below minimum payout for programs I hardly send traffic to, this is just quick math by glancing at numbers from nifty stats, it's bound to be much more because many I don't even track anymore. I could chase all those different programs or I could spend my time more productively. Because I presume, that now that he had his affiliate account closed and the funds paid out, that he also removed ALL the content he used to promote the affiliate programs paysites... and not just the links right? For me that would take ages, since I worked so wrong the first 3 years doing all of this that all old stuff is not tracked right and I have hits coming from places I can't even identify anymore. So I'd much rater just let old shit sit (or close the sites as time goes by) and work on something that I know makes me money. So this isn't insecurity or anything about a bro club, it's about spending your time right. You could also argue, that if a program has a minimum payout threshold that you are made aware of when you enter into an agreement. Then the money you've earned aren't really yours until you go above said threshold. But I am no lawyer. And I run CCBill programs so I don't have to deal with stuff like this :) peace. |
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NATS has explicitly stated on GFY that they can walk any sponsor through doing a payout for someone who has not hit minimum. Looks like this particular issue is closed, but the NATS folks quite reasonably object to being blamed for sponsors not paying and claiming it is a NATS problem. |
i was paid recently less than the minimum payout when i asked to close an account.
and what damian j said is correct. it not about minimum issue , its account closing issue, if they dont have this (stealing money from affiliates account when he asked to close his account because minimum was not met regardless he was in good standing and been paid previously) in their terms then they should pay him., or expect less new affiliates. this industry is going down because of this, no respect for affiliates. |
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They now charge $75 to cash a cheque. Assholes :321GFY |
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If they make an exception for this loser, then everyone else would start asking for the same, and then proceed to make even more retarded demands. |
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Sticking to your rules, not bending over to web board rabble and not engaging in cheap BRO-style publicity stunts is a sign of integrity and commitment. Would do business. |
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Even if we take your retardedly extreme numbers into account, $50 x 1000 affiliates = $50,000 This isn't much even for a small affiliate program. I run my own program with no affiliates, and my monthly advertising budget is half that much. |
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It sounds to me like CamBoss has some sort of vested interest in this program, or he ios close with them in one form or another. That being said...
I do not see why the sales can not be verified (especially considering they are most likely old sales) and the money sent out to him. IMO it's not good business to just brush off an affiliate that sent his or her hard earned traffic and bandwidth to a program. You never know, that affiliate may be back someday to push your program again. The whole minimum payment is a scam anyways. |
employee working for 'proper business' gets paid monthly, for x amount of time.
employee hands in notice, 21 days. Employer says after the 21 days is up "goodbye, btw you didn't work a full month, so you aren't getting paid until you do another 7 days" employee says "I can't work, I don't have the tools to carry out the work anymore" Employer says "tough shit" high earners in same industry who still have their tools say "haha what a chump, fuck him, the lowlife brat cunt" You couldn't make the shit in this thread up. To the likes of warren buffet, richard branson, etc, $10k is literally 'chump change' - how many here berating the OP would change their tune if they were owed that for work they did, before shit hit the fan and it all went tits up? People need to remember where they came from, and how easy it is to end up back there, before swinging their e-dicks around, at someone who worked for their money in good faith, and was unlucky enough to have been hit by google/tubes/economy/whatever-it-really-doesn't-matter |
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They had a partnership. Deliver certain amount of goods = get paid. OP didn't deliver. FetishHits should email [email protected] and ask that OP be banned for false accusations. |
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They made good and paid him anyway, just cracks me up seeing the ballers on here spout off about 'real business', when they have no clue about what a 'real business' does regardless of what 6 or 7 figure income per year they are on. 'real businesses' don't shit on the little guys that contributed to them becoming 'real businesses' in the first place, no matter how small that part was, when it comes to a parting of the ways :2 cents: Like I said, too many people forget where they came from. |
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Seriously, where the fuck do you draw a line? One tard comes asking for money without minimum payouts, another one for money to be paid out before pay period ends, third one demands to be paid now and send joins later, fourth tard demands higher PPS payout. Do you see where I'm going with this? Rules are there for a reason. As much as you broke ass rabble try to make it out to be, this is not a case of an evil company pushing around little guy. |
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contract terminated by either party = pay out outstanding commission -------------------------------------------------------------------- early payout please = BS Your 3rd and 4th examples show you to be less of a baller than you make out :2 cents: And it's not about 'evil', it's about not being such a fucking jerkoff company, just as ANY 'real business' does. |
Those make no sense.
No one is suggesting programs should bend over backwards and payout higher PPS amounts or payout after an employee has chosen to cancel his account. It's perfectly simple for the imbeciles on the board. Affiliate: Sir, I would like to cancel my account. Please could you take this email as confirmation and pay any monies owed. The program owner should then proceed with Program owner: Certainly sir, we will be sorry to see you leave us however thanks for the time you spent promoting our program. I see you have $63 in your account, that money will be issued to you as a final cheque / PayPal / Paxum / Wire. Please remove any affiliate links you may still have up. I don't see why this is so hard for program owners to grasp. I suspect that whilst they say rules are rules what they really mean is, why should I. Fuck em. |
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What the fuck? This thread is a complete load of bullshit. Any sympathy I MIGHT have had in this situation flew right out the window when the thread title was such an obvious lie. Poor title choice.
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