Facts Open for Dispute

[Captain Kawaii]

Please provide counter-source of facts - if there are any. Just the facts. Not political rhetoric or other BS.

The writer's a douche but I like her writing style in this new OP ED piece.
Discuss

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It must be hard for young black males to always be viewed as criminals by people who notice crime statistics. We've jawboned that sad story for 40 years. Last week, President Obama ran it around the block again in another speech about himself in reaction to the George Zimmerman verdict.

Let's give that beloved chestnut a rest for a day and consider another way blacks have it harder than whites. Only black people are expected to never speak against their community. Might we spend five minutes admiring the courage of blacks who step forward and tell the truth to cops, juries and reporters in the middle of our periodic racial Armageddons? This one is never discussed at all.

In December 1984, Bernie Goetz shot four black men who were trying to mug him on the New York City subway. (About a year later, one youth admitted that, yes, in fact, they "were goin' to rob him." They thought he looked like "easy bait.")

A few days after the shooting, The New York Times got the racism ball rolling with its "beneath the surface" reporting technique: "Just beneath the surface of last week's debate was the question of whether the shooting may have been racially motivated."

Hoping for support for its below-the-surface thesis, the Times visited the mother of Darrell Cabey, the young man paralyzed from the shooting. As the Times summarized the feeling at the Claremont housing project where Cabey lived, "many people said the four teen-agers were troublemakers and probably got what they deserved."

Cabey's mother had received one letter that said: "[Y]ou get no sympathy from us peace-loving, law-abiding blacks. We will even contribute to support the guy who taught you a lesson, every way we can ... P.S. I hope your wheelchair has a flat tire."

The Washington Post also interviewed Cabey's neighbors. Eighteen-year-old Yvette Green said: "If I'd had a gun, I would have shot him." Darryl Singleton, 24 years old, called Cabey, "a sweet person," but added, "if I had a gun, I would have shot the guy."

As white liberals (and Al Sharpton) screamed "racism!" how'd you like to be the black woman called by the defense at Goetz's trial? Andrea Reid, who was on the subway car during the shooting, testified: Those "punks were bothering the white man ... those punks got what they deserved."

Reid had met the mother and brother of one of Goetz's muggers at a party. But she took the stand and told the truth.

Juror Robert Leach, a black bus driver from Harlem, was one of Goetz's most vehement defenders in the jury room, even persuading the others not to convict Goetz for unlawful possession of any guns, other than the one he used in the shooting. In the end, three blacks and one Hispanic on the jury voted to acquit Goetz of all 13 charges except for the minor one of carrying an illegal firearm.

More brave blacks stepped forward in the Edmund Perry case a year later.

Perry, a black teenager from Phillips Exeter Academy, along with his brother, mugged a cop and ended up getting himself killed. When Perry's brother Jonah was prosecuted for the mugging, two of the witnesses against Jonah were his black neighbors.

One neighbor testified that Jonah told him the night of the incident that his brother was shot when they were mugging someone. Another neighbor said Jonah told her that night that he tried to beat up a guy who turned out to be a cop. This was in a courtroom full of rabble-rousers, amen-ing everything defense lawyer Alton Maddox said.

They told the truth knowing they'd have to go back to the neighborhood. Whatever happened to them? Why aren't they the heroes? Where's their Hollywood movie? There was a movie about the Perry case. It was titled: "Murder Without Motive: The Edmund Perry Story." (The grand jury had no difficulty finding the motive: The cop was being mugged.)

In the middle of one of these racial passion plays, it takes enormous courage for a black person to step forward and say, "Yeah, I heard him say he mugged the cop," "If I had been Bernie Goetz, I would have shot them, too," or "I know George, he's my friend."

That last one was Elouise Dilligard, George Zimmerman's final defense witness. Clear as a bell, this black woman spoke warmly about "my neighbor George" and went on to describe his nose being disfigured and bloody right after the shooting.

You won't see her on CNN, though. In fact, you'll never hear a peep about any of these courageous black people, unless you obsessively research every "race" case of the last 30 years, as I did for my book "Mugged." (All these black heroes appear in my book.)

Whites never need to be brave this way. There's absolutely no pressure on white people to root for their race. In fact, there's often pressure to root against their race. Instead of being asked to weep over President Obama's ever having been looked at suspiciously (probably by Jesse Jackson), could we reflect on the fortitude of ordinary black citizens who resist "racial solidarity" and speak the truth?

COPYRIGHT 2013 ANN COULTER

Source: http://news.yahoo.com/unsung-black-p...tion=359286524

[deltav]

Jesus christ. What is it with this board and "I'm not a racist, buuut...." type racists?

I hang out at a lot of other forums & whatever, and nowhere else comes even remotely close to beating this dead horse into the ground as this place.

Far as "provide a counter-source of facts", wtf are you expecting??? This is an OP ED written at a 6th-grade reading comprehension level by someone widely known to be a rabble-rousing asshole.

[theking]

Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii

Please provide counter-source of facts - if there are any. Just the facts. Not political rhetoric or other BS.

The writer's a douche but I like her writing style in this new OP ED piece.
Discuss

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It must be hard for young black males to always be viewed as criminals by people who notice crime statistics. We've jawboned that sad story for 40 years. Last week, President Obama ran it around the block again in another speech about himself in reaction to the George Zimmerman verdict.

Let's give that beloved chestnut a rest for a day and consider another way blacks have it harder than whites. Only black people are expected to never speak against their community. Might we spend five minutes admiring the courage of blacks who step forward and tell the truth to cops, juries and reporters in the middle of our periodic racial Armageddons? This one is never discussed at all.

In December 1984, Bernie Goetz shot four black men who were trying to mug him on the New York City subway. (About a year later, one youth admitted that, yes, in fact, they "were goin' to rob him." They thought he looked like "easy bait.")

A few days after the shooting, The New York Times got the racism ball rolling with its "beneath the surface" reporting technique: "Just beneath the surface of last week's debate was the question of whether the shooting may have been racially motivated."

Hoping for support for its below-the-surface thesis, the Times visited the mother of Darrell Cabey, the young man paralyzed from the shooting. As the Times summarized the feeling at the Claremont housing project where Cabey lived, "many people said the four teen-agers were troublemakers and probably got what they deserved."

Cabey's mother had received one letter that said: "[Y]ou get no sympathy from us peace-loving, law-abiding blacks. We will even contribute to support the guy who taught you a lesson, every way we can ... P.S. I hope your wheelchair has a flat tire."

The Washington Post also interviewed Cabey's neighbors. Eighteen-year-old Yvette Green said: "If I'd had a gun, I would have shot him." Darryl Singleton, 24 years old, called Cabey, "a sweet person," but added, "if I had a gun, I would have shot the guy."

As white liberals (and Al Sharpton) screamed "racism!" how'd you like to be the black woman called by the defense at Goetz's trial? Andrea Reid, who was on the subway car during the shooting, testified: Those "punks were bothering the white man ... those punks got what they deserved."

Reid had met the mother and brother of one of Goetz's muggers at a party. But she took the stand and told the truth.

Juror Robert Leach, a black bus driver from Harlem, was one of Goetz's most vehement defenders in the jury room, even persuading the others not to convict Goetz for unlawful possession of any guns, other than the one he used in the shooting. In the end, three blacks and one Hispanic on the jury voted to acquit Goetz of all 13 charges except for the minor one of carrying an illegal firearm.

More brave blacks stepped forward in the Edmund Perry case a year later.

Perry, a black teenager from Phillips Exeter Academy, along with his brother, mugged a cop and ended up getting himself killed. When Perry's brother Jonah was prosecuted for the mugging, two of the witnesses against Jonah were his black neighbors.

One neighbor testified that Jonah told him the night of the incident that his brother was shot when they were mugging someone. Another neighbor said Jonah told her that night that he tried to beat up a guy who turned out to be a cop. This was in a courtroom full of rabble-rousers, amen-ing everything defense lawyer Alton Maddox said.

They told the truth knowing they'd have to go back to the neighborhood. Whatever happened to them? Why aren't they the heroes? Where's their Hollywood movie? There was a movie about the Perry case. It was titled: "Murder Without Motive: The Edmund Perry Story." (The grand jury had no difficulty finding the motive: The cop was being mugged.)

In the middle of one of these racial passion plays, it takes enormous courage for a black person to step forward and say, "Yeah, I heard him say he mugged the cop," "If I had been Bernie Goetz, I would have shot them, too," or "I know George, he's my friend."

That last one was Elouise Dilligard, George Zimmerman's final defense witness. Clear as a bell, this black woman spoke warmly about "my neighbor George" and went on to describe his nose being disfigured and bloody right after the shooting.

You won't see her on CNN, though. In fact, you'll never hear a peep about any of these courageous black people, unless you obsessively research every "race" case of the last 30 years, as I did for my book "Mugged." (All these black heroes appear in my book.)

Whites never need to be brave this way. There's absolutely no pressure on white people to root for their race. In fact, there's often pressure to root against their race. Instead of being asked to weep over President Obama's ever having been looked at suspiciously (probably by Jesse Jackson), could we reflect on the fortitude of ordinary black citizens who resist "racial solidarity" and speak the truth?

COPYRIGHT 2013 ANN COULTER

Source: http://news.yahoo.com/unsung-black-p...tion=359286524

I have zero use for Ann Coulter but I think what this article says is mostly true...if not entirely true. I remember these cases from when they were in the news.

[Captain Kawaii]

Originally Posted by theking

I have zero use for Ann Coulter but I think what this article says is mostly true...if not entirely true. I remember these cases from when they were in the news.

Yes. It just highlights the affects of a bought and paid for media within a country whose government is also bought and paid for.

[Captain Kawaii]

Originally Posted by deltav

Jesus christ. What is it with this board and "I'm not a racist, buuut...." type racists?

I hang out at a lot of other forums & whatever, and nowhere else comes even remotely close to beating this dead horse into the ground as this place.

Far as "provide a counter-source of facts", wtf are you expecting??? This is an OP ED written at a 6th-grade reading comprehension level by someone widely known to be a rabble-rousing asshole.

What I meant was, I would be interested to see if there was documented evidence she was lying about the facts, if the media was lying about the facts. Not much else, just bored. Apparently she speaks the truth.

The problem is the other end of her spectrum is filled with rabble-rousing assholes.

[theking]

Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii

Yes. It just highlights the affects of a bought and paid for media within a country whose government is also bought and paid for.

Of course the media is bought and paid for by the advertisers and viewers. The more viewers they have the more they charge the advertisers. The media has but one boss and he is the color green. And it is the color green that gets the people elected to our three branches of government. Ordinarily the candidates that spend the most money on airtime and other ads...are the ones that are elected. There isn't anything new about this...particularly since the age of television began.

[Captain Kawaii]

Originally Posted by theking

Of course the media is bought and paid for by the advertisers and viewers. The more viewers they have the more they charge the advertisers. The media has but one boss and he is the color green. And it is the color green that gets the people elected to our three branches of government. Ordinarily the candidates that spend the most money on airtime and other ads...are the ones that are elected. There isn't anything new about this...particularly since the age of television began.

Sad but true. So much for the ideals of the founding fathers.

[theking]

Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii

Sad but true. So much for the ideals of the founding fathers.

Well...it has been basically the same since the founding of our country. Those that got the greatest exposure won the elections...and exposure cost them money...just less in the early days than it does now. And advertising used to pay for the print media...just as it does now.

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Ann Coulter...

Did you see this in the Daily Currant recently:

Ann Coulter Walks Out of Star Trek, Claims ?Too Many Minorities?

Conservative commentator Ann Coulter walked out of a screening of Star Trek: Into Darkness last night, saying that the science fiction adventure had "too many minorities."

According to witnesses at Regal Cinemas in New York, the controversial author was seen cursing out the screen and exiting about half an hour into the picture.

In an interview on Sean Hannity's radio show today Coulter defended her actions saying that liberal Hollywood had lost touch with average Americans.

"Apparently in the future the liberals have extinguished all the white people," Coulter explained, "I mean they got a black girl running the communications, an Asian guy driving the ship and a pointy-eared alien doing pretty much everything else.

"I guess we're supposed to just accept that minorities will be the new majority. This isn't an entertainment film - it's nothing but a pro-Obama, multicultural piece of propaganda.

"And of course its not even realistic. Since when have black people been able to speak foreign languages? And shouldn't Sulu have crashed the ship into a quasar by now?"

Yesterday's Enterprise

The Star Trek franchise has a long history of promoting multiculturalism since its inception in the 1960's. It broke ground with a multi-racial cast and notably featured the first television kiss between a black and a white character.

The current film, which opened yesterday, is a reboot directed by J.J. Abrams featuring the characters from the original series. Critics have praised the film, but rarely mentioned its politics - a point which also confused host Sean Hannity.

"Now Ann, you know I love you," a puzzled Hannity said, "but I've seen the film, and although there were minorities, there were also plenty of whites. So I guess I don't see your problem."

"Sean, the only other white people are foreigners," she retorted, "you got one Communist from Moscow and a lazy, socialist engineer from Scotland. There's only one red-blooded American white person in the whole movie - and thank god he's the captain. The ship would fall apart in minutes without him.

"And Spock? The actor's gay, and the character is 'Vulcan' - which is code for Jewish. But its not just the characters. The whole Star Trek thing is a socialist plot to brainwash our children.

"I mean no one actually owns the ship, no one gets paid any money, everybody's 'equal'. And they've been flying up there for years and still haven't seen God yet. Karl Marx would have been proud Sean."

Coulter is known for her controversial views on race, and is the author of the recent book Mugged: Racial Demagoguery from the Seventies to Obama.

ADG

[Si]

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Ann Coulter...

Did you see this in the Daily Currant recently:





ADG

Fucking hell! I am laughing hard. Especially her reference to god, LMAO!

[Klen]

Originally Posted by Si

Fucking hell! I am laughing hard. Especially her reference to god, LMAO!

Funny,but it is satirical thing not real,it would be funnier if real.
There is one more also funny :
http://dailycurrant.com/2013/07/18/a...borhood-watch/

[OldJeff]

OK, not going to get into the content of the writing, far too complicated a subject to be summed up in a few paragraphs.

But if Ann is such the far right conservative shouldn't she STFU and wait for her husband to give her an opinion on the matter ?

[Best-In-BC]

White males, which of one I am, I swear are all half raciest and are too fucking dumb to realize they are.

[Rochard]

Did it ever occur to anyone that people were locking their doors not because they were of a certain color, but because they of a certain age and don't look like a model citizen?

I live in a very white town, and I've locked my car doors any time I feel remotely uncomfortable. In fact, I lock my doors when I am in a neighborhood that makes me feel uncomfortable - Just a smart thing to do.

[ThunderBalls]

Originally Posted by OldJeff

OK, not going to get into the content of the writing, far too complicated a subject to be summed up in a few paragraphs.

But if Ann is such the far right conservative shouldn't she STFU and wait for her husband to give her an opinion on the matter ?

She is her own husband.

[Captain Kawaii]

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Ann Coulter...

Did you see this in the Daily Currant recently:





ADG

Thats some funny shit.

[Captain Kawaii]

Anyone have proof her article references are fabrications? Its easy to target a media personality you do not like. I've never liked her personally. I do wonder how she can come up with these references to national news though. Obviously fabricated right?

[Captain Kawaii]

Originally Posted by deltav

Jesus christ. What is it with this board and "I'm not a racist, buuut...." type racists?

I hang out at a lot of other forums & whatever, and nowhere else comes even remotely close to beating this dead horse into the ground as this place.

Far as "provide a counter-source of facts", wtf are you expecting??? This is an OP ED written at a 6th-grade reading comprehension level by someone widely known to be a rabble-rousing asshole.

So someone posting a fact laden article about a subject currently making the rounds of news, media and talkshows asking for a well-reasoned response is a racist. If I'm a racist you are a certified dumbass.

Porn is on life support. Too few people here who actually do business not involving stealing other peoples content or providing AD networks for same. I visit plenty of porn forums and most if not all are DOA.

[CaptainHowdy]

Links pulled ...

[deltav]

Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii

So someone posting a fact laden article about a subject currently making the rounds of news, media and talkshows asking for a well-reasoned response is a racist. If I'm a racist you are a certified dumbass.

Porn is on life support. Too few people here who actually do business not involving stealing other peoples content or providing AD networks for same. I visit plenty of porn forums and most if not all are DOA.

"Fact laden"? It's a few cherry-picked anecdotes put together by Ann fucking Coulter.

And I was being a little facetious using the term "racist" in that earlier post, but it is a pattern here - someone posts "just the facts" and then links to an article or just their own opinion that's usually full of over-simplified distortions or hand-selected data points tailor made to back up their own beliefs on race. Often the subtext being 'black people are whiny/stupid/spoiled/violent/lazy/etc'. And then the more overt bigots usually show up in the comments. I could link to countless examples of this here but anyone could find a bunch in 2 minutes of browsing because they've been all over the fucking place lately.

Again, I frequent forums on all sorts of topics - adult, sports, science, music, etc - and GFY is by far the most fixated on race. I'm not even a particularly PC person and am aware race & cultural relations are complex fucking issues, but a lot of the shit being thrown around on here is just soft bigotry and it got real old a while ago.

[Tom_PM]

Well, below the age of 5 the minority are the whites right now in America. It won't be long until.. nothing happens

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii

What I meant was, I would be interested to see if there was documented evidence she was lying about the facts, if the media was lying about the facts. Not much else, just bored. Apparently she speaks the truth.

The problem is the other end of her spectrum is filled with rabble-rousing assholes.

evidence of media tampering in the Zimmerman/martin case... that work for you?