If that was the case... Why did it go trial?

I never heard that he had a broken nose. If he did, wouldn't he have gone to the doctor?

I never heard that he went home. Is there any proof in that? Was the skittles and ice team at home, or on him? Wouldn't it make sense that if he was looking for a fight he would have dropped off his extra baggage at home first?

Rochard, everyone constantly thinks you're just trolling. First and foremost, you should consider that fact and consider why you are now relegated to "insane conspiracy theorist" by retreating to just posing questions and why people just can't believe you're serious with the insane shit you say.

You know why it went to trial. It went to trial because the governor (you know, the guy who oversaw the largest medicaid/medicare fraud in the history of the USA by his own company) appointed a special investigator... RATHER THAN GIVE THE EVIDENCE TO A GRAND JURY TO DETERMINE IF THERE IS SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE WHICH IS STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE and demanded the case be prosecuted

You are not part of the solution. You are delusional and confused and overly emotional, making arguments that rely heavily on twisting or omitting facts and evidence.

BTW>.. you never answered the question. Your daughter is walking home at night. She's meandering through others private property, she's being followed and knows it... she doesn't go home. She doesn't call the police. That individual then walks up to her, punches her in the face, knocks her down, starts beating on her AND YOUR ADVICE TO HER is that she lie there and hope for the best? Right? I mean, that all perfectly sums up how completely irrational you are.

Because the black shit disturbers and the lying media brought enough pressure on the Governor so he told his State Attorney General to do something. She did...and now she has to face a law suit...with possible disbarment and possible criminal charges.

I knew it!

http://2waystreetpolitics.com/wp-con...ate_small1.jpg

Looks like more than 3 simple streets to me

His girlfriend . . . yeah, you paid close attention alright. :1orglaugh

How come you did not testify in the trial? You act like you saw the whole thing.

Because of people like you. :2 cents:

That is because you did not watch the trial. At the trial a physician's assistant testified for the prosecution that in her opinion he had a broken nose. In addition she also testified that the injuries to his head...the cuts and the several swollen bumps...were consistent with having his head bashed against concrete.

This was a prosecution medical witness. BTW Zimmerman saw the physician's assistant the day after the incident.

Facts do not matter

In addition the defense put on their own expert...Dr. Vincent Di Maio...that also said Zimmerman had a broken nose.

Because of political agendas and high profile people who don't understand how the legal system works or are using the situation to further their personal agendas, and fuelled by the ignorance of people such as yourself who keep thumping their chests invoking gut feelings, hearsay and misinformation instead of looking at the evidence and facts.

But here, read up on it, although I doubt you will.
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Der...7/14/id/514957


http://nationalreview.com/article/35...rida-john-fund

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2...y-director-who

Funny how the only thing you hear is "Justice for Treyvon" and nobody talks about the politically-motivated witch hunt which violated Zimmerman's rights.

You think the justice department wants that can of worms?

I did watch the trial. I also watched the other doctor say that his injuries inconsistent with Zimmerman's story. When this happens, you look at the evidence. The photos that night show me that he had a fat lip with two very small cuts on the back of his head. Combined with the fact that Zimmerman did not see a doctor directly after shooting leads me to believe that he was barely hurt.

Another perspective.

It's really not difficult at all Baddog. It's three streets. More or less, one is a circle, one street goes (more or less) straight down that circle north to south, and another street that cross the circle west to east.

Zimmerman lived in this complex with three simple streets for how long, three years? And was a neighbor watch captain? And couldn't name one of three streets? Come on already...

I don't know if they were banging or not; She was a girl and she was his friend. If he wasn't banging her I'm sure he was trying to.

This is very typical of a self defense case - they don't immediately arrest someone and press charges. Eventually they did.

You really are delusional.
:2 cents:

Not only delusional... but bordering on what seems to be insane.

But yeah... obviously you watched the whole trial.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Shameful indeed :(

You watched a very small portion of it; in the beginning you admitted you were not watching it yourself. Your interpretation of the facts do not agree with the findings of the court.

Get used to it, you are wrong. :2 cents: :2 cents:

More or less 3 streets. You care to point out the testimony where he said he could not name any of the streets? Looking at the layout, do you not agree that in a place that large a street number might help?

Wait, I thought you said you watched the trial.

Since it is so typical it should not be difficult for you to list a number of examples.

Only video you need to watch (released 1 day before the verdict) about the case..


And AsianDivas.. Ron Paul and Rand Paul are two entirely different people politically speaking. Ron Paul ran as a republican in an attempt to slowly introduce ideas of anarchism/voluntaryism to society. Proof:



Is it an effective approach? It depends on what your definition of effective means. He wasn't effective in becoming president, but was that ever the true goal? He helped me transition from a republican, to a minarchist, ultimately to an anarchist/voluntaryist/anarcho-capitalist from the exposure he received being a senator. His position and campaigning has always been one of education.

And yes, I agree that the libertarian political movement is largely shit. The libertarian philosophy of non-aggression however, is not.

Every Paultard I talked to insisted actually being elected was not the goal.

Paultard, that's intelligent as fuck. You must be what, a Demorat? A republicunt?

.... Winner of todays most ironic post!

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Everything is going to be okay everybody.

I was watching CNN and on one of the panels of "experts" that they always have, a guy explained that President Obama is the "Educator In Chief" and the country can NOW have a "conversation" about race.

WTF???

I would THINK that black folks would be laughing their ass off at a "conversation" on race. I saw Rep. Bobby Rush who is the representative of Chicago talking about how they are going to solve the problem of black gangs killing blacks in Chicago. He's going to "solve" it by having the Black Caucus discuss ways to do it.
LOL!!!!
How about this Bobby Rush: Just put fucking cameras everywhere like other big cities do. Then actually send that small army (called the "police") into the fucking neighborhoods where all the crime is taking place.
"Talk", "Conversation", "Discuss", "Study". Fucking dumbass politicians. They already have a police force in Chicago. Tell them to start doing their jobs in the gang controlled neighborhoods instead of hiding in the "nice" neighborhoods giving out traffic tickets to soccer moms.

As for Obama: the two Presidents who oversaw the biggest change for black Americans were Abraham Lincoln...and Lyndon B. Johnson.

Don't know what prompted LBJ (an old redneck white Texan) to make giant steps forward for Civil Rights...maybe it was a way to try and take the heat off of himself for basically condemning over 50,000 young men to die in the senseless Vietnam War (a lot of them young black men by the way).

But now Pres. Obama...the greatest man alive on Earth...is the "Educator In Chief" and will instruct all of us on race relations.

Thank God! I was so worried. But now HE has come to save the day! The "Educator In Chief"

It was not "more or less three streets". It was exactly three streets.

How could he not know where he was? All he needed to do was look out his window and see the street number and he could quickly say "I am on Twin Trees outside of building 6 and the suspect was last seen heading east".

Because he was lying about that. The truth is he got out of his vehicle because the neighborhood watch is SUPPOSED to be on foot and he followed TM on foot so as to not lose sight of him.

But being a dumbass, he made up that stupid story.

Who knows why people say shit? Just like you exaggerated his age in your earlier posts and also denied saying he would have been a "hero" if he had just lay there and beat his ass...until I quoted you saying it.

See? People tell their story to make themselves look good and to suit their way of telling things.

Not even sure why you two are debating it. It's dumb.

He was on the Neighborhood Watch. He is supposed to be on foot and help protect the community. Not sit on his fat ass in his car (which he was doing). So getting out and following on foot is what he should be doing.

What the hell use is Neighborhood Watch anyway if they don't do their job?

If somebody is on Neighborhood Watch in my community, I want them on foot like they are supposed to be and I want them to call 911 and then keep the person in their line of site at all times so they can tell the cops where he is.

GZ's mistake is that HE didn't run when TM came after him to beat his ass.

Oh boy. You really try to grab any straw, however thin it might be, because demonizing Zimmerman is the only way to justify the baseless witch hunt the media mounted.

So Zimmerman "is a liar" because he was confused about where he was exactly. Sure, we can't assume that he was nervous, or that it was an overcast night.

Oh no, "he lied about that, therefore he lied about EVERYTHING".

Yet when Martin's school record is brought up (getting suspended, being in trouble) or his twitter account (NOLIMITNIGGA), or the pictures found in his cellphone of him holding a gun, or pot smoking, then "it's just kid stuff".

How very convenient.

Apparently that I was being sarcastic, using his etiquette against him went over your head. ;)

Plus, if it is so small of an area, why did Zimmerman have to follow TM for what 15 minutes? 12? 18? I don't know exactly the amount of time, but I would think the store was Closer, and the entrance of the gated housing addition close to TM house. I guess he wanted to walk in the rain and eat skittles, maybe looking for something to do... or take at a later date.

We can ALL make up what we want to believe in our minds, like Rochard is doing.

:1orglaugh So, in your mind he knew what was going to happen in Nam before we really got involved.

That guy just never got enough credit.

zimmerman was not racist, but he was still a murderer.

Trayvon was a racist and it got him killed.

I didn't say anything about anything "in my mind". Not sure why you are trying to insult me by criticizing my thought processes. They've served me well and made me very successful in my life so far thank you very much.

I very clearly pointed out he was under INTENSE pressure over the Vietnam War.
He was looking for anything to take the focus off of it.

I'm theorizing that perhaps Civil Rights was one of the ways he tried to shift the focus of the media away from Vietnam.

If so, it didn't work. I assume you know that he declined to run for a second elected term as President and that the Democrat nominee in 1968 (Humphey) was saddled with the Vietnam War as a "Democrat War" (kinda like Republicans and Bush in 2008 and 2012 with the Iraq War)

Nixon won as an anti-war candidate and history was changed (can you say "war on drugs"?)

Anyway, you are TOTALLY missing my point: Idiots on television news calling Obama the "Educator In Chief" on race relations is a joke in my opinion. LBJ (white, redneck, cowboy, from Texas) did more for blacks than Obama has ever, ever done.
That was my point.

And my point was that LBJ's Civil Rights Act was in 1964. There were less than 300 KIA's in 64. There was no focus on Nam in 64 . . . unfortunately.

Is anyone here familiar with the term ad nauseum?

His trainer testified he was at 12 percent bodyfat, when this happened so no fat ass involved. You are supposed to call the police nothing more nothing less.

He was still being lazy. Neighborhood Watch is supposed to be on foot patrolling the neighborhood.
He did call the police. And he didn't do anything wrong by following the guy to keep him in line of site.

The shit hit the fan when TM got pissed and went back to beat GZ's ass.
Unfortunately that's what a lot of young men full of hormones and feeling indestructible will do.

I possibly would have done the exact same thing when I was that age. I can't say for certain because I was kind of unpredictable as a teenager. Teen boys can be very dangerous and very destructive.

GZ is also a relatively young man. And I guess the testosterone was flowing and he thought he could handle it.

With 20/20 hindsight, he should have stepped back or ran and kept plenty of distance between himself and TM.
But how many of us guys would act like pussies and run away from another man?

I'm guessing not many of us.

And TM and GZ felt that way too...no way that either man was going to run like a little bitch.

The difference is that GZ as neighborhood watch was keeping a guy in sight waiting on the cops. He had no intention of "catching him".
TM, on the other hand was intent on confronting this guy who is following him and pissing him off.

And we all know what happened next.

But all talk of GZ getting out of his car is just ridiculous.

He is SUPPOSED to be on foot. Neighborhood watch isn't supposed to be a leisurely drive through the neighborhood with the air turned on and listening to tunes. lol

It's supposed to be on FOOT and the actual site of neighborhood watch guys walking the neighborhood is supposed to help as a deterrent.

He should have had another person with him as well, and they both should have been walking around the neighborhood.

The fact that is was raining may explain why he was alone and in a car. I don't know.

It's just a sad situation and I feel bad for TM's mom.

But I'm not wanting the federal govt. to start stepping in and going after people. Even if you think it's "justified" to do it for one case...it sets precedence.
A man was found "Not Guilty" and acquitted.

That should be it. Done. Even if black people don't like the verdict.

To think that the President can single a guy out and tell the DOJ to get him is something that we don't want in our country.
It is the exact opposite of the ideals of how our country is supposed to work.

The fact that this is just another example of the perversion of it by politicians is sadly becoming all too common.

EDIT: And think back to the mid 1990's. OJ is found Not Guilty. Majority of white people are outraged. Majority of blacks were happy. Remember the big black celebrations in the streets??? Didn't see any Hispanic or "White/Hispanic" street celebrations after the Zimmerman verdict did you?
Another thing you didn't see...You didn't see President Clinton go on television as "the Educator In Chief" and try to "calm" (or incite through race baiting) the white people in the country and have a "conversation" on race.
And Clinton didn't tell the DOJ to go after OJ either.

That's because Bill Clinton was a good President.
Obama is the first black President which makes him historical...and allows him to get away with damn near anything.

He did not say 12% body fat. You are lying.

You have zero clue what 12% body fat even looks like. He'd have abs starting to show at 12%.

I listened to his entire testimony and he was not specific and he testified that he did not do a body fat analysis at all, nor did they track his weight loss or body composition in any way.

It's fucking retarded that you think the guy who said "he lost probably 50-80 pounds" which is a wild guess, then somehow also said "his body fat % is 12%" which is VERY specific. If you think thats even remotely possible, you can't possibly understand what body fat numbers look like.

Zimmerman started at 250 or so and lost 50-80 pounds. He has no real lean muscle mass and he's 5'7. On top of that, he'd be losing muscle as he lost fat... meaning to get to 12% body fat, he'd probably be weighing something like ~150/160 lbs. Not 200lbs.

You are making that up.

His trainer did nothing but call him a soft, fat, weak, incompetent pussy who wasn't athletic and who was extremely distraught at what happened.

Further, as for the "your supposed to...". Uhm... the court, the judge, the witnesses for the defense, the investigating detectives, the police chief, the state prosecutor AND A JURY OF MOMS did not and agree with you as you are just presenting opinion as fact.