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SilentKnight 07-16-2013 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19720523)
that's funny, that form of judgement can be applied to people doing BDSM.. and is..

And look...BDSMers are rioting in the streets, too.

_Richard_ 07-16-2013 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SilentKnight (Post 19720595)
And look...BDSMers are rioting in the streets, too.

reap what you sow

johnnyloadproductions 07-16-2013 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 19720568)
One of the problems, however, is that if you are black you will have to deal with those stereotypes your entire life even if they don't apply to you.

Yep, and as a culture if you don't like that, knock it off.

Listen to the video below with Adam on stereotypes, completely true.
Stereotypes stick, because they are true.

It may not be fair to the individual, but that's the way it is.
You can really lower the discrimination if you dress nice, and don't have the bad mannerisms.


rogueteens 07-16-2013 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dawg (Post 19720328)
Historically, whites have all other races beat when it comes to crimes (VIOLENT and non violent) committed.

Christianity, king leopold, slavery, American Indians. Step back and look at your past and see how it affected your present.

LOLOLOLOL! you don't know your history at all!

rogueteens 07-16-2013 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by davethedope (Post 19720508)
Blacks were denied access to education and free market capitalism from the industrial revolution through the 1950's by slavery and institutionalized racism.

The black issue was not as simple as saying they should have just worked harder.

what is their excuse in countries where this didn't happen then?

mikesinner 07-16-2013 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcus Aurelius (Post 19720169)
Blacks comprise 13% of the population but commit 70% of all violent crimes. (per FBI stat.)

It's not about white racism, it's about blacks committing crimes at much higher rates than whites.

Profiling based on facts is not racist.

The old stereotype of crossing the road to avoid passing black "youth" is rational since he is 5 times more likely to murder you and 3 to 4 times more likely to mug you than a white or Asian.

Cross reference those stats with education and income statistics and you see why its this way. Blacks are much poorer and less educated than whites.

Of course you can't expect a white dominated political system to do anything about this. If they actually gave black people the same opportunities as whites they might start making more money and then we would have a %25 black population like we did back in slave days, can't have that now.

davethedope 07-16-2013 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by rogueteens (Post 19720657)
what is their excuse in countries where this didn't happen then?

Are you asking about their attitude in Britain for instance?

And it's not an excuse as much as it is a historical reality. Poverty and the forces of impoverishment are real.

They've been pretty much exploited across the board, even in Africa.

The population number is what is of significance with regard to the US during the time period I indicated.

mineistaken 07-16-2013 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcus Aurelius (Post 19720169)
Blacks comprise 13% of the population but commit 70% of all violent crimes. (per FBI stat.)

It's not about white racism, it's about blacks committing crimes at much higher rates than whites.

Profiling based on facts is not racist.

The old stereotype of crossing the road to avoid passing black "youth" is rational since he is 5 times more likely to murder you and 3 to 4 times more likely to mug you than a white or Asian.

Can't argue with facts.

Unless you are stupid. And we know that stupidity is a little bit common.

By the way it should be more than 3-4-5 times more likely. I mean whites compose like 5 times more population than blacks PLUS they make at least 2 times less crimes (less than 30% if blacks make 70%). Meaning it would be like 10 times more likely, not just 3-4-5. At least 10 times... maybe 15? 20?
Correct me if my caltulations are wrong, but it does not look so...

kane 07-16-2013 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by johnnyloadproductions (Post 19720640)
Yep, and as a culture if you don't like that, knock it off.

Listen to the video below with Adam on stereotypes, completely true.
Stereotypes stick, because they are true.

It may not be fair to the individual, but that's the way it is.
You can really lower the discrimination if you dress nice, and don't have the bad mannerisms.


If you walk around acting like a gangster and dressing in pants that hang down to your ass while talking like Lil Wayne, then you are part of the reason the stereotype exists and people will stereotype you so long as you act that way.

If you dress nice, act nice and are a decent person who is well spoken and treats people with respect, things will be better for you, but it still exists. My friend is a nurse, she doesn't hang around bad people and she herself will admit that many black people play right into the stereotypes, but she still feels the brunt of it partially because many people are either deep down racists (and may not even know it), or they hold a racial bias (and may not even know it), or they are unable to see black people as individuals (and may not even know it).

There is zero reason anyone who meets my friend should assume she is anything but a nice person. She dresses well, has a great job, lives in a nice neighborhood and treats people with respect. She is well spoken and intelligent. If you spend five minutes with her you will see that. Still, many people see her skin color and automatically assume things about her. She can't change the entire community. She is changing it in a passive way by leaving it and not participating in that crap, but there are still plenty of people who will stereotype her simply because they are unable to do anything else.

24/7 Blogging Crew 07-16-2013 05:44 PM

fiddy crackers

24/7 Blogging Crew 07-16-2013 05:45 PM

fiddy racists on gfy

kane 07-16-2013 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcus Aurelius (Post 19720169)
Blacks comprise 13% of the population but commit 70% of all violent crimes. (per FBI stat.)

It's not about white racism, it's about blacks committing crimes at much higher rates than whites.

Profiling based on facts is not racist.

The old stereotype of crossing the road to avoid passing black "youth" is rational since he is 5 times more likely to murder you and 3 to 4 times more likely to mug you than a white or Asian.

Where did you get this number?

According to this page for 2011 there were about 9.5 million arrests made in the us for various crimes. Of those 2.7 million were black people. That is about 28%

mineistaken 07-16-2013 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 19720680)
Where did you get this number?

According to this page for 2011 there were about 9.5 million arrests made in the us for various crimes. Of those 2.7 million were black people. That is about 28%

He was speaking about violent crimes, not various crimes.

L-Pink 07-16-2013 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by 24/7 Blogging Crew (Post 19720676)
fiddy racists on gfy

Hey chris, why don't you fuck off?

Screwing forum members under various nics isn't considered contributing.

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mikesinner 07-16-2013 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcus Aurelius (Post 19720169)
Blacks comprise 13% of the population but commit 70% of all violent crimes. (per FBI stat.)

It's not about white racism, it's about blacks committing crimes at much higher rates than whites.

Profiling based on facts is not racist.

The old stereotype of crossing the road to avoid passing black "youth" is rational since he is 5 times more likely to murder you and 3 to 4 times more likely to mug you than a white or Asian.

That comes out to about 5 times the crime rate for blacks Vs whites and guess what, whites are 5 times richer than blacks in America, kind of lets the air out of your statistics doesn't it?

johnnyloadproductions 07-16-2013 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by mikesinner (Post 19720689)
That comes out to about 5 times the crime rate for blacks Vs whites and guess what, whites are 5 times richer than blacks in America, kind of lets the air out of your statistics doesn't it?

Mike, as I know from your previous thread, you seem to be under a lot of financial strain. Have you committed a crime lately? Probably not.

mineistaken 07-16-2013 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by mikesinner (Post 19720689)
That comes out to about 5 times the crime rate for blacks Vs whites and guess what, whites are 5 times richer than blacks in America, kind of lets the air out of your statistics doesn't it?

Nope. As I posted already, if those numbers are correct, it would come to AT LEAST 10 times crime rate because there are like 5 times more whites than blacks PLUS they commit at least 2 times less crimes (100%-70%). So there is at least 10 times, not 5 times crime rate... And it maybe even 15, 20 times crime rate because our of those 30% there are also latino, asian crime..

Again - if numbers posted by OP are correct.

L-Pink 07-16-2013 06:02 PM

When I go to dinner I don't care about the color of the owner, chef, bartender, or waitress.
When I owned retail stores I hired based on the applicants ability to do the job and make me money, not color.

My favorite actors are black.
My favorite athletes are black.
My favorite musicians are black.
My favorite comedians are black.

I don't think I'm prejudiced. I don't wake up hating anyone, wishing anyone harm or bad luck.

But ???.

Why is it when I see black youths walking down the street I view most of them with apprehension?
Why is it when other ethnic youths walk down the street I don't?
Why have black women decided it's unimportant no one can spell or pronounce their children's names?

Why has the current black culture gone out of their way to portray themselves as thugs?
Why do black youth dress and act like thugs?
Why is being uneducated cool?
Why are song lyrics about killing and raping cool?

Why does it seem the black culture goes out of the way not to be part of "society"?
Why are attitude, gangs, drugs and broken families the accepted norm?

Who the hell thought having Al Sharpton represent the black community was a positive thing?

Some of us try, we really do. But God Dammit help us out a little! OK?


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davethedope 07-16-2013 06:04 PM

So many pornographers concerned with morality.

I think this middle-class strivers mentality being demonstrated proves that most people can't appreciate just how rich, rich people are.

They have some sense of it, but choose to ignore the stark reality of powerlessness

kane 07-16-2013 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 19720683)
He was speaking about violent crimes, not various crimes.

If you use that same page and just look at the violent crimes it is still nowhere near 75%.

There was a story this week that the police chief in New York said 75% of violent crimes in New York are committed by black people. I wonder if that might be what he is referring to.

mineistaken 07-16-2013 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 19720705)
If you use that same page and just look at the violent crimes it is still nowhere near 75%.

There was a story this week that the police chief in New York said 75% of violent crimes in New York are committed by black people. I wonder if that might be what he is referring to.

Good catch. Although crimes rates from OP are still correct.
Take murder numbers. 50% committed by blacks, 50% by whites. There are 5 times more whites than blacks so here you go, 5 times the crime rate as OP states.

ps: Where are latinos, I assume they are in "white" column? Well that "pollutes" white numbers, meaning that actual crime rate would be way more than 5 times.

ps: OP states 70%, not 75%, not that it matter here, just saying.

kane 07-16-2013 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 19720716)
Good catch. Although crimes rates from OP are still correct.
Take murder numbers. 50% committed by blacks, 50% by whites. There are 5 times more whites than blacks so here you go, 5 times the crime rate as OP states.

ps: Where are latinos, I assume they are in "white" column? Well that "pollutes" white numbers, meaning that actual crime rate would be way more than 5 times.

ps: OP states 70%, not 75%, not that it matter here, just saying.

I'm not sure where Latinos fall. They sure aren't on the list so they must be getting included in one of the other groups.

Still, the OP said, "Blacks comprise 13% of the population but commit 70% of all violent crimes. (per FBI stat.) "

That simply is not the case based on these numbers. In some cases they might commit a much higher percentage of the crimes per person than whites, but they are not committing 75 % of the violent crimes.

mineistaken 07-16-2013 06:34 PM

Again, Op said 70% not 75%. Again, not that it matters, just saying.
Anyway, lets wait till OP shows up with explanation regarding those 70%.

kane 07-16-2013 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 19720737)
Again, Op said 70% not 75%. Again, not that it matters, just saying.
Anyway, lets wait till OP shows up with explanation regarding those 70%.

Not sure why I keep writing 75% when I do actually intend to write 70%. My brain must be shorting out tonight.

mineistaken 07-16-2013 06:43 PM

You think of those NYC stats, most likely :)

azpoindexter 07-16-2013 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by 24/7 Blogging Crew (Post 19720676)
fiddy racists on gfy


Funniest part is that you post racist and or idiotic things every day I have been on here. I can't seem to go to a post or make a post without seeing something stupid from you. The craziest part is that for all the racist (against whites and blacks) stuff you post you look as white as me but side with your black ancectery. Does all this come from some sort of self hate and racial confusion? Your mom is white, your dad is black, your two kids look even whiter. Does the shit you post, like the nigga video that got blackmonsters banned even cross your mind when you go to visit your cousins like kamua or tanya. What would cedron think? End of the day, it obviously doesn't bother you and you will just keep trolling and apparently scamming, but you are hating on your own people on both sides of your family.

azpoindexter 07-16-2013 07:25 PM

ancestry

HeadPimp 07-16-2013 07:44 PM

Amen! You don't see me rolling around in a jacked up truck with mudders, spitting chaw. I come from white trash land but you won't catch me perpetuating the stereotype. Hell I won't even drink Coors Light! LOL

If you want to be respected, then you have to act like you are worth respect. It won't help with everyone, but it will go a long ways towards changing things.


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Originally Posted by kane (Post 19720672)
If you walk around acting like a gangster and dressing in pants that hang down to your ass while talking like Lil Wayne, then you are part of the reason the stereotype exists and people will stereotype you so long as you act that way.

If you dress nice, act nice and are a decent person who is well spoken and treats people with respect, things will be better for you, but it still exists. My friend is a nurse, she doesn't hang around bad people and she herself will admit that many black people play right into the stereotypes, but she still feels the brunt of it partially because many people are either deep down racists (and may not even know it), or they hold a racial bias (and may not even know it), or they are unable to see black people as individuals (and may not even know it).

There is zero reason anyone who meets my friend should assume she is anything but a nice person. She dresses well, has a great job, lives in a nice neighborhood and treats people with respect. She is well spoken and intelligent. If you spend five minutes with her you will see that. Still, many people see her skin color and automatically assume things about her. She can't change the entire community. She is changing it in a passive way by leaving it and not participating in that crap, but there are still plenty of people who will stereotype her simply because they are unable to do anything else.


Minte 07-16-2013 07:53 PM

Madison is not the hotbed for racial unrest.. The community has a large minority population that never has issues. The common denominator is education. Every black man and woman that I know has at least a bachelors degree. They have real families, children that have two parents in their lives.

Marcus Aurelius 07-16-2013 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 19720309)
yeah its not racist. targeting a single race is not racism!

Why do facts make you so upset?

Marcus Aurelius 07-16-2013 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by mikesinner (Post 19720689)
That comes out to about 5 times the crime rate for blacks Vs whites and guess what, whites are 5 times richer than blacks in America, kind of lets the air out of your statistics doesn't it?


No it doesn't.

The ones stealing and murdering are doing well until they get caught or get dead.
Food stamps and low or no housing costs remove reasons for crimes of stealing and there is no reason to murder or attack someone unless self defense of you or others.
That poverty shit with crime may have been true a hundred years ago in "can I have more sir" times but not today.
That gangsta nowadays has rims that would pay a few house notes or rent for a summer.
People were poorer during the depression and they didn't get like this.
You Sir, are guilty of making excuses.

Marcus Aurelius 07-16-2013 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 19720705)
If you use that same page and just look at the violent crimes it is still nowhere near 75%.

There was a story this week that the police chief in New York said 75% of violent crimes in New York are committed by black people. I wonder if that might be what he is referring to.


When you analyze the statistics, the results are very illuminating...

Blacks comprise about 13% of the US population
Half are females, so it's down to roughly 6.5%
Black males between the ages of 0-12 reduce the percentage even further.
Black males over the age of 45 don't commit that much crime, either
A large number of black men are incarcerated in the penal system-they aren't out committing crimes

So, the huge amount of violent crime attributable to blacks in this country is overwhelmingly committed by an age cohort (13-44) of black men that can't be even 2.5% of the population.

kane 07-16-2013 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Minte (Post 19720807)
Madison is not the hotbed for racial unrest.. The community has a large minority population that never has issues. The common denominator is education. Every black man and woman that I know has at least a bachelors degree. They have real families, children that have two parents in their lives.

This is a good point. Education and opportunity go a long ways towards a person's future.

A few years back I watched this pair documentaries about gangs in Little Rock, Arkansas. The first movie was mostly about a guy who had just gotten out of jail after 15 years. He was a gang member when he went in and he was trying to start a program to get kids out of gangs. As he and the filmmakers talked to these kids it was crazy. Many of them were 10-15 years old and they had already given up on life. They just assumed they would be in a gang and either end up in jail or dead. The idea of getting a job at McDonalds or somewhere similar, getting an education and getting out of the cycle was a crazy to them as if you had told them to fly to Mars. Their parents were/are in the system and in gangs so are their brothers and sisters so will they be. It is like many of them don't even care to break the cycle.

At the same time there was one kid the guy helped who got a job, stayed in school then went away to college.

The second movie took place 10 years later. Many of the gang members were still in the gangs, others were dead or in jail and nothing had changed. That one guy had gotten a degree and was now working as an accountant in some large company. He made a good living, got married and had a kid and had a great future ahead of him. When the filmmakers tried to use him as an example to these other kids that you can get out and have a good life they immediately put the other guy down. He was an Uncle Tom or they considered him some kind of race traitor because he got a job and is living a normal life. He is "working for the man."

It was sad, depression, mind boggling and infuriating at the same time.

Meanwhile, I grew up in a small redneck town. We were very poor when I was a kid, but my mom made sure we went to school and told us all the time that we can achieve great things in our lives if we try and we work hard. We grew up feeling like we could go somewhere.

kane 07-16-2013 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcus Aurelius (Post 19720834)
When you analyze the statistics, the results are very illuminating...

Blacks comprise about 13% of the US population
Half are females, so it's down to roughly 6.5%
Black males between the ages of 0-12 reduce the percentage even further.
Black males over the age of 45 don't commit that much crime, either
A large number of black men are incarcerated in the penal system-they aren't out committing crimes

So, the huge amount of violent crime attributable to blacks in this country is overwhelmingly committed by an age cohort (13-44) of black men that can't be even 2.5% of the population.

I don't doubt that black males are committing a larger than normal (even much larger than normal) amount of crimes. I am simply saying that they are not committing 70% of the crimes. The numbers just don't add up.

Major (Tom) 07-16-2013 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcus Aurelius (Post 19720169)
Blacks comprise 13% of the population but commit 70% of all violent crimes. (per FBI stat.)

It's not about white racism, it's about blacks committing crimes at much higher rates than whites.

Profiling based on facts is not racist.

The old stereotype of crossing the road to avoid passing black "youth" is rational since he is 5 times more likely to murder you and 3 to 4 times more likely to mug you than a white or Asian.

more disturbing stats on www.blackonblackcrime.com :( it's unfortunate...
Duke

Google Expert 07-17-2013 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 19720921)
This is a good point. Education and opportunity go a long ways towards a person's future.

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Originally Posted by mikesinner
Cross reference those stats with education and income statistics and you see why its this way. Blacks are much poorer and less educated than whites.

WEST VIRGINIA:

Lowest crime rate in America.
Almost the lowest per capita income.
Population: 95% White, 3.2% Black


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Originally Posted by mikesinner
Of course you can't expect a white dominated political system to do anything about this. If they actually gave black people the same opportunities as whites they might start making more money

You got to be shitting me. Blacks get more opportunities in the form of government handouts and affirmative action than any other racial group in the country.

You apologists are running out of excuses but don't want to face up to facts.

Captain Kawaii 07-17-2013 01:03 AM

Been a lot of analysts, professors and people with advanced degrees, all people of color on the pundit shows last couple days. Most of them are as white as I am intellectually and culturally. They all suggest that racism is restricted to whites only.

what I would like to see would be a panel made up of Trayvon's peers, his friends from Miami, the nude girls in the cell pics, you know, people he hung out with. I'd like to hear what they have to say. See his "Crew" and such. His parents and their friends.

Fun would be to have a debate between Trayvon's crew and the pundits with Tavis Smiley moderating.

You get my points?

L-Pink made some solid points earlier about favorite artists and workers vs who we are confronted with on the street. Ditto for me. A prime example today was the LA city hall protest vs last nights Crenshaw protest.

Captain Kawaii 07-17-2013 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Getsu (Post 19721061)
WEST VIRGINIA:

Lowest crime rate in America.
Almost the lowest per capita income.
Population: 95% White, 3.2% Black



You got to be shitting me. Blacks get more opportunities in the form of government handouts and affirmative action than any other racial group in the country.

You apologists are running out of excuses but don't want to face up to facts.

I had some properties in downtown Charleston, SC. Transitional neighborhood. A black worker asked me what did white people expect black people to do when the gov gave them housing for 10-17$ a month. A MONTH!

I said, I would take advantage of it, work like hell, get school, even ICDC College schools and get the hell out. He had no idea what the hell I was talking about. Crime became so bad they had to call in state and feds to help clean up. Its still a shithole.

Funny thing is, mexicans/latinos moved in and prospered. People from all over US moved in...and prospered. Many prospered except...

There is no personal responsibility anymore. Sadly evident in American culture now and getting worse.

Major (Tom) 07-17-2013 01:22 AM

The problem is simple. Anyone in an impoverished neighborhood needs to stop having kids. Some people think kids give them hope. I disagree. It doesn't take an anthropologist to see the results of over breeding in the hood. It's simple supply & demand. Kids demand money. If the supply isn't there to feed that demand, & the demand is exponentially growing, then there is a fundamental problem with that ideology. This may sound a tad harsh but people should have to meet a specific required criteria in order to get a "breeding pass."
Duke

kane 07-17-2013 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Getsu (Post 19721061)
WEST VIRGINIA:

Lowest crime rate in America.
Almost the lowest per capita income.
Population: 95% White, 3.2% Black



You got to be shitting me. Blacks get more opportunities in the form of government handouts and affirmative action than any other racial group in the country.

You apologists are running out of excuses but don't want to face up to facts.

Government handouts are not opportunity. You could make the argument that they actually help to keep the cycle of poverty and crime alive and well.


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