kronic

Absolutely ZERO chance Zimmerman takes the stand. He doesn't need to. Unless it's a jury made up exclusively of Martin family members or idiot GFY members (the latter of which is EASILY possible), there's simply no way he gets convicted. The only thing he could possibly accomplish by taking the stand is slipping up and making the prosecution look somewhat competent...something they haven't been able to do on their own.

The only real question remaining is will the forthcoming riots start with a few random idiots, or just one (Al Sharpton) opening his mouth and inciting them. And will they be comparable to the Rodney King acquittals.

It would be nice to see the black community acknowledge that maybe this wasn't as clear cut a case of murder as it was made out to be.

Rochard

I will in fact continue to crucify him. I'm sorry, he got punched in the face, end of story. It wasn't life threatening, and there was no proof Martin even knew he had a firearm no less reached for it.

I do not believe that Zimmerman had the legal right to kill someone because he got punched in the face. Again, if we started shooting people every time a punch was thrown, we would have piles of dead bodies.

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Rochard

I found it most interesting that Zimmerman had a personal trainer that was teaching him how to box...

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baddog

Translation: Facts mean nothing to me; only my opinion matters.

Did you listen to the testimony?

_Richard_

so if it was a 'white kid' who died, you'd feel the same way?

kronic

Absolutely. Race doesn't mean shit to me.

kronic

Pretty much summed it up right there.

I think you pretty much answered your own question...

Rochard

Fact: Zimmerman was punched.
Fact: Zimmerman was not punched twenty-five times.
Fact: No one saw Martin go for the gun.
Fact: No one knows if Martin knew Zimmerman had a gun.
Fact: Zimmerman shot Martin.
Fact: Zimmerman killed Martin.

I watched some of it today, it was utterly stupid. The owner of the gym told us Zimmeran was "not athletic" and "soft" and "not a good fighter". Well, duh.

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TheSquealer

I can guess that you didn't find it interesting that the same guy spent an hour in the stand testifying as to how meek, timid, mild, soft and weak and thoroughly unskilled Zimmerman was? Or that he was absolutely nowhere near actually even exchanging shots with someone with gloves on, under close supervision? Or that he testified that Zimmerman had zero ability to defend himself once Martin was on top in a full mount position and swinging away?

kronic

Don't be silly. Cherry picking "facts" is MUCH more relevant than context.

TheSquealer

People keep calling him an mma fighter with an aggressive personality - funny how the prosecutor never went there. Almost as if it has no basis in fact ????

Every witness testified that he's a great guy and pillar of the community and it had yet to be refuted by the prosecution

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_Richard_

rightly so.

i hope the "black community" hears your pleas.

mikesouth

FACT those are the only two things that matter and if the first is true then the second is according to Florida law, perfectly legal.

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Rochard

So now any time someone punches I can shoot them? Outstanding.

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baddog

Yet you thought it was important enough to mention that Zimmerman had a personal trainer that was teaching him how to box.

If you move to FL; you may not be aware, but not all states have the same laws.

Rochard

I understand they are trying to portray Zimmerman as "soft" and "unable to defend himself", and they accomplished that. However, at the same, it just reinforces exactly what I think Zimmerman is - a meek, timid, mild, soft and weak man who thought he was a much bigger man than he really was only because he had a firearm.

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TheSquealer

They are not "trying" - they are doing it without challenge of the prosecution who simply has absolutely nothing by a couple recorded comments in a 311 call where he's attempting to distort the meaning (also well challenged by witness's for the defense)

It's never difficult to prove an asshole is an asshole. Prosecution is miles away from proving he meets the burden of proof when it comes to being of a deprived mind acting out of hatred, Ill will, etc

That's all fine and well. It's 100% pure speculation that is not supported by fact, not found in evidence and not supported in eyewitness testimony and is definitely something that isn't being proven in court. Your own statement above says he's not guilty of 2nd degree murder under Florida statutes.

_Richard_

bad news for the 'zimmerman camp'

http://www.chicagonow.com/fresh-n-si...is-system-too/


lets review.

THC causes desires for:

1. Skittles
2. Ice Tea

Adderall:
which is taken primarily for attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, can cause aggressiveness, delusions, hostility, anxiety and depression

Temazepam:
which is taken for insomnia can cause anxiety, hallucination, fatigue, nervousness, dizziness, and aggressiveness.

vdbucks

You act as if this is some new discovery or something... The garbage article you linked was from over a year ago, so if it was truly "bad news for the 'zimmerman camp'" then the prosecution would be running with it like there's no tomorrow.

The simple FACT -- you know, those things you guys keep ignoring -- is that he was prescribed the medication, but there is zero proof that said medications were in his system at the time of the shooting.

_Richard_

no proof except for the medical records?

are you saying these medications don't have those side affects if they're prescribed?

vdbucks

Ahem... medical records only prove he was prescribed the medication. Medical records do not prove that he was on them that night.

And no, medications do not have side effects if they're prescribed if you're not taking them.

And once again, the burden of proof is on the prosecution. And just like everything else they cannot prove, they can't prove he had those medications in his system on that night.

It's not about what you know, want to believe or think happened... it's about what can be proven. Plain and simple.

_Richard_

what i know, is the defense stated 'toxicology reports' so many times, i just discovered what 'the white guy' was on..

i love these warning labels:

Do we have medical research into what happens if both these drugs are taken at the same time?

_Richard_

best info i can find without barely any searching is 'legal speed'

anyone around who can confirm?

TheSquealer

He's also so ignorant about what he's spouting off about that he doesn't know it was the defense that want Martins toxicology report admitted.

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vdbucks

I'm actually surprised Richard and Rochard aren't the star witnesses for the prosecution... Seems they had front row seats to the entire incident.

_Richard_

the defense wants Martins' toxicology report admitted?

right right.. sorry

'porch monkeys'

that better?

TheSquealer

They had to have a special hearing and argue to have it admitted and did so successfully against the arguments of the prosecution.

Carry on genius ....

vdbucks

just... lol. So much for being an expert eh?



What exactly is this supposed to imply?

mikesouth

In Florida Yes! That simple.

the more I watch this the more I realize its just a show for the media to race bait it. Bringing out the worst on both sides, Stand your ground is law, its that simple if you dont like the law repeal it.

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theking

You are not only one of the most ignorant on this board but you are also just plumb dumb.

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_Richard_

oddly enough, it did more damage before it was admitted.. ie (toxiology report said 25x in one speech)

so a win for the prosecution?

Did i say i was? are you?

yes you feel the need to repeat that. heard you the first time.

so if you say it again, that questions YOUR intelligence, yes?

vdbucks

You certainly continue to talk as if you are the sole expert on the case...

As for me, if you bothered to read it -- which I doubt -- I gave my opinion on what I think in regards to the incident exactly one time.

The rest has simply been discussing facts, or lack thereof. Unlike you, Rochard and a few others, I haven't pretended that I know what happened.

_Richard_

while i apologize for your perception, you will agree it has very little to do with me.

I posted a link regarding the drugs Zimmerman had been taking/prescribed/whatever, which has a long list of warnings about changes in behaviour, entirely centered on aggressiveness, anxiety, and delusion.

If that suddenly makes me an expert, id be the first to disagree.

_Richard_

unless your a minority

or a woman.

Trend

Come on guys .. I hope the "medication info is bad for GZ" comments were meant as sarcasm?

If not, this is quite honestly HILLARIOUS!

1. You are comparing prescription medications against a drug that is illegal in the state of FL.

2. All any brain dead attorney would have to do is call a pharmacist to the stand and they would rattle off THOUSANDS of prescription meds that have the same possible side effects. Have you never listened to a RX commercial on TV?

3. Adderall is used to treat narcolepsy and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD).

4. Temazepam is benzodiazepine typically used to treat insomnia and anxiety.

5. IF THC were listed as a prescription medication by the FDA it would carry ( at a minimum ) the following adverse side effects according to the US Government. Not saying I agree with these but they would be listed.

Memory Loss: A recent study of marijuana users who began using in adolescence revealed a profound deficit in connections between brain areas responsible for learning and memory. And a large prospective study (following individuals across time) showed that people who began smoking marijuana heavily in their teens lost as much as 8 points in IQ between age 13 and age 38; importantly, the lost cognitive abilities were not restored in those who quit smoking marijuana as adults.

Heart Rate : Marijuana use can have a variety of adverse, short- and long-term effects, especially on cardiopulmonary and mental health.

Marijuana raises heart rate by 20-100 percent shortly after smoking; this effect can last up to 3 hours. In one study, it was estimated that marijuana users have a 4.8-fold increase in the risk of heart attack in the first hour after smoking the drug. This may be due to increased heart rate as well as the effects of marijuana on heart rhythms, causing palpitations and arrhythmias.

Mental Illness: A number of studies have shown an association between chronic marijuana use and mental illness. High doses of marijuana can produce a temporary psychotic reaction (involving hallucinations and paranoia) in some users, and using marijuana can worsen the course of illness in patients with schizophrenia. A series of large prospective studies also showed a link between marijuana use and later development of psychosis. This relationship was influenced by genetic variables as well as the amount of drug used and the age at which it was first taken?those who start young are at increased risk for later problems.

General Effects on Life: Research clearly demonstrates that marijuana has the potential to cause problems in daily life or make a person's existing problems worse. In fact, heavy marijuana users generally report lower life satisfaction, poorer mental and physical health, relationship problems, and less academic and career success compared to their peers who came from similar backgrounds. For example, marijuana use is associated with a higher likelihood of dropping out from school. Several studies also associate workers' marijuana smoking with increased absences, tardiness, accidents, workers' compensation claims, and job turnover.

SuckOnThis

Pigshit.

vdbucks

You posted that crap article as if it's contents were some smoking gun the prosecution could use to convict; when in fact you didn't even know the facts -- there goes that word again -- regarding said contents...

But at least we can agree that you're definitely not an expert...

vdbucks

The side effects of medical marijuana everyone...

_Richard_

again, perceptions. if you think 'bad news = smoking gun', what can i say?

I didn't know that Zimmerman was on two different prescribed pharmaceuticals.

Did you?

there is, maybe, 5 articles about it. Lots about the minute amounts of THC of course..

_Richard_

too bad no one ever thought to test Zimmerman..

SuckOnThis

The side effects of ignorance everyone.....

baddog

Simply amazing; don't let facts get in the way if they don't support your position.

BFT3K

If Martin was white, and Zimmerman was black, this story would have never even become news. Zimmerman would be in jail right now. Don't even pretend otherwise.

vdbucks

I've known about it since the info first came out last year...

Unlike some people, I actually like to know all the facts, or at least all the available facts... as opposed to being completely ignorant and do nothing but trying to push my own prejudiced opinions, agendas and fantasies as fact...

vdbucks

if this, if that... cry me a river...

The only real difference would be that the trial wouldn't be a media circus, pretending as if it were some racism fueled hate crime. And in case you didn't know this, but they can't just put you in jail without a trial or plea bargain... so that means Martin would have gotten the same trial as Zimmerman is in now, likely under a lesser charge and definitely without all the silly media attention.

So again, go cry me a river with that "white man hold my people down" bullshit.

BFT3K

If a sea of historical facts, showing time and again, how white people repress black people, is all just made up bullshit, then you are right.... but of course, you are not.

mikesouth

Thats exactly what Im talking about...the whole race baiting thing....Thats all this has turned into....damn shame really it shouldnt matter one way or the other and if it hadnt been race baited to death by the media it wouldnt matter one way or the other.

Congrats yer a sheep

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vdbucks

cry more... it's 2013. I can't account for the past, and you should stop living in it.

BFT3K

I'll stop living in the past, as soon as history stops repeating itself.

vdbucks

Ahem... black president.

Cry more.