Rochard

Seems Snowden's story isn't holding up.

Seems he claimed his salary is $200k/year, but it was a lot less. Seems he also left home a lot earlier than he told everyone. But the best part is it seems this guy didn't have the authority or ability to tap anyone.

Seems his resume is full of more bullshit than usual.

I think guy is a no one, a low level employee who made a lot of stuff up.

News article:
http://news.yahoo.com/5-ways-nsa-lea...115500971.html

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_Richard_

character properly assassinated?

guess they're saving the homosexual tranny binge for later

dyna mo

and that is exactly the issue.

a low level dipshit dumass with top secret security clearance

there are 10,000+ more just like him at booz

dyna mo

in 2010, the wp uncovered that there were ~850,000 employees in the intelligence community with top secret security clearances.

of those 850k, 250,000 were private sector, contract employees just like snowden.


snowden is representative of the guys snooping up your data in the corporate world and then selling it to the us government.

NinjaSteve

"5 ways NSA leaker Edward Snowden's story isn't holding up"

I'll wait for more. Especially after the recent DC news breaks and 'assurances'

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Rochard

I didn't think about that really. You might just be right.

I think it's odd that they are focusing on "when he left Hawaii". I'm not sure why that is important. But now it seems like they are reporting some drama with their land lord... So I am guessing some big drama is going to come out - like he committed some crime, fled the country, and now is trying to claim he is a whistle blower.

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dyna mo

umm, he is a whistle blower.

_Richard_

it will definitely be something

pretty sure this guy has fucked without a condom as well.

Rochard

I don't think he is a whistle blower at all. So far to date he hasn't told anyone of any illegal activity. He brought to light that the NSA and the CIA is using email services and Facebook and what not to help with terrorist investigations, but I don't believe this is secret - We all knew about it.

So far the only one who broke the law here is Snowden himself.

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dyna mo

he leaked classifed documents rochard.

it's very simple.

RummyBoy

Hahaha..... well said.

I mean you'd have to be DUMB, DUMB, DUMB not to think that the media/govt is going to try and discredit him as a person and make him look like a bad person before they can go after him properly

mikesouth

for the record top secret is a rather nebulous term, I held a top secret level at NASA which allowed me in the DOD firing rooms during a launch cycle

That same clearance wouldnt have gotten me into the urinals at Langley

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candyflip

Even in the face of fact, Rochard seems to be the kind of person who refuses to see the the simple truth.

This isn't the first time.

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dyna mo

ok, let's not have any oversight then, you make a valid point. no issues with 250,000 contractors with top secret clearance and zero oversight.

yeah, that can't go wrong, wait, n/m snowden is sitting in hong kong after releasing classified documents.

i can understand how whistleblower had different definitions depending on the context but under this context, those documents reveal broad unethical misconduct.

Rochard

So far I have yet to read exactly what he's turned over, only very general descriptions of what he claims the government is doing. I have yet to see where the government was doing anything illegal.

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Rochard

It is stunning to me that there are "250k contactors" with top secret clearance.

And I bet you there is a lot going on at the CIA and other such agencies that we have no idea is going on....

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dyna mo

how would you know what they are doing is illegal or not? the justice department secretly intrepreted section 215 of the patriot act:::

Rochard

Other than a few vague descriptions of what Snowden claims the government is doing, I have yet to see any document he's turned over. He tells us the government can pull up any data about us, but... We already knew this. This has been going since the beginning of time.

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dyna mo

the worst part about the entire cluster fuck is that there is no way of proving it all works

bronco67

He's a narcissistic fool with a crusader complex. His face is also very punchable.

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PhoneSexKing

Ahahaha... no shit 'eh... Maybe they'll find him in Sweden having "surprise sex" with 2 different woman.. oh wait.. they did that one already.

Maybe just dead with a needle in his arm... everyone can just call him a crazy junkie then.

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I'm not one for conspiracy theories, but this does seem like a situation where the government would like to discredit him, and I wouldn't believe the official story.

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Grapesoda

well there is the bit about a borderline personality being the type to 'leak' documents so I don't find it difficult to believe that areas of the guys life are complete shit, unlike you apparently

dyna mo

yeah, let's pay borderline personality disorder people with lives in complete shambles to be responsible for our intelligence.


makes sense.

Rochard

They seem to focusing on Hawaii and when he left - and why. Seems his landlord was kicking him out and wanted him out by the 1st.

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TheSquealer

Without analyzing the details...every living organism whether it is a baboon, plant life, a person, a group of people, a nation, a religion, a culture etc pushes back when attacked. He put out one version, there is a counter with version that calls his into question. All par for the course. No sense in trying to look at details when they are being fed by agencies who do nothing but lie and coverup and have every incentive in this case to do so. No one will ever know but a tiny fraction of the truth and thats never enough to make any sort of call in anyones favor.

That said, he did not exactly seem like a lunatic or a compulsive liar. He was clearly very bright, lucid and well spoken... and none of his claims were unreasonable to assume to be true.

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_Richard_

well, only a matter of time before these boneheads figure out they can access and upload whatever they want to every computer

and then 'do a raid'

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Si

Sorry that is a very flawed statement to make. But I know what you meant by it.

PhoneSexKing

Every computer? Via targeted system exploitation? or do they just kindly ask Apple to bundle illegal files with the next OS update?

96ukssob

Snowden is a government conspiracy to distract us from other things going on!

Like George W's bday

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PhoneSexKing

Why? Did he lie about his age again? Or is he actually reptilian like the interwebz sayz???

Captain Kawaii

OMG a Crisis - He didnt give 30 days notice. WTF???!!!! Call the Bank, Call the Police! LOL

Yeah, they kinda blew it when they first came out and said his leaks provided grave consequences for the intelligence community (an oxymoron if I ever heard of one) and now they are trying to assassinate him via "lack of credibility".

He is one of hundreds of thousands who are realizing they are working for a treasonous government. When the eyes are fully opened North Korea will have a higher footing than the US in world view.

_Richard_

if they own microsoft/apple, and have a history of installing 'backdoor systems'

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PhoneSexKing

If you were planning to flee the country would you really pay last month's rent?

mrgica

Probably thats the case. As young he is and stupid, he was probably influenced by doomsday/conspiracy crowd to do this stupid thing.

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mikesouth

Oh theres oversight and lots of it, when you apply for that clearance it takes over a year usually (back then) to get it and in the grand scheme mine was very low...they talk to everyone you ever knew...high school teachers, friends, enemies they try to dig up everyone they can.

Then after you get it you remain under increased scrutiny even after your clearance expires.

No amount of all of that will prevent someone from going rogue, thats just how it is. Personally I think his exposing this was a good thing, our government has gone way beyond what should be acceptable.

did ya ever notice how all that shit Nixon got impeached over is now legal?

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Yanks_Todd

Very true, my step dad had top secret clearance when he worked on the B-2 at Boeing in Seattle. That essentially gave him access to the B-2 fuel tanks where he sealed the insides. The plane was covered and he only saw the inside of a fuel tank which probably wasn't that interesting.

I think there is some character assassination, however I also think that Snowden is an unremarkable person who wants to be somebody.

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"I?m cold," Snowden said softly, "I?m cold."

"You?re going to be all right, kid," Yossarian reassured him with a grin. "You?re going to be all right."

"I?m cold," Snowden said again in a frail, childlike voice. "I?m cold."

"There, there," Yossarian said, because he did not know what else to say. "There, there."

"I?m cold," Snowden whimpered. "I?m cold."

"There, there. There, there."

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PhoneSexKing

Nah. They don't have to put in backdoors. (I suppose they can turn a blind eye to discovered holes.)

The reason is that 99.9% of software is complete shit. Script kiddies with tools from the interwebz can break the "security" on a lot of systems.

Vendzilla

On a submarine, even the cooks had a secret clearance

TOP secret , Classified, all stuff you are not suppose to talk about.
Then they debrief you and you are never suppose to talk about it again!
I've had all that, lots of people out there with clearances

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dyna mo

i hear ya but snowden was investigated 5 years back from the date of his securty investigation and that was the end of it. and that was even before he worked for booz. so booz never checked him out, his one and only cia security check cleared him for the length of his stay in the intel bidness, based on what i've gathered.

moreover, that's not what oversight is. oversight is setup to double-check that process you just described.

also, by all accounts of the experts who have been paid to evaluate the intel community, there is no accountability and zero structure. this entire world exploded exponentially after 9/11 with billions & billions thrown at it. hard to keep track at that level of growth, based on the folks in the know looking at that aspect of it.

it's ~impossible to have oversight in an environment like that.




it's too big, it's too ineffective and it needs to be way way way scaled back

dyna mo

the top secret security clearance stats i provided here are from the intel community, not overall defense clearance.

850,000 top secret security clearances in intelligence. not pentagon.

_Richard_

well i am talking on a institution level.. these are the guys that thought HB Gary were the end all be all of security, who ended up getting hacked cause someone asked them for a password

so those guys answer is smear campaigns and 'disappearing'

there is far more effective ways to discredit someone.. completely

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That's the thing.... its NOT illegal, that's the surprising part

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PhoneSexKing

Yeah, that was more of a poor "security policy" type-of-a-thing. (Social engineering lol)

I don't know if they could "disappear" Snowden now. I mean, who has motive to make him disappear.

I totally agree with the discreting angle. I mean, we are seeing that already and we totally expected it.

But really, I think that the exposure of PRISM will do no more than the exposure of the AT&Treason+NSA thing from a few years back.

I don't think this will get fixed with lawsuits and law in general. The tech to spy is just too cheap and the intelligence is too valuable.

People just need to start covering their own asses better by using technical means to protect their privacy. Ie: cryptography, don't use "cloud" services, use open source when possible, patch yer shit, etc..

dyna mo

dang. short and sweet.
that's what i'm thinking to, it's too big to fail now. can't have an entire industry just go away. even if the government dumped all the booz's, those companies are required by law to operate with the bottomline in mind at all times, they will look for work elsewhere, applying their technology wherever they can make a nickel off it.

directfiesta

.. and move out on the 1st ....

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lol I was trolling...

PhoneSexKing

It's like a tumor that someone wrote with a felt pen "don't get any bigger" on.

mikesouth

Oh they can "disappear him" they are very patient and unforgiving, give it time he will be forgotten then he will die from a brain tumor or some such and itll be buried in the news behind some story about the little league world series winner

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