Is Edward Snowden Right To Disclose?

[RummyBoy]

I wont bother to get into a big debate here but the more I learn about the USA the more I feel (everyday) its actually a less free place than even China. The freedoms are now are being taken away on the sly and regulation is eroding freedoms in other areas.

USA still remains the only country which imposes income tax based on citizenship (not based on residency).
It is now becoming very difficult for Americans to even open foreign bank accounts, since January this year.
The list goes on......

[helterskelter808]

Actually the sad thing is the US is still the least un-free country in the world. Except perhaps failed states.

[_Richard_]

it's kind of irrelevant

however here is another whistleblower at the same time

http://www.mrconservative.com/2013/0...t-experiences/

"Unmanned Drone Operator Who Killed Over 1,600 Speaks Out About Experiences"

[Socks]

The US is being real hard on tax cheats... Unless they're corporations.

And really, really hates whistleblowers... Unless they're providing them the info, in which case they'll pay handsomely.

[BlackCrayon]

this dude cracks me up. posts about how the US is so terrible and how india and china are great.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

this dude cracks me up. posts about how the US is so terrible and how india and china are great.

he's on a steady diet of chinese polluted rice, fried his brain.

[Captain Kawaii]

The flip side of it, a kind of win for the US is that it is being reported by washington post sources are now refusing to speak with their journalists or restricting heavily the manner in which they do so.

US has gone from a republic to a fascist state real quick. - Just like the countries the gov here tries to make us hate. ROFL.

[bronco67]

He took an oath. He broke the oath. He's a traitor pure and simple and the bastard should be hanged by his stupid fucking neck. Maybe its my past military service that gives me this mindset, even though I'm one of the most liberal people.

You don't get to do that Snowden, just because you disagree. Enjoy China you weasel. I hope you get a thousand chopsticks jammed up your asshole.

I do have a problem with the government looking into every type of communication, but I think its in the interest of protecting us. I'm not strangling kittens, dealing drugs or comitting murder so I[m not worried what they know. I'm not some paranoid fucker who thinks the government gives one shit about my daily activities. Do you really think Barack Obama is sitting around twirling his moustache and giving out orders to spy on every American because he gets off on it? They have a tough job trying to figure out who's going to be the next Boston Bomber -- let them have some avenue to predict it.

The real problem is that thousands of contractors in the NSA have top secret clearance. Didn't they think its possible some of them could have a problem with what's going on and blow the whistle?

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

this dude cracks me up. posts about how the US is so terrible and how india and china are great.

He's not in Chinese territory doing this without Chinese cooperation - meaning they laid down some conditions and made some guarantees and maybe promises to him. This is basically a possible act of treason and a diplomatic nightmare and its not like the country he is in isn't all over his shit and doesn't have him squarely under control. These types of events of this magnitude do not happen as a matter of random occurrence and without the involvement on some level of the security services of the host country and government. And coincidentally it all comes after Obama going after the Chinese publicly for espionage.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by bronco67

He took an oath. He broke the oath. He's a traitor pure and simple and the bastard should be hanged by his stupid fucking neck. Maybe its my past military service that gives me this mindset, even though I'm one of the most liberal people.

You don't get to do that Snowden, just because you disagree. Enjoy China you weasel. I hope you get a thousand chopsticks jammed up your asshole.

I do have a problem with the government looking into every type of communication, but I think its in the interest of protecting us. I'm not strangling kittens, dealing drugs or comitting murder so I[m not worried what they know. I'm not some paranoid fucker who thinks the government gives one shit about my daily activities. Do you really think Barack Obama is sitting around twirling his moustache and giving out orders to spy on every American because he gets off on it? They have a tough job trying to figure out who's going to be the next Boston Bomber -- let them have some avenue to predict it.

The real problem is that thousands of contractors in the NSA have top secret clearance. Didn't they think its possible some of them could have a problem with what's going on and blow the whistle?

... an oath ....????

To whom ???? When ????

[Captain Kawaii]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

... an oath ....????

To whom ???? When ????

You probably know this guy was a high school drop out working for the CIA then Bozeman as a consultant., i.e. hacker. Company he was working for is a private company. 70% of US intelligence is gathered by private companies. Bozeman was a company started in Israel and bought by Boeing. Many of the companies paid to gather intel for US are from Israel or have Israeli connections. It's an extremely lucrative business.

There is a proposal in the new treasonous immigration reform bill that will triple the size of the Border Patrol and create a border and internal defense command. Full implementation of a military field army working within us borders...targeting whoever...

Like former Bush and present Obama cabinet and upper echelon elites, they bounce around these defense contractors like pinballs.

(Source: democracynow.org )

Oath? To Benjamin Franklins is my guess.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii

Oath? To Benjamin Franklins is my guess.

Oh ... it is a guess ... I see ,

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

... an oath ....????

To whom ???? When ????

Top secrreet clearance doesn't just require a handshake. I went through one once and failed.

[Jel]

Originally Posted by bronco67

He took an oath. He broke the oath. He's a traitor pure and simple and the bastard should be hanged by his stupid fucking neck. Maybe its my past military service that gives me this mindset, even though I'm one of the most liberal people.

You don't get to do that Snowden, just because you disagree. Enjoy China you weasel. I hope you get a thousand chopsticks jammed up your asshole.

I do have a problem with the government looking into every type of communication, but I think its in the interest of protecting us. I'm not strangling kittens, dealing drugs or comitting murder so I[m not worried what they know. I'm not some paranoid fucker who thinks the government gives one shit about my daily activities. Do you really think Barack Obama is sitting around twirling his moustache and giving out orders to spy on every American because he gets off on it? They have a tough job trying to figure out who's going to be the next Boston Bomber -- let them have some avenue to predict it.

The real problem is that thousands of contractors in the NSA have top secret clearance. Didn't they think its possible some of them could have a problem with what's going on and blow the whistle?

It's definitely your past military service that gives you this mindset - I find it jaw-dropping tbh.

"The Milgram experiment on obedience to authority figures was a series of social psychology experiments conducted by Yale University psychologist Stanley Milgram, which measured the willingness of study participants to obey an authority figure who instructed them to perform acts that conflicted with their personal conscience."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment explains it all. I find it amazing tbh, but then, I'm not a subservient person, and have a conscience.

[Captain Kawaii]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

Oh ... it is a guess ... I see ,

Yeah, I dont think it was about money or flag waving. He was a hacker, an outsider, who went inside and did not like what he saw. US gov is an evil machine. No doubt about it.

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by bronco67

He took an oath. He broke the oath. He's a traitor pure and simple and the bastard should be hanged by his stupid fucking neck. Maybe its my past military service that gives me this mindset, even though I'm one of the most liberal people.

You don't get to do that Snowden, just because you disagree. Enjoy China you weasel. I hope you get a thousand chopsticks jammed up your asshole.

I do have a problem with the government looking into every type of communication, but I think its in the interest of protecting us. I'm not strangling kittens, dealing drugs or comitting murder so I[m not worried what they know. I'm not some paranoid fucker who thinks the government gives one shit about my daily activities. Do you really think Barack Obama is sitting around twirling his moustache and giving out orders to spy on every American because he gets off on it? They have a tough job trying to figure out who's going to be the next Boston Bomber -- let them have some avenue to predict it.

The real problem is that thousands of contractors in the NSA have top secret clearance. Didn't they think its possible some of them could have a problem with what's going on and blow the whistle?

if the government wants to spy on people they should at least let them know that they are being watched. i think snowden did the right thing. he sacrificed a lot of because he thought people deserved to know. its pretty noble what he did. oaths are meaningless.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by bronco67

He took an oath. He broke the oath. He's a traitor pure and simple and the bastard should be hanged by his stupid fucking neck. Maybe its my past military service that gives me this mindset, even though I'm one of the most liberal people.

You don't get to do that Snowden, just because you disagree. Enjoy China you weasel. I hope you get a thousand chopsticks jammed up your asshole.

I do have a problem with the government looking into every type of communication, but I think its in the interest of protecting us. I'm not strangling kittens, dealing drugs or comitting murder so I[m not worried what they know. I'm not some paranoid fucker who thinks the government gives one shit about my daily activities. Do you really think Barack Obama is sitting around twirling his moustache and giving out orders to spy on every American because he gets off on it? They have a tough job trying to figure out who's going to be the next Boston Bomber -- let them have some avenue to predict it.

The real problem is that thousands of contractors in the NSA have top secret clearance. Didn't they think its possible some of them could have a problem with what's going on and blow the whistle?

I agree completely. He broke an oath, he disclosed classified information, and he didn't expose anything because so far no one has broken any laws except for him.

[dyna mo]

the nsa outsources ~80% of its snooping. that's $6 billion distributed amongst 1000s of low level employees such as snowden tasked with gathering that *intel*.

that's a problem come rent time, regardless of oaths.

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

the nsa outsources ~80% of its snooping. that's $6 billion distributed amongst 1000s of low level employees such as snowden tasked with gathering that *intel*.

that's a problem come rent time, regardless of oaths.

and you just know those people are abusing the power they have. practically every employee who has access to information about people they know, will use it for personal reasons at some point or another.

[troncarver]

hes a pussy, that thought he was so righteous to leave his family behind so he could release information everyone already knew anyway

[RummyBoy]

I am actually surprised that so much of you are bothered. Let us say now 86% of you think he was right to do that (according to the results above).

The fact is: HE BROKE HIS OATH

It was his RESPONSIBILITY not to do so - why is he now a hero?

[dyna mo]

who said he is a hero?

[RummyBoy]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

who said he is a hero?

Go search google - there is a shit load of debate about whether what he did was heroic and the blog sphere is full of it.

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blog...is-a-hero.html

In a way its good that people know about this - of course, it has very serious implications about freedoms. The fact of his transgression is clear but it looks like the majority thinks that what he did was in fact RIGHT as per the results of this vote (86% is a very clear majority). Maybe the majority are incapable of being objective?

[dyna mo]

that's right, it's not a fact that he's a hero. some may think so.