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Grapesoda · 06-01-2013, 08:38 AM

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the concept of God is in our heads before we even begin school. my parents weren't religious, the only time i heard the word 'God' was when i did something bad and my mom would issue a threat 'God help you..........' like I'll need God's help if she got her hands on me. Almost a death threat if you think about it, I should have called Child Protective Services.

But I already knew there was a God and figured he must exist. I got it from TV, movies, cartoons.

what did god say when you touched little Sally's 'underthere' in second grade?

Si · 06-01-2013, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

the concept of God is in our heads before we even begin school. my parents weren't religious, the only time i heard the word 'God' was when i did something bad and my mom would issue a threat 'God help you..........' like I'll need God's help if she got her hands on me. Almost a death threat if you think about it, I should have called Child Protective Services.

But I already knew there was a God and figured he must exist. I got it from TV, movies, cartoons.

I believe all children are born atheists. Think about it.

The word itself "god" is thrown about alot. I say for god sake, or holy shit, or fucking hell.
I'm trying to lose the swear words, and just say fuck sake, shit, or fucking bollocks.

SilentKnight · 06-01-2013, 08:41 AM

Those who use religion as an excuse to do evil against their fellow man will find another excuse in the absence of religion.

Grapesoda · 06-01-2013, 08:42 AM

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a lot of truth in his comment, imo.

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honestly it would be more believable that Bill is the author had that been in the 12x12, the big book was written by committee with Bill stealing the copyright after the fact.

Bill accomplished this by selling the unbound pages of the book voiding the AA copyright. Bill then placed the copyright in his own name and then lived of the rights for the rest of his life.

at least this is my understanding.... as they say listen to the message not the messenger.. Bill was pure scum top to bottom

Grapesoda · 06-01-2013, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Si

I believe all children are born atheists. Think about it.

The word itself "god" is thrown about alot. I say for god sake, or holy shit, or fucking hell.
I'm trying to lose the swear words, and just say fuck sake, shit, or fucking bollocks.

do you believe all children are born bisexual as well?

Mutt · 06-01-2013, 08:43 AM

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I think you might like to read this: http://theageofblasphemy.wordpress.c...m-as-religion/

Just look at the way dictators like to try and promote the belief that they are immortal. They are "all powerful" etc. and that is why they removed religion and made atheism their official "religion".

That's not the Marxist reason for atheism. Marx called religion the opiate of the masses, believed that it was a tool used by the capitalist overlords to make the workers more at peace with their horrid lives by promising them there was a reward for them in the afterlife.

Grapesoda · 06-01-2013, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by SilentKnight

Those who use religion as an excuse to do evil against their fellow man will find another excuse in the absence of religion.

yes they will and that's the sad fact of it all...

Joshua G · 06-01-2013, 08:45 AM

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Neil Degrasse Tyson on 'Intelligent Design'

i wasnt really impressed. like most critics. he tears apart an idea but offers no alternative thats better. & he said nothing as to my question - what force pushes evolution?

Grapesoda · 06-01-2013, 08:47 AM

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i wasnt really impressed. like most critics. he tears apart an idea but offers no alternative thats better. & he said nothing as to my question - what force pushes evolution?

time, survival

dyna mo · 06-01-2013, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda

honestly it would be more believable that Bill is the author had that been in the 12x12, the big book was written by committee with Bill stealing the copyright after the fact.

Bill accomplished this by selling the unbound pages of the book voiding the AA copyright. Bill then placed the copyright in his own name and then lived of the rights for the rest of his life.

at least this is my understanding.... as they say listen to the message not the messenger.. Bill was pure scum top to bottom

it doesn't really matter here what type of alchoholic bill was, the quote rings true for me so i included it here. it speaks to the essence of what we all perceive god to be, it has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with you being the center of your universe.

Si · 06-01-2013, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda

do you believe all children are born bisexual as well?

Sorry.

No, all children are born non-sexual and/or gender neutral.

Mutt · 06-01-2013, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda

what did god say when you touched little Sally's 'underthere' in second grade?

I think by second grade I had already become a major sceptic. When I was maybe 4, I asked my Dad one day who at the time wasn't home a lot busy with his career, 'Who are you?' - in a deep voice he replied 'I am God', I wasn't sure, then he pointed a finger in my face and said 'And that makes you Jesus' - I was like 'WTF', it threw me for a loop, wasn't sure if he was kidding or not. Somebody had to be God and Jesus, why not us

I remember having a bizarre concept of God as a man's face in the sky in a scribbled artistic style and he looked like Dick Tracy from the comic strip that was in the newspaper.

adendreams · 06-01-2013, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by SilentKnight

Those who use religion as an excuse to do evil against their fellow man will find another excuse in the absence of religion.

Could not disagree more.

Grapesoda · 06-01-2013, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

it doesn't really matter here what type of alchoholic bill was, the quote rings true for me so i included it here. it speaks to the essence of what we all perceive god to be, it has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with you being the center of your universe.

yes I agree and did my step work out of the 12x12 even though I got clean in NA ... don't live big, live basic

Grapesoda · 06-01-2013, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

I think by second grade I had already become a major sceptic. When I was maybe 4, I asked my Dad one day who at the time wasn't home a lot busy with his career, 'Who are you?' - in a deep voice he replied 'I am God', I wasn't sure, then he pointed a finger in my face and said 'And that makes you Jesus' - I was like 'WTF', it threw me for a loop, wasn't sure if he was kidding or not. Somebody had to be God and Jesus, why not us

I remember having a bizarre concept of God as a man's face in the sky in a scribbled artistic style and he looked like Dick Tracy from the comic strip that was in the newspaper.

that's awesome

Si · 06-01-2013, 09:04 AM

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do you believe all children are born bisexual as well?

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Originally Posted by Mutt

That's not the Marxist reason for atheism. Marx called religion the opiate of the masses, believed that it was a tool used by the capitalist overlords to make the workers more at peace with their horrid lives by promising them there was a reward for them in the afterlife.

Ok, I'll go along with that. I need to dig deeper into the religious thoughts of communists. Marx was first a protestant though.

Hitler is also mentioned often, looking over Hitler's beliefs, it's hard to not call him a Christian.

In his writings on Hitler's recurrent religious images and symbols, Kenneth Burke concluded that "Hitler's modes of thought are nothing more than perverted or caricatured forms of religious thought" [51]

I don't believe any of these dogmatic and totalitarian people such as Mao etc. Who are being used to try and justify for religion, are true atheists or humanists.

dyna mo · 06-01-2013, 09:06 AM

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yes I agree and did my step work out of the 12x12 even though I got clean in NA ... don't live big, live basic

emphasis on step work. too few aa'ers think it's about goint to meetings.

adendreams · 06-01-2013, 09:08 AM

As idiotic as it was for the US Gov to give Scientology full tax exempt status as a "Real" Religion - it's kind of a nice indictment on religion as a whole...Just make some shit up - and if enough people are gullible enough to believe it PRESTO you have yourself a bonafide religion!

Si · 06-01-2013, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by adendreams

As idiotic as it was for the US Gov to give Scientology full tax exempt status as a "Real" Religion - it's kind of a nice indictment on religion as a whole...Just make some shit up - and if enough people are gullible enough to believe it PRESTO you have yourself a bonafide religion!

Pretty much!

I remember people who used to put Jedi down on the census and in polls

Grapesoda · 06-01-2013, 09:15 AM

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Ok, I'll go along with that. I need to dig deeper into the religious thoughts of communists. Marx was first a protestant though.

Hitler is also mentioned often, looking over Hitler's beliefs, it's hard to not call him a Christian.

In his writings on Hitler's recurrent religious images and symbols, Kenneth Burke concluded that "Hitler's modes of thought are nothing more than perverted or caricatured forms of religious thought" [51]

I don't believe any of these dogmatic and totalitarian people such as Mao etc. Who are being used to try and justify for religion, are true atheists or humanists.

humanity has an inner need for event driven spirituality... unlike actual spirituality which is a very slow process... one of the first documented examples of this is Moses and the Golden Calf

hence the need for loud proclamations of faith, large dramatic events, miracles and charismatic leaders with simple, yet bold ideology's... and usually someone or group to lay the blame on to replace or supplement the more traditional religious focuses of a society.

you may refer to the Nazi's or Communism as religions however while both organizations function the same on some levels and fulfill the same needs I wouldn't say that either Nazi's or Communism is a religion.

dyna mo · 06-01-2013, 09:17 AM

so the question is---- has religion, organized religion, done more good or bad over time?

i would argue that regardless of how many people have died due to religion, religion is simply an excuse for human's desire to kill each other.

if we hadn't invented religion as an excuse to kill and maim each other, we would have invented something else to satisfy that basic human urge.

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Originally Posted by SilentKnight

Those who use religion as an excuse to do evil against their fellow man will find another excuse in the absence of religion.

right there.

Grapesoda · 06-01-2013, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

so the question is---- has religion, organized religion, done more good or bad over time?

i would argue that regardless of how many people have died due to religion, religion is simply an excuse for human's desire to kill each other.

if we hadn't invented religion as an excuse to kill and maim each other, we would have invented something else to satisfy that basic human urge.

I would say that religion has done no more harm or good that 'scientific progress' on the whole... one issue any culture faces is to survive it's technological advancements. there are many examples though time of cultures that have not... while our current situation as a people might seem to be religious in nature or a clash or religious ideology's the real culprit to my mind is almost instant communication across the globe which allows various points of view to be manipulated in a way that has never been possible before...

dyna mo · 06-01-2013, 09:29 AM

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I would say that religion has done no more harm or good that 'scientific progress' on the whole... one issue any culture faces is to survive it's technological advancements. there are many examples though time of cultures that have not... while our current situation as a people might seem to be religious in nature or a clash or religious ideology's the real culprit to my mind is almost instant communication across the globe which allows various points of view to be manipulated in a way that has never been possible before...

lol, i was just arguing the same point irl the other day. all of these arab springs, and peeps hating on america, et al, etc are direct consequences of instant communication/internet.

Mutt · 06-01-2013, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

so the question is---- has religion, organized religion, done more good or bad over time?

i would argue that regardless of how many people have died due to religion, religion is simply an excuse for human's desire to kill each other.

if we hadn't invented religion as an excuse to kill and maim each other, we would have invented something else to satisfy that basic human urge.

This is true, humans don't need religion to justify killing, history is filled with wars, conquering other people for the sake of conquering and enslaving, for dominance,for riches, for power, land and whatever else.

The Arab/Jew fight in the Middle East really isn't about religion. It's more politics. The Arabs fighting between each other is more religious/class based.

I still think religion has caused more harm than good. And the good it does could be achieved without religion.

dyna mo · 06-01-2013, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

This is true, humans don't need religion to justify killing, history is filled with wars, conquering other people for the sake of conquering and enslaving, for dominance,for riches, for power, land and whatever else.

The Arab/Jew fight in the Middle East really isn't about religion. It's more politics. The Arabs fighting between each other is more religious/class based.

I still think religion has caused more harm than good. And the good it does could be achieved without religion.

yeah, the argument pretty much fails when you peel it down another layer, organized religion's basic tenets are the same across all of them, try and do good, yet the body count doesn't really support that.

dyna mo · 06-01-2013, 10:04 AM

where have we been transported to?

this is the gfy. we're supposed to be

instead we're

adendreams · 06-01-2013, 10:06 AM

Another religion bashing thread on GFY.... yawn... it would be nice to hear from the other side of the argument - where are all the jesus freaks? Surely there must be some porn webmasters brave enough to chime in and say they believe in God or Jesus or Xenu...No? Santa? Tooth Fairy?

MaDalton · 06-01-2013, 10:06 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Templar

this book gives an interesting view on religion and why so many people need it

dyna mo · 06-01-2013, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Templar

this book gives an interesting view on religion and why so many people need it

go on!

nikki99 · 06-01-2013, 10:11 AM

Slappin Fish · 06-01-2013, 10:31 AM

"I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." - Stephen Henry Roberts, Historian

MaDalton · 06-01-2013, 10:45 AM

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go on!

read the book - it's good

and i agree with the author

Si · 06-01-2013, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

read the book - it's good

and i agree with the author

Cliff notes? Or, would you rather not?

MaDalton · 06-01-2013, 02:47 PM

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Cliff notes? Or, would you rather not?

rather not, that would ruin it.

maybe just this - the basic message is: Religion is necessary because without religion, there would be anarchy.

Si · 06-01-2013, 03:33 PM

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rather not, that would ruin it.

maybe just this - the basic message is: Religion is necessary because without religion, there would be anarchy.

I think people need to live by a set of principles, doesn't mean you need to have religion.

Anyway, I'll read it if I can, or try and find it on audible

Best-In-BC · 06-01-2013, 04:49 PM

Organized Religious people = Stupidity plain and simple.
There personality, beliefs and the rest is destructive to us all.

mikesinner · 06-01-2013, 05:20 PM

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maybe, maybe not, BUT HITLER did NOT campaign on a overt spiritual platform like a Christian or Muslim would in a religious organization...

I don't think you've read very many of his speeches.

nikki99 · 06-01-2013, 06:28 PM

u will all burn in hell atheist people

Best-In-BC · 06-01-2013, 06:40 PM

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u will all burn in hell atheist people

I hope soo, my feet are always cold, lol

Redrob · 06-01-2013, 06:48 PM

I am not an atheist. I am not an agnostic. I subscribe to no dogma. I don't believe in magic or miracles.

I am a mystic and trace the roots of my beliefs to my ancestors and the powers of nature as I perceive them.

I have no answers for anyone other than myself. But, with myself, I am satisfied.

nikki99 · 06-01-2013, 06:49 PM

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I hope soo, my feet are always cold, lol

after 1000 years SATAN will be released and the antichrist wll born and will be the end of the world and all non believers will die and suffer in the lake of fire

Si · 06-01-2013, 07:16 PM

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u will all burn in hell atheist people

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after 1000 years SATAN will be released and the antichrist wll born and will be the end of the world and all non believers will die and suffer in the lake of fire

Do you believe in god Nikki? On a personal level, I would find it extremely weird if you did, and I don't mean to offend you saying that.

If you do, could you please explain why? I mentioned above as an atheist, I think human beings are born not of a specific gender.

If you wouldn't mind expressing your religious beliefs in regards to your sexuality I think that would be pretty cool of you

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mikesinner · 06-01-2013, 07:41 PM

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after 1000 years SATAN will be released and the antichrist wll born and will be the end of the world and all non believers will die and suffer in the lake of fire

Sounds like a scary child's fairy tale. I don't see how any modern human can see it as anything more than Middle Eastern Mythology.

SilentKnight · 06-01-2013, 08:00 PM

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Made me think of:

nikki99 · 06-02-2013, 11:35 AM

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If you wouldn't mind expressing your religious beliefs in regards to your sexuality I think that would be pretty cool of you

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too long history, as rock band stryper says "his gift is for those who believe"

JUUUUSSSTTTT BELIEVEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

HE IS THE REASON FOR THE SEASOOONNN

Best-In-BC · 06-02-2013, 01:22 PM

Crazy Enough · 06-02-2013, 06:25 PM

I'm an atheist. There's no god. Humans invented this god stuff to control others, because people were getting crazy, acting like animals, so now they have this invisible powerful man to be afraid of, to respect, to worship, and still this man refuses to show his face.

Believing in god is the same as belive in a fairy tail.

Si · 06-02-2013, 07:03 PM

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This is what happens when you punch the + key to much, it bleeds!

DTK · 06-02-2013, 09:31 PM

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i wasnt really impressed. like most critics. he tears apart an idea but offers no alternative thats better. & he said nothing as to my question - what force pushes evolution?

i see this bullshit line of "reasoning" far too often. Just because a person 'tears apart' an idea, they're under no requirement to provide a better alternative.

The whole implication of this lame gambit is that 'if the debunker of this idea can't come up with a better idea, then his debunking is invalid'.

I'm sure everyone with more than 5 brain cells firing can see the nonsense in this.

Redrob · 06-02-2013, 10:34 PM

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what force pushes evolution?

The desire to fuck pushes evolution.
Both parents donate their genes.
That's why babies don't look exactly like their parents.
Occasionally, you get a useful trait pop up.

Hence, evolution!

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