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Old 05-24-2013, 03:14 PM   #1
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Heckler Interrupts Obama on Guantanamo

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It was all a set up.
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That idiot had one thing on her mind...get as much attention as possible. Obama was speaking her language when it comes to the war on terror, but she came there determined to make a scene no matter what he said.

It's great to be compassionate about other cultures, but bitch you should start living in the real world.
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That idiot had one thing on her mind...get as much attention as possible. Obama was speaking her language when it comes to the war on terror, but she came there determined to make a scene no matter what he said.

It's great to be compassionate about other cultures, but bitch you should start living in the real world.
Yea, the "real world" where we terrorize other countries for decades and murder innocent civilians from cowardly drone strikes...
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Yea, the "real world" where we terrorize other countries for decades and murder innocent civilians from cowardly drone strikes...
hopefully they will put the rules around that, mentioned in the speech, which was what that speech was intended.
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Pivoting From a War Footing, Obama Acts to Curtail Drones

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Pivoting From a War Footing, Obama Acts to Curtail Drones

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/24/us...ones.html?_r=0
while stating they killed 4 americans without trial, and will continue doing so

that statement, and subsequent, 'oh finally, what we have wanted' is rather confusing.
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while stating they killed 4 americans without trial, and will continue doing so

that statement, and subsequent, 'oh finally, what we have wanted' is rather confusing.
thus the *hopeful* part. i'm pretty sure we'll fuck it up.
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thus the *hopeful* part. i'm pretty sure we'll fuck it up.
saw some comparison.. so, US gov says iraq war is going to cost 80 billion, costs 1 trillion so far

so, if the us gov says it killed 4 americans

did it kill 400?
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Yea, the "real world" where we terrorize other countries for decades and murder innocent civilians from cowardly drone strikes...
Sure thing, we terrorize people around the world for no reason with "cowardly drone strikes".

They attacked us... Al-Qaeda did. More than once. You say that we "we murder innocent civilians" and I say the United States invaded a country and went to war because we were attacked.

As for the drone attacks, that's the best and quickest way to kill the people take took place in this attack and are planning further attacks. It's either that or a full scale invasion...
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Sure thing, we terrorize people around the world for no reason with "cowardly drone strikes".

They attacked us... Al-Qaeda did. More than once. You say that we "we murder innocent civilians" and I say the United States invaded a country and went to war because we were attacked.

As for the drone attacks, that's the best and quickest way to kill the people take took place in this attack and are planning further attacks. It's either that or a full scale invasion...
when did the US get attacked by Pakistan?
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when did the US get attacked by Pakistan?
We give them enuff $$$$ we can do a few drone strikes.
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when did the US get attacked by Pakistan?
The US didn't get attacked by Pakistan that caused us to go there, we went there because they were harboring a FBI's Most Wanted criminal, and then fought us and refused to turn him over... I don't care if they're trained military or civilians with AK47's, someone shoots at me, I'm gonna shoot back and be damn sure I kill them before they kill me. And I'm sure 110% of the military agrees with that.
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We give them enuff $$$$ we can do a few drone strikes.


well that's the funny thing.. the drone strikes happen because 'taliban go back and forth over border', and nothing can be done about that because 'military interests in pakistan', which just so happens is the group that gets all the US Money

so..
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The US didn't get attacked by Pakistan that caused us to go there, we went there because they were harboring a FBI's Most Wanted criminal, and then fought us and refused to turn him over... I don't care if they're trained military or civilians with AK47's, someone shoots at me, I'm gonna shoot back and be damn sure I kill them before they kill me. And I'm sure 110% of the military agrees with that.
while that's a good point, the drone strikes were happening long before they 'knew he was in Pakistan'
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You need somewhere to send your drones so as you can justify buying them from the War Profiteers with taxpayers money, to repay the War Profiteers for funding your political campaign, that's what Pakistan is for and why they need to keep it unstable.

This is why it was so important to kill off Benazir Bhutto as she would have brought stability to the region.
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2,753 innocent lives lost on 9/11/2001 as a result of a terrorist attack....

19 people the US held responsible for the terrorist attack.

1 country withholds the prime suspect in the terrorist attack.

194 civilians died in 19 drone attacks by the US.

313.9 million people blamed for those deaths.


Edit: see where I am going with this? The US gets attacked and we figure out who was behind it and blame them and them alone... We retaliate and casualties of war happen (always happens) and all of the sudden the US is a big bad country just looking to kill innocent people for no reason other than control.

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while that's a good point, the drone strikes were happening long before they 'knew he was in Pakistan'
So what's your reasoning as to why we went into Pakistan then? Oil? Everyone thinks it's oil... USA wants oil, nobody will give it to us, so we take it, right?

Wrong... Countries fucking under bid each other so fucking much just to get us to buy our oil from them... We don't have to attack a country to get their oil... They WANT us to have it and they WANT us to buy it from them.
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According to a report of the Islamabad-based Conflict Monitoring Center (CMC), as of 2011, more than 2000 persons have been killed, and most of those deaths were civilians. The CMC termed the CIA drone strikes as an "assassination campaign turning out to be revenge campaign", and showed that 2010 was the deadliest year so far as regards casualties resulting from drone attacks, with 134 strikes inflicting over 900 deaths.[108]
According to the Long War Journal, as of mid-2011, the drone strikes in Pakistan since 2006 had killed 2,018 militants and 138 civilians.[109] The New America Foundation stated in mid-2011 that since 2004 2,551 people have been killed in the strikes, with 80% of those militants. The Foundation stated that 95% of those killed in 2010 were militants.[15] and that, as of 2012, 15% of the total people killed by drone strikes were either civilians or unknown. The foundation also states that in 2012 the rate of civilian and unknown casualties was 2 percent, whereas the Bureau of Investigative Journalism say the rate of civilian casualties for 2012 is 9 percent.[110]
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when did the US get attacked by Pakistan?
We didn't attack Pakistan. We targeted Al-Qaeda in Pakistan. Big difference there.

And so far as Pakistan is concerned, well, they can suck my left nut. They are barely in control of their own country, and half of their government is openly supporting terrorists. When the government and or their intelligence agencies don't like who is running for election, they either kill them outright or imprison them. Fucking Bin Laden was hiding right next to a military base - surprise!

Fuck Pakistan. Hard. With a horse cock.
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We didn't attack Pakistan. We targeted Al-Qaeda in Pakistan. Big difference there.

And so far as Pakistan is concerned, well, they can suck my left nut. They are barely in control of their own country, and half of their government is openly supporting terrorists. When the government and or their intelligence agencies don't like who is running for election, they either kill them outright or imprison them. Fucking Bin Laden was hiding right next to a military base - surprise!

Fuck Pakistan. Hard. With a horse cock.
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fuck pakistan because they can't run their government?

coming from americans?

that makes no sense.
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So according to this, combined attacks from the US from 2009 until now equates to about the same amount of lives lost in a single attack against us?
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So what's your reasoning as to why we went into Pakistan then? Oil? Everyone thinks it's oil... USA wants oil, nobody will give it to us, so we take it, right?

Wrong... Countries fucking under bid each other so fucking much just to get us to buy our oil from them... We don't have to attack a country to get their oil... They WANT us to have it and they WANT us to buy it from them.
you mean the strike against Osama? I am sure that was the reason they went in the country.

Its just CIA was operating for a good long time in that country, and it's odd they wouldn't know the most wanted man, the guy they paid, the guy they have lunch with every now and then, would be holed up in a major mansion not a block away from a military base

the problem with this logic is, the US was paying that portion (military portion) money.. aid, bribe, whatever

so the drone strikes are occurring because the taliban are moving back and forth across a border, aided by the very people you pay money to have power?
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So according to this, combined attacks from the US from 2009 until now equates to about the same amount of lives lost in a single attack against us?
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We didn't attack Pakistan. We targeted Al-Qaeda in Pakistan. Big difference there.

And so far as Pakistan is concerned, well, they can suck my left nut. They are barely in control of their own country, and half of their government is openly supporting terrorists. When the government and or their intelligence agencies don't like who is running for election, they either kill them outright or imprison them. Fucking Bin Laden was hiding right next to a military base - surprise!

Fuck Pakistan. Hard. With a horse cock.
as i had said earlier, the group you guys pay to keep in power run that 'taliban' group

they were being used in the Civil war that was going on.. so, forgive me if i am confused, but you attacked your own proxy army?
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So according to this, combined attacks from the US from 2009 until now equates to about the same amount of lives lost in a single attack against us?
it seems that way, so for those who feel the need for vengeance, revenge and retaliation on civilians, we can call it a wrap in pakistan.
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as i had said earlier, the group you guys pay to keep in power run that 'taliban' group

they were being used in the Civil war that was going on.. so, forgive me if i am confused, but you attacked your own proxy army?
What group do we pay? Pakistan? Al Qaeda? The Taliban? The lines are so fucking blurred there it's pretty pointless. You give Pakistan support and it's pretty much going to Al Qaeda anyhow. At one location fucking Al Qaeda is hijacking American plants and crashing them into towers, and in another location Al Qaeda is begging for our help to take down the Syrian government.

What civil war? Afghanistan? They are pretty much ALWAYS in a state of civil war. Don't give a shit. I honestly don't. Al Qaeda attacked us, the government of Afghanistan refused to turn them over and refused to help, THUS we are removed the government of Afghanistan. Done.

This is what society is based on - world wide. You attack another country, you get attacked back.
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19 people the US held responsible for the terrorist attack.

Edit: see where I am going with this? The US gets attacked and we figure out who was behind it and blame them and them alone... We retaliate and casualties of war happen (always happens) and all of the sudden the US is a big bad country just looking to kill innocent people for no reason other than control.
All I see is that you are smoking some good crack. The 19 guys who "did it", that we blame "alone", all died in the attack (well, apparently they didn't but that's another story ). Therefore everyone else we 'retaliated' against for the attack (particularly in Iraq and Afghanistan) is patently innocent.

Not only is there not one shred of evidence that Bin Laden was involved in 9/11 -- which is why Afghanistan quite rightly refused to hand him over to us, even though they were prepared to do so -- he flat out denied he was involved as soon as it happened.

There is also no evidence that he was even still alive in the decade prior to that absurd charade in Abbottabad.

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All I see is that you are smoking some good crack. The 19 guys who "did it", that we blame "alone", all died in the attack (well, apparently they didn't but that's another story ). Therefore everyone else we 'retaliated' against for the attack (particularly in Iraq and Afghanistan) is patently innocent.

Not only is there not one shred of evidence that Bin Laden was involved in 9/11 -- which is why Afghanistan quite rightly refused to hand him over to us, even though they were prepared to do so -- he flat out denied he was involved as soon as it happened.

There is also no evidence that he was even still alive in the decade prior to that absurd charade in Abbottabad.
No evidence at all...

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The idea for the attacks came from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who first presented it to Osama bin Laden in 1996. At that time, bin Laden and al-Qaeda were in a period of transition, having just relocated back to Afghanistan from Sudan. The 1998 African Embassy bombings and bin Laden's 1998 fatwā marked a turning point, as bin Laden became intent on attacking the United States.
In late 1998 or early 1999, bin Laden gave approval for Mohammed to go forward with organizing the plot. A series of meetings occurred in early 1999, involving Mohammed, bin Laden, and his deputy Mohammed Atef. Atef provided operational support for the plot, including target selections and helping arrange travel for the hijackers. Bin Laden overruled Mohammed, rejecting some potential targets such as the U.S. Bank Tower in Los Angeles because, "there was not enough time to prepare for such an operation".
Bin Laden provided leadership and financial support for the plot, and was involved in selecting participants. Bin Laden initially selected Nawaf al-Hazmi and Khalid al-Mihdhar, both experienced jihadists who had fought in Bosnia. Hazmi and Mihdhar arrived in the United States in mid-January 2000. In spring 2000, Hazmi and Mihdhar took flying lessons in San Diego, California, but both spoke little English, did poorly with flying lessons, and eventually served as secondary ? or "muscle" ? hijackers.
In late 1999, a group of men from Hamburg, Germany, arrived in Afghanistan, including Mohamed Atta, Marwan al-Shehhi, Ziad Jarrah, and Ramzi bin al-Shibh. Bin Laden selected these men because they were educated, could speak English, and had experience living in the west. New recruits were routinely screened for special skills and al-Qaeda leaders consequently discovered that Hani Hanjour already had a commercial pilot's license.
Hanjour arrived in San Diego on December 8, 2000, joining Hazmi. They soon left for Arizona, where Hanjour took refresher training. Marwan al-Shehhi arrived at the end of May 2000, while Atta arrived on June 3, 2000, and Jarrah arrived on June 27, 2000. Bin al-Shibh applied several times for a visa to the United States, but as a Yemeni, he was rejected out of concerns he would overstay his visa and remain as an illegal immigrant. Bin al-Shibh stayed in Hamburg, providing coordination between Atta and Mohammed. The three Hamburg cell members all took pilot training in South Florida.
In spring 2001, the secondary hijackers began arriving in the United States. In July 2001, Atta met with bin al-Shibh in Spain, where they coordinated details of the plot, including final target selection. Bin al-Shibh also passed along bin Laden's wish for the attacks to be carried out as soon as possible.
Fuck, we know exactly what happen to the last detail.
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There is also no evidence that he was even still alive in the decade prior to that absurd charade in Abbottabad.
Turns out he was alive huh? Surprise.
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Pakistan ..., and then fought us and refused to turn him over...

The USA asked Pakistan to turn over Osama ???
That is news to me ..... I thought that the USA DID NOT WANT to talk to the Paki`s about that ...


I think you are doing a big mishmash of bits of facts from various situations... ( that refuse to turn over was supposively Afghanistan... )

Americans are amazingly ....
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That woman is a hero in my book - brass fucking balls to stand up and face the pres and heckle undaunted.

You right wingers who think Obama is a liberal crack me up - he's center-right on so many issues, especially the extreme injustice of Guantanamo.
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Old 05-24-2013, 06:04 PM   #36
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I dunno why they even flew to Abbottabad. They could have just claimed to have flown there and people would swallow it.

Hell, they could have claimed to have killed him at Santa's polar workshop -- at least NORAD can track flying reindeer, if not hijacked planes -- which would have been more credible than killing him, dumping him in the sea and failing to produce any photographic or video evidence. Of course. He's only world's most wanted man.

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Fuck, we know exactly what happen to the last detail.
That crock wouldn't even pass muster as a Wikipedia entry, let alone as hard evidence. They know every last detail, they know Bin Laden "gave approval", but they don't even know which year he did it?
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"don't listen to what SHE SAID listen to what I SAID"
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They need to Fix USA first and quit taking away all our rights.
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Old 05-24-2013, 08:11 PM   #39
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FYI that was Rachel Maddow.
Yeah I know, she blurts one thing on her White House scripted show, but she does another in Real.
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Old 05-24-2013, 08:12 PM   #40
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You need somewhere to send your drones so as you can justify buying them from the War Profiteers with taxpayers money, to repay the War Profiteers for funding your political campaign, that's what Pakistan is for and why they need to keep it unstable.

This is why it was so important to kill off Benazir Bhutto as she would have brought stability to the region.
this is great logic being displayed again.
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Old 05-24-2013, 08:16 PM   #41
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FYI that was Rachel Maddow.
Yeah I know, she blurts one thing on her White House scripted show, but she does another in Real.
That name again
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All I see is that you are smoking some good crack. The 19 guys who "did it", that we blame "alone", all died in the attack (well, apparently they didn't but that's another story ). Therefore everyone else we 'retaliated' against for the attack (particularly in Iraq and Afghanistan) is patently innocent.

Not only is there not one shred of evidence that Bin Laden was involved in 9/11 -- which is why Afghanistan quite rightly refused to hand him over to us, even though they were prepared to do so -- he flat out denied he was involved as soon as it happened.

There is also no evidence that he was even still alive in the decade prior to that absurd charade in Abbottabad.
kook using kook sites for evidence again.. trying to join the kook fallen club are we?
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They need to Fix USA first and quit taking away all our rights.
Yes, they keep taking away our rights. First Bush, and now Obama.
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They attacked us... Al-Qaeda did.
The same Al Qaeda we created and are currently supporting in Libya.
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She's an idiot, but Obama handled the situation like a gentleman and professional. How he keeps from going apeshit is amazing.
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That woman is a hero in my book - brass fucking balls to stand up and face the pres and heckle undaunted.

You right wingers who think Obama is a liberal crack me up - he's center-right on so many issues, especially the extreme injustice of Guantanamo.
I agree

She knew as soon as she stopped speaking, he would belittle her (which he did), so she powered through until she said what she wanted to say. Well done to her.
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The same Al Qaeda we created and are currently supporting in Libya.
But that's not true. The US didn't "create" Al Qaeda. The group was founded and funded by Osama bin Laden. We can trace it's start to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, towards the very end of the invasion, and while the US did fund and support the Afghan Mujahideen in general it's a far stretch to say the US created or even supported Al Qaeda.
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2,753 innocent lives lost on 9/11/2001 as a result of a terrorist attack....

19 people the US held responsible for the terrorist attack.

1 country withholds the prime suspect in the terrorist attack.

194 civilians died in 19 drone attacks by the US.

313.9 million people blamed for those deaths.


Edit: see where I am going with this? The US gets attacked and we figure out who was behind it and blame them and them alone... We retaliate and casualties of war happen (always happens) and all of the sudden the US is a big bad country just looking to kill innocent people for no reason other than control.

Nah, killing 125 000+ people that HAD NOTHIGN TO DO with 9/11, that's just spreading democracy, one bomb at a time.
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But that's not true. The US didn't "create" Al Qaeda. The group was founded and funded by Osama bin Laden. We can trace it's start to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, towards the very end of the invasion, and while the US did fund and support the Afghan Mujahideen in general it's a far stretch to say the US created or even supported Al Qaeda.
Al Qaeda is "The database" of Mujahideen. And it's pretty much publicly admitted we are supporting Al Qaeda in Libya.
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