Let me try to answer the questions that would make everyone happy.

Here is our term:
http://www.datinggold.com/info.php?show=programs

Pay Per Free Signup
Also known as PPL or Pay Per Lead and PPF or Pay Per Free.
Earn commission for every male user that signs up and verifies his account.
This program is restricted to US, Canada and Australia male users only.

Pay Per Registration
Widely known as Pay Per Single Opt in.
Earn commission for every male user that signs up on our site(s).
Of course, we need to make sure that your traffic maintains over 50% confirmation ratio in order for us to allow you to participate. The higher confirmation rate you send to us the higher the rate we can offer you. This program is restricted to US, Canada and Australia male users only.

Because we are mostly dating, the term above is more for our Dating Programs.

On the cams, gender doesn't play in determining whether the leads is counted or not.

So to answer that question:
A lead is counted when a surfer signs up and check their email and click the link to confirm.

A single opt-in lead (available on dating only at this point), tracks the lead as soon as they complete the form. This program is mostly available for CPA networks who has affiliates that have been proven to be legit.
We also can target Age, and Geo Location with CPA networks.

As far as asking his account, we wanted to make sure that his statement is not base on assumption.
And if we are in the wrong, we can fix it.

If you run a program and someone posted that your program scams people, would you not ask he same question?

:thumbsup:thumbsup tofu!

That is how the system supposedly works without shaving, I have an account with a whitelabel and the stats just disappears, and the site was getting traffic.

I still wonder what happened here though?

It will be interesting to see LRS's response.

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Let me help you. Here is what's "happening" with you in 99% of anything you post or say on this forum. Excuse excuse excuse. Blame blame blame. Shaving shaving shaving. Tubes tubes tubes.

Here's what others that actually make money are doing...

... Plan plan plan. Build build build. Test test test. Build build build. Test test test. Build build build. Test test test.

Your whole existence here is nothing but to validate your own personal need to both externalize and lay blame for all your failures at the feet of others. You're weak. You choose to be weak. Every time you post, you express your weakness.

I dont promote much dating but is it normal to only pay for MALE signups?

Trust is a part of it as well - Its hard to 'plan, plan, plan' if you can not trust who you are doing business with - Glad DG sorted this out...

My point is that you can't trust anyone. Its 100% irrelevant. You can trust in your conversions, your sales and in working up to quicker and higher payouts.

But when you're a personality like many here who is ALWAYS looking for a reason not to trust and ALWAYS looking for what external thing to blame.. then there is no point in sending anyone a single hit.

The message is horrible.... "where are my pennies" vs "how can i make dollars"

Yes, if you don't trust is better not doing bussiness. If you're OK with shaving is your decision.

Of course, women have no credit card law doesn't allow them to have one in Canada, USA, Australia etc.... :upsidedow and obviously on a sex dating site you don't want real female profile!

Well.... if i am buying traffic and I spend X, and I make X and i am happy with that, then i personally don't give a fuck how much people steal. I can't change them and this business is full of thieving assholes.

The only accurate and reliable information you'll ever have is how many hits you send and what you make per hit. That's it. Everything in between or "what they must be doing" is irrelevant. All you can do is make the most money per unique. Writing off great sponsors that pay well and convert really well because of some losing moral and ethical argument, though they make you the most money per unique is silly.

Again I agree - BUT - Its best to do business with those that you trust most - Even if its a guessing game in this biz...

Use the info you can get from places like GFY and make the best judgement you can.

Is 40% from someone you have some faith in better than 50% from someone you have concerns about? - I think the 40% is better for the 'plan'.....

It looks to me like you just threw a hissy fit because I dared to have an opinion different than yours. Why are YOU so threatened to the point where you post rants like this? Just use the ignore feature if I piss you off this badly. You may as well because I'm probably just going to piss you off more in the future.

That is how YOU choose to run YOUR business. It is not necessarily how others have to do business. You aren't necessarily more right than anyone else. In fact I happen to think it's pretty short sighted. It's thinking only in the present. But it's your business and your choice. If all you are doing is buying traffic and sending it to PPS programs that might work out great for you. But not all of us are doing that. We are aiming for more long term relationships and revenue with sponsors and we don't like constantly having to remove sponsors. So we go with a different philosophy.

You can't trust anyone. Period. The best people close up shop and disappear at a moments notice all the time. The only thing you can trust is data and earnings. Making it emotional and making it about false, subjective things like "faith", takes your eyes off the data and your ability to grow your income.

Your opinion is ALWAYS the same. Everyone is screwing you over. End of story. You are a victim. You accept no responsibility. You do not hold yourself accountable. You blame others for everything.

I am not pissed off about anything. I am doing others a favor in pointing out that there is ZERO benefit to listening to broke losers like you CONSTANTLY prattle on about how everything is unfair and unjust and how everyone is taking advantage of you and "causing" you to lose money.

Only failures are blaming others. Successful people are being being successful, busy building, designing, implementing, planning, analyzing, building more... etc.

You can't be successsful in the long term with shaving sponsors, today shaves a small part of the $ and tomorrow a big one or all the $.

Of course you're pissed off. Look at your rant. There is ten times as much anger in it than anything I've ever posted here. What I post are my opinions about the business and sponsors. I don't carry on with ridiculous attacks against people personally and say all this crazy shit about them when in reality I don't know who they are.

Look. You may not care if someone is cheating you. You may not care that others are being cheated. You have your data and all. So worry about your own business then. Who the hell are you tell us we can't talk or ask questions about what sponsors are doing? That is what these forums used to be about. Discussing sponsors and things like this. Why does anyone here have to get your approval to ask a question? Enough already. Go look at your data instead of telling us what we can and can't say or think.

Bingo. If your focus is long term and you plan to be doing this for a while it matters. If you just buy traffic and send it to PPS programs where you can switch stuff around in three seconds maybe you don't care. I think it's a mistake and over ten years in this industry tells me that but it's your choice. Hopefully you don't get fucked over too much.

If they don't shave or scrub, then they have traffic leaks, or poor credit card processing or a host of other issues. Cookie tracking? Ip Tracking, etc.

As an affiliate you are fucked lots of ways, like someone else mentioned, you should be tracking YOUR hits in/out and Sponsor $$$ Made.

Any other stat is pretty much useless.

Shaving questions have always been idiotic. Affiliate marketing is an auction. You send your traffic to the sponsor who pays the highest $/unique without damaging your traffic or killing off your bookmarkers.

If sponsor A pays X per 10,000 uniques and sponsor B pays 2.5X per 10,000 uniques, your traffic earns more with sponsor B and the analysis is done. All the other supposed 'complications' are minor distractions and little else. If your traffic doesn't earn money anywhere, it isnt really traffic at all, now is it...

4 users told me they signed up and verified email. I got 1 lead.
I asked my friend who lives in Texas, US that was looking for cam girls to use my aff link, never got a lead.

there is no way for me to see your source code and prove you are shaving like crazy but where in the hell are my leads?

if its not the male/female then check your "fire pixel" thing cus it works 30% of the time!

Im not new to this type of traffic or webcam or dating.. i've had tons of experience and I know my users.. I used to work hand in hand with LC and with AJ and after he left LC i moved my traffic to other places but here's a two weeks period in 2009

http://imageshack.us/a/img19/5466/janstats.jpg

Nice stats. Hope you didn't spend over 40k on ads :winkwink: JK

ive seen those stats before

Uhm... all you do is blame others and sing a never ending, sad tune about why everyone and everything else causes you to fail. Thats how we all know you are a loser.

why would you not want to pay on females?

I was thinking the same thing. I thought females would be worth a lot more to a dating site.

When its about promoting webcams - female = fraud/stolen card almost always.

I don't blame others. It's more speaking out. It used to be that when someone cheated another person here we would all jump in and lend some support. The idea was when you got cheated others would do the same for you. That's what I'm all about. But then again I think that sort of thing is dying as the good people leave the industry.

I forgot that yours is a troll moniker. In fact I have a pretty good idea about what a couple of your old names were. It doesn't matter. I really don't give a shit who you are. Welcome to my ignore list.

Usually they are. AFF pays more for females on the bonus. Are they really not paying anything or are they giving credit for these type of signups on revshare basis only?

Yes, all your negative, accusatory and "woe is me" BS, day in and day out is actually you just trying to help others. Of course it is. I don't have to see your bank deposits to know you are a failure because successful people don't think or act like you do. I understand you wanting to put me on ignore... the truth can be brutal sometimes. Much easier to run from it and hide from it, than confront it.

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You guys should get a room...

TheSquealer appears to have a superiority complex, and don't tolerate that others think different an call it "losers" just because they exposed the shaving tactis of Dating Gold.

It sounds like you pretty much have an idea of what went on. If you wanted you could give them your account and let them try to explain why you never got credit for the leads but I wouldn't blame you one bit for not bothering. Thanks for sharing your experience. I doubt many would have the balls to do it.

I am superior to many here. Superior because i don't go through life believing i am always a victim. I adapt, I change, I move forward and keep growing my income while certain people on this forum busy themselves day and in day out about talking about why others cause them to fail.

LRS don't blame Dating Gold for not convert, It expose a scam or shaving tactic for not count a lead that was done.

If you were superior you would have left this thread without typing a damn thing...

Make sure you run your own stats always, look on RPC or RPM only and rotate the offers you push . I love DG they perform very well for us, but again we also rotate about 10 offers in the geo's they support. This avoids saturation and you have backup offers in case users already subscribed there.

So look at your RPC's, thats all what counts.