If they don't shave or scrub, then they have traffic leaks, or poor credit card processing or a host of other issues. Cookie tracking? Ip Tracking, etc.

As an affiliate you are fucked lots of ways, like someone else mentioned, you should be tracking YOUR hits in/out and Sponsor $$$ Made.

Any other stat is pretty much useless.

Shaving questions have always been idiotic. Affiliate marketing is an auction. You send your traffic to the sponsor who pays the highest $/unique without damaging your traffic or killing off your bookmarkers.

If sponsor A pays X per 10,000 uniques and sponsor B pays 2.5X per 10,000 uniques, your traffic earns more with sponsor B and the analysis is done. All the other supposed 'complications' are minor distractions and little else. If your traffic doesn't earn money anywhere, it isnt really traffic at all, now is it...

4 users told me they signed up and verified email. I got 1 lead.
I asked my friend who lives in Texas, US that was looking for cam girls to use my aff link, never got a lead.

there is no way for me to see your source code and prove you are shaving like crazy but where in the hell are my leads?

if its not the male/female then check your "fire pixel" thing cus it works 30% of the time!

Im not new to this type of traffic or webcam or dating.. i've had tons of experience and I know my users.. I used to work hand in hand with LC and with AJ and after he left LC i moved my traffic to other places but here's a two weeks period in 2009

http://imageshack.us/a/img19/5466/janstats.jpg

Nice stats. Hope you didn't spend over 40k on ads :winkwink: JK

ive seen those stats before

Uhm... all you do is blame others and sing a never ending, sad tune about why everyone and everything else causes you to fail. Thats how we all know you are a loser.

why would you not want to pay on females?

I was thinking the same thing. I thought females would be worth a lot more to a dating site.

When its about promoting webcams - female = fraud/stolen card almost always.

I don't blame others. It's more speaking out. It used to be that when someone cheated another person here we would all jump in and lend some support. The idea was when you got cheated others would do the same for you. That's what I'm all about. But then again I think that sort of thing is dying as the good people leave the industry.

I forgot that yours is a troll moniker. In fact I have a pretty good idea about what a couple of your old names were. It doesn't matter. I really don't give a shit who you are. Welcome to my ignore list.

Usually they are. AFF pays more for females on the bonus. Are they really not paying anything or are they giving credit for these type of signups on revshare basis only?

Yes, all your negative, accusatory and "woe is me" BS, day in and day out is actually you just trying to help others. Of course it is. I don't have to see your bank deposits to know you are a failure because successful people don't think or act like you do. I understand you wanting to put me on ignore... the truth can be brutal sometimes. Much easier to run from it and hide from it, than confront it.

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You guys should get a room...

TheSquealer appears to have a superiority complex, and don't tolerate that others think different an call it "losers" just because they exposed the shaving tactis of Dating Gold.

It sounds like you pretty much have an idea of what went on. If you wanted you could give them your account and let them try to explain why you never got credit for the leads but I wouldn't blame you one bit for not bothering. Thanks for sharing your experience. I doubt many would have the balls to do it.

I am superior to many here. Superior because i don't go through life believing i am always a victim. I adapt, I change, I move forward and keep growing my income while certain people on this forum busy themselves day and in day out about talking about why others cause them to fail.

LRS don't blame Dating Gold for not convert, It expose a scam or shaving tactic for not count a lead that was done.

If you were superior you would have left this thread without typing a damn thing...

Make sure you run your own stats always, look on RPC or RPM only and rotate the offers you push . I love DG they perform very well for us, but again we also rotate about 10 offers in the geo's they support. This avoids saturation and you have backup offers in case users already subscribed there.

So look at your RPC's, thats all what counts.

Woww.. haha.. what the fuck? Your English went from really good to totally retarded in just one post.

I still don't get it.

We had it on our term about the male leads.
We aren't paying for female leads because female traffic tend to be fraud when it comes to affiliates. We can't pay PPL on female and we can't pay revshare either because we don't charge female users.
We have our own media buy for female acquisitions.

The cams leads are NOT gender oriented on this case.
LRS refused to give us his account so we can investigate it.

What did he actually expose?
He's making a statement without having solid proof.
Don't we have the right to check what is actually going on with his account?

His statement about us scamming people is very strong here. We're willing to investigate more on what happened but he refused to do so.

Does anybody know what LRS real name is so I can search him in our database.

Yea my thoughts exactly :winkwink:

Kinda reminds me of this thread by Pr0 back in the day: https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=885804

Too bad the image link is not working :winkwink:

Is not just LRS, I have an old account on DG with a white label that was getting traffic and in the dashboard was not showing any activity in the stats. It just appears that something fishy happened in the background. And now LRS saying that just confirms it.

I believe they said the webcam ppl was not gender oriented, so both genders get paid. Seems this whole ruckus was simply because DG accidentally had the "male" only stipulation listed in their webcam ppl program and that didn't jive with their webcam ppl join form. A quick clear clarification of this on the first page would have quickly stopped all these references to shaving.

I can see why they don't pay out on female dating leads as its often affiliate fraud or simply a fake profile, even though as others have said, there's a few other dating programs that pay out a premium for female signups.

Seemed eerily familiar to the stats pr0 used to post, which many believed were in house stats.

pr0's did serious $$$ and I think the stats are right on.

I was never able to get better then 1:20, but his method of traffic generation, it's for sure possible.

No idea what the dude is doing nowdays.

Yeah I know he and his partners were pushing lots of blackhat traffic. After a few months, google changed, his methods dried up and last I heard he had moved on to mainstream and other ventures.

Looks like pr0's stats right?

I have to say AK does have a point - the OP is calling straight Rip Off in the title but wont show his hand so the accused can look into it?

This sounds like a variation of the old "don't worry about how much you're being shaved, worry about how big your checks are" saying. Yes Mr Program, you can continue fucking my ass so long as your payout amounts are plausible. If you're gentle I'll probably never even feel it. :pimp

First of all... it has not been shown that anyone shaved anyone. Second of all.... bitching about anyone doing anything isn't going to help your bottom line as much as worrying about your own business and THE THINGS YOU DO CONTROL. Lastly, this industry is full of short sighted, ignorant turds... no matter how many times a sponsor burns people.. no one cares as long as they are making money and in the grand scheme of things, history has shown time and time again that a few nobodies making fake threads do not change anyones behavior. Shaving is fraud... plain and simple. Who's been sued? No one. How many screenshots have been posted of admins that have shaving features? MPA offered it as a selling point for their software at one point.

Proof of anything? A screenshot that PR0 used to post which was revealed to not even be real as i recall. It wasn't too long after he was posting that he was begging for money to survive on this forum.

I get that people like JoeE et. al. used to be on the boards saying exactly that... "its about how much you make, not how much we shave"... but no amount of bitching caused a dysfunctional junkie or pathological liar or scam artist from running his business as he wanted.

There are two places you can focus your energy in life:
- your own success, the future, your income, testing, planning, building, hitting goals, the people you care about and so on

OR

- people can continue their incessant bitching, complaining, whining, blaming, finger pointing etc.

Only one of those makes you money no matter who you agree with and no matter who is right or wrong.

As long as it's true then it's a good excuse for not paying on female leads.

I don't know what him giving his account info would prove. Assuming you guys are honest maybe it would clear up a misunderstanding but if you aren't honest then there is no way it can turn out good for him. It's not like a dishonest company would ever admit to it and publicly apologize. :1orglaugh Historically usually what companies do is they try to sue or they threaten the person in some way in order to silence them.

All I can say is that if someone shaves webmasters or works for someone who does then I think they are shit. You can put a spin on it but I consider it to be FRAUD and it's stealing food off my family's table. There is no excuse for it and I honestly hope such people end up in prison. And if I ever get the chance to help make that happen I will bend over backwards to do it.

Typical douchebaggery from you. A guy makes a fake claim because he's a fucking retard. But it perfectly fits your narrative that everyone is causing you to be broke. He posts a screenshot from PR0 to give himself credibility even though that was revealed to be fake and PR0 himself was begging for money on this very forum soon after.

But yeah... you're right. Why should facts come out??? Why would you be interested in facts and the truth? People should just be able to call anyone a thief and thats all good in your world.

There's not way "facts" would be good for you at all. I think we all get that.

First they say that count all male and female and later that don't pay for female traffic due to tend be fraud.

LRS find it and never gonna accept it but they shave, is the decision of the webmaster if they want to promote an affiliate program with this tactics for "make more money" in the end always things like that comes to light.

Unless you are pr0, I call this bullsh*T those stats been posted by him before.

Whoa... haha... suddenly again you went back to English as a 3rd language. Funny stuff.

If I make a post that says signupdamnit is a fraud. Wouldn't you want to know why?
Wouldn't you want to ask for proof?

LRS posted something like this and refuse to give us his account so we can clear out what happened.

And the stats that he posted showed was similar stats that pr0 had in 2009.
What does that mean? Why is his stats from 2009?

Why couldn't LRS post his DGstats and compared it to his own traffic stats.

I am starting to feel like LRS is from our competitor, but he's promoting LoadedCash which I believe we have good relationship, so that couldn't be.
We'll never know.

All I am looking for is the proof that we scammed him.


The difference between you and LRS is that you didn't make the thread about us scamming people. He did, and so far refusing to give us proof.

You had an opinion to yourself, and you have the right to do so.
We have stopped offering whitelabels for our dating, if you can show me you have stats and traffic to your whitelabel with us, I'd be more than happy to look into it and do what's fair.

I looked at your homepage from your profile and searched you in our system.

If the account I found was you, then you had 0 hits since 1/1/12-present.
At this point, there is no reason for me to research stats any earlier than that.

Webcams leads are not dependent on gender.
Our webcam users are not required to have a profile page.

Our dating sites do need to have gender on the users profiles.
And our PPL term is clear that we pay on male users, again this is dating term.

On Webcams, it is not gender base, so it will be counted as leads.

So in his case, he is claiming that his leads are not counted because of the 'male' term that we have on our site.
We are saying that is NOT the case for cams.

So we need to figure out why his "friends" leads are not counted.
I can't figure that out if he's not willing to give his account to us.

And if he is pr0, I can't think of anything that he would do that.
Last time I sat down with pr0 was in Miami Internext like 5-6 years ago.
We bought him and his friends passes to the show.

LRS, if you are pr0, you know how to contact me.

If you aren't pr0, do you have your current stats with Loadedcash?

I start promotig the Pay Per Lead from May 5 to 6 in a website with 12,000 unique visitors per day and only gets this stats of uniques in these days using the best adspots that i have i send at least 500 uniques and the Dating Gold shows only 3 and 6 and not only that the old whitelabel of cams that i have don't show any traffic and I was sending traffic in that domain.

http://i.imgur.com/7IsOGaT.jpg

There is a double standard, yes. You are free to call affiliates scammers or frauds without proof. In a way you did that here:

https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=19634794&postcount=28

But he did much the same thing to you earlier.

I understand why you want his account. But at the same time I get why he wouldn't want to provide it. If he's reasonably sure you are dishonest then he has nothing to gain by doing that.

In the end he can't prove shaving unless he personally knows the people doing the tests and has them document it. And if he has all that info you can just claim he tried to cheat you as did earlier. It's very difficult to prove. You can only provide evidence and it still comes down to credibility. Even if he gets five people to provide sworn statements you could just as easily claim they are lying and it's a conspiracy from your competitor. See how it works?

I'm not sure what's up with the stats. I remember pr0's stats were something like that but my memory isn't that good where I can say they are exactly the same as the ones he posted. The original image is down.

One thing I keep in mind when I read accusations like this from people who aren't new trolls is that no webmaster wants to come out and say stuff like this about a sponsor. We all know we risk getting banned and we know there is a good chance we won't get paid anything more from that company. Hell some might even try to send someone to our house to fuck with us. He's one guy. You're a multi-million dollar company. It's David versus Goliath. We'd rather just shut up and collect the checks-- assuming we are getting a fair deal. Going to war with the sponsor is the last thing we want.

Anyway I wish it would turn out to be a misunderstanding.

Fuck off with the scammers I don't care if i get banned, now my account needs a new password don't trust this morons of Dating Gold. :)

Gee, and here I was thinking you are just another insane idiot. Turns out, you have 9 hits that you can send to any sponsor you choose... you are bold enough to prove it!

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Hahaha that doesnt is the reality i send at least 500 uniques for test I make thousands with other sponsors really trusted not like DG :) Thats why DG is scamming the webmasters

The trusted sponsors of all the time is AFF, since the Legendary Liars not like your shit company like DG

I send much more traffic just for test the PPL, but when i see that doesn't reflect the reality I just remove that shit. Thats why LRS is saying the true.

Thanks LRS for let the webmasters know the true bro

After 3 pages of thread there is no evidence and the guy making the shaving claim does not want or can provide any evidence of the shaving. All what we know, he got a friend in Texas.

Trust blindy in DG and don't do anything is your own risk.