Dating Gold please just answer the question:

Do you require someone to update their profile to show gender (male) prior to crediting the affiliate???

You are being accused of something very specific and demanding to see his account prior to responding to this accusation seems pretty evasive.

99.9% of the dating programs now have something "special" to break even.

It's a reality now sadly

I never thought that they will do this if ever this is true!

If this is true its total bullshit is there any honest people left or was there any to begin with

imagine how much money webmasters have lost because of this if it were true. really sad...

2012 is when my dating income started dropping even though the traffic quality and amount were constant.

Lets see what DG say - They wont be around for a few hours yet...

They are one of the most used and top performing adult dating sponsors online today with many of the best converting SOI and DOI offers. Their sites are also marketed by countless 3rd party networks and all over the most expensive poc traffic sources in the adult market.

So here's an idea. Abandon your retarded fantasies about why you fail at everything and spend more time thinking about chasing Dollars rather than about how you think someone might be "stealing" pennies.

I understand that not everyone in life gets to be an astronaut or cowboy or a famous rock star but some of you could either at least try to better yourselves or... just start being honest and give up and call it a life.

Btw, tofu has no clue who I am other than being a retarded Skype name in his contacts. Before I sent even a single click, he was on the ball, got me set up with what I asked for in minutes. He's always available and eager to help. If you actually had a question, he could answer it and help you. If your complaint is about something that affects everyone including those paying top dollars for clicks and still double and triple their money, then you should seriously consider calling it a life.

Simply put - If a sign up needs to fill in even a portion of the profile after double opt-in to get paid then the program is not 'as sold' - That's simple...

If that applies to single opt-in then there is no difference between single and double - That's simple as well.....

You then have to ask 'Do DG give me more $s for my traffic than anyone else' - Simple...

'They do pay me more but I can't trust them to report correct stats' - Not so simple.....

They all shave affiliates, there is no system to control that.

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1) payouts are always negotiated with every sponsor
2) it all is what it is.
3) many people are making 4/5 figures a day with the same exact sites and programs others complain about every single day..... it's a choice as to how one wants to spend their time and energy.

There aren't many left. Especially as you move up the ladder.

I know what you are saying - I agree - There has to be an element of trust though...

Personally, I would rather earn a few $s less and deal with a sponsor that I trust 100%.....

Remember that not all affiliates on GFY are 'Whales' and they (me) need to trust what we are told...

Edit: That is aimed industry wide - Not at DG - We will see what they have to say later.

So what you are saying is that webmasters should turn a blind eye to money being stolen and just work on sending more traffic to compensate for lost revenue?

What a stupid post.

Agree, what a retard.

In fairness to DG, this is only for their new webcam ppl that they just rolled out and have only been offering to a few webmasters so I doubt that many have been affected.

Yes. If a bad sponsor would cheat you out of 20% of your signups at five a month what makes you think they wouldn't cheat you out of 80% of your signups at 50 a month? Sometimes affiliates are quite naive. You can never trust a crook to be anything other than a crook.

The male only rule is for dating as well...

I have looked at a few of the sign up pages and it seems they all ask for gender - It will be interesting to see what they say.....

I'm not going to condemn them yet...

If a man steals your car radio do you still invite him into your house thinking it's okay because he's never stolen anything from your home before, only your car? I don't know what is true here but if it's shown that these type of shenanigans occurred then it's a black mark on the entire program and everything else that they own or will own.

Datinggold is a pleasure to work with . They are very good at getting back and staying on top of things.

It seems like a mix up to me.
Good luck

Well for dating it would make a lot more sense as completing a profile is something an active user would fill out after signing up. However, a webcam profile is generally not something a free user is going to go in and edit after signing up for a free account.

The few dating promo pages I just looked at ask what gender - So that's not a problem...

The issue with the cam sites could be connected to that - If the cam sites are not asking on promo pages about gender then I can see that being an issue if they need to confirm they are male before payment.....

That could be a case of them applying old rules to a new program where it doesn't fit.

That's exactly what I was thinking occurred. Although for years DG did have a $1 ppl for Webcamclub, but I don't recall the rules having the "male" profile stipulation.

The funniest part d these discussions as with most in adult is that instead of rigorous testing, understanding the data and getting your conversions from 1:100 to 1:10 on the same traffic - you guys will waste time accusing people of stealing to explain your failure. You control what you do. You are responsible for the outcome.

... "Between stimulous and response, there is a space.. The choices you make in that space will ultimately determine your quality of life". You can bitch, whine and complain and blame others, or you could deeper your time to understanding why some people are extremely successful, consistently, over long periods of time and why others leave nothing but a wake of failure, blame and excuses.

Who says we don't do that?

I've answered that, in my first response. Let me take you all through the http://webcamclub.com signup process, so there is no confusion. This is the same
process we use to verify that pixels are firing:

1. User lands on your user page.

2. Member simply signs up, putting in his/her user name, password, email address and
date of birth [this would be where a single opt join would happen, if WCC offered SOI].

3. Member must go to his/her email account that he/she used to sign up, via your
landing page. There is a big blue button, prompting the user to confirm the sign up.

4. User clicks the button and is whisked away to a confirmation page [this is where the
pixel fires, if one has been implemented. Thus, giving the affiliate/pub credit for 1 (one)
double opt-in webcamclub lead and is tracked in DG stats page, under "Lead", appearing up to 15 minutes after lead was confirmed.

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The gender has nothing to do with an affiliate or pub receiving credit for a double opt-in lead, for webcamclub. The "males only" rule applies to our dating program and is not
applicable on our webcams, because gender is irrelevant. It's turning them into paying
customers that we are focused on doing.

Perfect - Thanks for clearing that up....

Makes sense :thumbsup

There it is.

Thanks for the clarification.

Let me try to answer the questions that would make everyone happy.

Here is our term:
http://www.datinggold.com/info.php?show=programs

Pay Per Free Signup
Also known as PPL or Pay Per Lead and PPF or Pay Per Free.
Earn commission for every male user that signs up and verifies his account.
This program is restricted to US, Canada and Australia male users only.

Pay Per Registration
Widely known as Pay Per Single Opt in.
Earn commission for every male user that signs up on our site(s).
Of course, we need to make sure that your traffic maintains over 50% confirmation ratio in order for us to allow you to participate. The higher confirmation rate you send to us the higher the rate we can offer you. This program is restricted to US, Canada and Australia male users only.

Because we are mostly dating, the term above is more for our Dating Programs.

On the cams, gender doesn't play in determining whether the leads is counted or not.

So to answer that question:
A lead is counted when a surfer signs up and check their email and click the link to confirm.

A single opt-in lead (available on dating only at this point), tracks the lead as soon as they complete the form. This program is mostly available for CPA networks who has affiliates that have been proven to be legit.
We also can target Age, and Geo Location with CPA networks.

As far as asking his account, we wanted to make sure that his statement is not base on assumption.
And if we are in the wrong, we can fix it.

If you run a program and someone posted that your program scams people, would you not ask he same question?

:thumbsup:thumbsup tofu!

That is how the system supposedly works without shaving, I have an account with a whitelabel and the stats just disappears, and the site was getting traffic.

I still wonder what happened here though?

It will be interesting to see LRS's response.

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Let me help you. Here is what's "happening" with you in 99% of anything you post or say on this forum. Excuse excuse excuse. Blame blame blame. Shaving shaving shaving. Tubes tubes tubes.

Here's what others that actually make money are doing...

... Plan plan plan. Build build build. Test test test. Build build build. Test test test. Build build build. Test test test.

Your whole existence here is nothing but to validate your own personal need to both externalize and lay blame for all your failures at the feet of others. You're weak. You choose to be weak. Every time you post, you express your weakness.

I dont promote much dating but is it normal to only pay for MALE signups?

Trust is a part of it as well - Its hard to 'plan, plan, plan' if you can not trust who you are doing business with - Glad DG sorted this out...

My point is that you can't trust anyone. Its 100% irrelevant. You can trust in your conversions, your sales and in working up to quicker and higher payouts.

But when you're a personality like many here who is ALWAYS looking for a reason not to trust and ALWAYS looking for what external thing to blame.. then there is no point in sending anyone a single hit.

The message is horrible.... "where are my pennies" vs "how can i make dollars"

Yes, if you don't trust is better not doing bussiness. If you're OK with shaving is your decision.

Of course, women have no credit card law doesn't allow them to have one in Canada, USA, Australia etc.... :upsidedow and obviously on a sex dating site you don't want real female profile!

Well.... if i am buying traffic and I spend X, and I make X and i am happy with that, then i personally don't give a fuck how much people steal. I can't change them and this business is full of thieving assholes.

The only accurate and reliable information you'll ever have is how many hits you send and what you make per hit. That's it. Everything in between or "what they must be doing" is irrelevant. All you can do is make the most money per unique. Writing off great sponsors that pay well and convert really well because of some losing moral and ethical argument, though they make you the most money per unique is silly.

Again I agree - BUT - Its best to do business with those that you trust most - Even if its a guessing game in this biz...

Use the info you can get from places like GFY and make the best judgement you can.

Is 40% from someone you have some faith in better than 50% from someone you have concerns about? - I think the 40% is better for the 'plan'.....

It looks to me like you just threw a hissy fit because I dared to have an opinion different than yours. Why are YOU so threatened to the point where you post rants like this? Just use the ignore feature if I piss you off this badly. You may as well because I'm probably just going to piss you off more in the future.

That is how YOU choose to run YOUR business. It is not necessarily how others have to do business. You aren't necessarily more right than anyone else. In fact I happen to think it's pretty short sighted. It's thinking only in the present. But it's your business and your choice. If all you are doing is buying traffic and sending it to PPS programs that might work out great for you. But not all of us are doing that. We are aiming for more long term relationships and revenue with sponsors and we don't like constantly having to remove sponsors. So we go with a different philosophy.

You can't trust anyone. Period. The best people close up shop and disappear at a moments notice all the time. The only thing you can trust is data and earnings. Making it emotional and making it about false, subjective things like "faith", takes your eyes off the data and your ability to grow your income.

Your opinion is ALWAYS the same. Everyone is screwing you over. End of story. You are a victim. You accept no responsibility. You do not hold yourself accountable. You blame others for everything.

I am not pissed off about anything. I am doing others a favor in pointing out that there is ZERO benefit to listening to broke losers like you CONSTANTLY prattle on about how everything is unfair and unjust and how everyone is taking advantage of you and "causing" you to lose money.

Only failures are blaming others. Successful people are being being successful, busy building, designing, implementing, planning, analyzing, building more... etc.

You can't be successsful in the long term with shaving sponsors, today shaves a small part of the $ and tomorrow a big one or all the $.

Of course you're pissed off. Look at your rant. There is ten times as much anger in it than anything I've ever posted here. What I post are my opinions about the business and sponsors. I don't carry on with ridiculous attacks against people personally and say all this crazy shit about them when in reality I don't know who they are.

Look. You may not care if someone is cheating you. You may not care that others are being cheated. You have your data and all. So worry about your own business then. Who the hell are you tell us we can't talk or ask questions about what sponsors are doing? That is what these forums used to be about. Discussing sponsors and things like this. Why does anyone here have to get your approval to ask a question? Enough already. Go look at your data instead of telling us what we can and can't say or think.

Bingo. If your focus is long term and you plan to be doing this for a while it matters. If you just buy traffic and send it to PPS programs where you can switch stuff around in three seconds maybe you don't care. I think it's a mistake and over ten years in this industry tells me that but it's your choice. Hopefully you don't get fucked over too much.