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Amputate Your Head · 02-24-2003, 10:49 PM

anyone ever been an extra in movie? Or on tv maybe?

Juicy D. Links · 02-24-2003, 10:50 PM

I was a stunt cock in several midget pornos

xxxdesign-net · 02-24-2003, 10:53 PM

I was in one of Richard Simmons Infomercial Dance Video "Groove To Loose!!"

TDF · 02-24-2003, 10:53 PM

I was featured on Russell Simmon's show One World...

Rocky · 02-24-2003, 10:54 PM

yes

it started when i loaned John Boorman my paintings for his movie, Where The Heart Is and they asked me to be an extra in the movie for a week

did more over the year while i was still a student and then got an agent and started doing tv commercials and small parts in movies and television

but that was a looooooooong time ago

why do you ask?

corvette · 02-24-2003, 10:57 PM

Rocky · 02-24-2003, 10:57 PM

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you were in X-Men?

Peaches · 02-24-2003, 10:58 PM

My Dad and his car were in Hulk Hogan's "No Holds Barred"

They were filming at his office and wanted to use his car and somehow he ended up in an office scene. It's probably the worst movie ever made, lol!

My cousin was a news anchor in Cast Away, but that's because she's a news anchor.

I've not been in anything - I only brush up to greatness

TDF · 02-24-2003, 11:00 PM

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Originally posted by Peaches
My Dad and his car were in Hulk Hogan's "No Holds Barred" They were filming at his office and wanted to use his car and somehow he ended up in an office scene. It's probably the worst movie ever made, lol!

My cousin was a news anchor in Cast Away, but that's because she's a news anchor.

I've not been in anything - I only brush up to greatness

i remember paying to see that movie...Zeus is my hero!

SleazyDream · 02-24-2003, 11:00 PM

i was on the news once

Makingcoin · 02-24-2003, 11:00 PM

I was in a pilot for nickelodeon called "No Adults Allowed" when I was in highschool.

It never took off.

playa · 02-24-2003, 11:01 PM

I was at a comedy show taping,,

there was quick glimpse of me on TV

so i got like 4 seconds of fame so far

Amputate Your Head · 02-24-2003, 11:01 PM

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Originally posted by Rocky
why do you ask?

just curious... I think that'd be cool to be in a movie.... even if only for a second or two....

Amputate Your Head · 02-24-2003, 11:02 PM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream
i was on the news once

me too... had a whole news piece about me... lasted for about 4 minutes... and I had a radio feature on me once too... lasted about a minute and a half. Also made the front page of a newspaper once... full color, whole front page.

Makingcoin · 02-24-2003, 11:03 PM

My line was 'Pass the ketchup!'

EscortBiz · 02-24-2003, 11:04 PM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head

just curious... I think that'd be cool to be in a movie.... even if only for a second or two....

If you would live in NYC you pretty much would be able to be an extra in many upcoming movies almsot on a weekly basis

Jak · 02-24-2003, 11:04 PM

OK, along these lines...

Who here is actually seriously pursuing an acting career, going to classes, auditioning for parts, etc?

/me raises hand.

pornjudge · 02-24-2003, 11:05 PM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
anyone ever been an extra in movie? Or on tv maybe?

I was on America's Most Wanted

Amputate Your Head · 02-24-2003, 11:06 PM

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Originally posted by Jak
OK, along these lines...

Who here is actually seriously pursuing an acting career, going to classes, auditioning for parts, etc?

/me raises hand.

I could never do that.... I would suck horribly at acting.

Rocky · 02-24-2003, 11:07 PM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head

just curious... I think that'd be cool to be in a movie.... even if only for a second or two....

it is cool

freaked my college buddies out when they went to see Body Parts and a close up of me filled the screen for about 3 seconds

but i prefer to now work behind the scenes

although working as an extra gave me the opportunity to share a few smokes with Uma Thurman (not a scene in the movie),

to get knocked on my ass by Brian Brown (a scene in the movie),

to hear Goldie Hawn swear like a sailor (not in the movie)

and to share a live stage with the Kids In The Hall

eroswebmaster · 02-24-2003, 11:10 PM

I was an extra in the Movie the abyss...but they cut the scenes out of the version released to the theatres, however it's still in the directors cut.

You can't see me all that well because there was about 50 of us.

Anyway it's the scene on the beach where people are running from the huge tidal wave.

To be an extra in Hollywood is a shit job. You get paid (87-89 rates) like $50-$70 a day MIGHT include a sack lunch. They treat you like you're the biggest fucking idiot to walk the planet, and I guess you are because you're doing this kind of shit work.

I only did this one job because the company I worked for used this small agency that provided extras and they needed some help.

Mutt · 02-24-2003, 11:10 PM

maybe for one day AMP but movie sets are incredibly boring, been on a few of them. One 30 second scene can basically take all day or all night.

EscortBiz · 02-24-2003, 11:10 PM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head

me too... had a whole news piece about me... lasted for about 4 minutes... and I had a radio feature on me once too... lasted about a minute and a half. Also made the front page of a newspaper once... full color, whole front page.

What was it about, sounds interesting

Amputate Your Head · 02-24-2003, 11:12 PM

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Originally posted by EscortBiz

What was it about, sounds interesting

the news piece was about Iraq / Persian Gulf War in '91... same for the newspaper front page piece...

the radio thing was for gaming... a reeeeeally long time ago... lol

Rocky · 02-24-2003, 11:13 PM

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Originally posted by Mutt
maybe for one day AMP but movie sets are incredibly boring, been on a few of them. One 30 second scene can basically take all day or all night.

tell me about it

we're shooting a tv commercial this week and a 60 second spot is going to take 4 full days of shooting

but the art department ROCKS!

btw - if you do decide to get extra work, ask for a voucher rather than a cash payout - you make more money

on a one day shoot with Cronenberg on Naked Lunch, i made about 350 dollars, which was pretty good money back in those days

Amputate Your Head · 02-24-2003, 11:14 PM

i would guess that on a movie set there's probly alot of waiting around...

asuna · 02-24-2003, 11:17 PM

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Originally posted by Peaches
My Dad and his car were in Hulk Hogan's "No Holds Barred" They were filming at his office and wanted to use his car

What kind of car?

Rocky · 02-24-2003, 11:19 PM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
i would guess that on a movie set there's probly alot of waiting around...

Craft Services (the food truck) becomes your best friend

the expression often heard on the set is, "hurry up and wait"

i'm sure RedShoe has a ton of stories to share about the movie experience

it's like working as a stage magician and learning how all of the tricks operate, the magic soon disappears

but it's a love of labor and i really LOVE making movies and television shows

MAGNET · 02-24-2003, 11:23 PM

I was in a porno once about a year ago the film was shot in Toronto I had 1 full scene with this Goth looking chick I actually had a lot of fun.. and believe me its not soo easy to act in those films you have to get your dick hard in front of all of those people looking at you!! But hey I did a fucking awesome job im sure I would have won an Oscar for best white skinny ass Goth looking bitches fucker stud actor!!

Amputate Your Head · 02-24-2003, 11:24 PM

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Originally posted by MAGNET
its not soo easy to act in those films you have to get your dick hard in front of all of those people looking at you!!

i don't know how those guys do it.... I sure as hell couldn't

Amputate Your Head · 02-24-2003, 11:28 PM

if I could work in the movie biz, I think I'd wanna do audio. Sound effects. I think they call them 'Foley' guys in the film biz...

MAGNET · 02-24-2003, 11:28 PM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head

i don't know how those guys do it.... I sure as hell couldn't

You just close your eyes and say to your self think ?warm tight pussy is calling you it wants you? and if that dosnt work the again close you eyes and think happy thoughts

ry0t · 02-24-2003, 11:29 PM

I was an amateur porn star but won't say where. hah!

Honeyslut · 02-24-2003, 11:30 PM

My daughter was in a Stoufers commercial that was on television for a few years.

eroswebmaster · 02-24-2003, 11:36 PM

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Originally posted by Jak
OK, along these lines...

Who here is actually seriously pursuing an acting career, going to classes, auditioning for parts, etc?

/me raises hand.

I spent 5 years working for a couple of German commercial, and film producers.

Some of my duties were production management, location scouting, did some offline video editing work, managed casting as well as put together casting reels, and show reels.

Anyway when I first moved to "Hollywood," this was my big dream, to be an actor. I was doing stand up comedy in Texas, and Oklahoma and thought I'd make an attempt at the big time.

Went to some open mic nights and got screwed around, end up going on at like 2 am with only 2-3 real customers the rest are other comics and some of them are sitting there with pads and pens writing down your best material.

I said fuck it and stuck it out working my way up with the company I was working for.

Managing casting sessions, and editing the casting reels to present to clients etc, I got to see firsthand on a daily basis how demeaning this whole process can be.

Imagine spending your day 8-10 hours running around from audition to audition pretending to eat an invisible candy bar, drink an invisible soft drink, or drive an invisible car all the while having a stupid ass grin on your face so you look like you enjoy it.

I watched these people knowing full well that their 15 minutes of fame would more than likely be a regional ad and possibly a national ad for someone like Colgate and that's it.

The money can be good, I've had friends live for years off of residuals from 1 ad. One good friend of mine got paid $30k a year just so they could use her 5 second spot where she eats some yoplait yogurt and smiles...LOL

But spots like that are few and far between.

Mutt · 02-24-2003, 11:37 PM

i've seen the foley guys work, amazing what they do, unheralded part of movie making.

also saw a very cool piece on some show about the guy who is THAT VOICE you hear narrating like half of the movie trailers for the biggest movies. Just weird to see this guy sitting in his little studio and THAT voice coming out of him.

Remember the Lou Grant show? His boss on the show, character actor named Mason Adams, used to be the top voice over guy for trailers in the 80's.

So much of movie making today is done after the shooting is done, what happens on the set and on location is just the skeleton and basics to start creating movie magic. Actors all have to come back and do their dialogue over again in a sound studio too. Maybe not every actor but the lead actors go back to do 'looping'.

goBigtime · 02-24-2003, 11:37 PM

In elementary school I got in a fight with George Foreman's oldest (I'm pretty sure) Jr.

Does that count?

Hmm now that I think about it, Rae Carruth went to that school too.

Keev · 02-24-2003, 11:38 PM

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Originally posted by pornjudge

I was on America's Most Wanted

Looks like Jay Leno, younger

TDF · 02-24-2003, 11:42 PM

I am a star in my own mind..thats all that matters

EscortBiz · 02-24-2003, 11:43 PM

The AdultCentro guys I think are doing something with hollywood if I remember

Babaganoosh · 02-24-2003, 11:43 PM

I was in a Wal-Mart commercial when I was a kid (about 8 years old). In the commercial I was in I was shopping for a bike with my "Dad" and "big brother". I found a bike I liked and the nice Wal-Mart guy got it off the rack for us. The last scene was me riding the bike out of Wal-Mart.

What a fucking rip-off. I got a gift certificate for $50 and a Wal-Mart t-shirt.

Mutt · 02-24-2003, 11:43 PM

really does look like Jay Leno

Rocky · 02-24-2003, 11:47 PM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
if I could work in the movie biz, I think I'd wanna do audio. Sound effects. I think they call them 'Foley' guys in the film biz...

talented people who are truly under appreciated

but oddly enough....or not....most of the creatives in a movie are generally talented people who are truly under appreciated

Rocky · 02-24-2003, 11:48 PM

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Originally posted by eroswebmaster

Imagine spending your day 8-10 hours running around from audition to audition pretending to eat an invisible candy bar, drink an invisible soft drink, or drive an invisible car all the while having a stupid ass grin on your face so you look like you enjoy it.

be happy, be sad, be frustrated, laugh, cry, sit on a bottle and spit quarters

fuck i hated that

beemk · 02-24-2003, 11:51 PM

i was in a few eminem videos and a d12 video but it was a crowd scene so you couldnt even tell it was me. i got my $50 though so i cant complain.

Rocky · 02-24-2003, 11:51 PM

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Originally posted by Armed & Hammered
I was in a Wal-Mart commercial when I was a kid (about 8 years old). In the commercial I was in I was shopping for a bike with my "Dad" and "big brother". I found a bike I liked and the nice Wal-Mart guy got it off the rack for us. The last scene was me riding the bike out of Wal-Mart.

What a fucking rip-off. I got a gift certificate for $50 and a Wal-Mart t-shirt.

perhaps now you understand why child actors *cough* Winona Ryder *cough * steal when they grow up

Mutt · 02-24-2003, 11:53 PM

figures Wal-Mart wouldn't use union talent. Cheap bastards.

Actors live for national commercials, most struggling actors depend on getting one or two a year to keep their dream alive. National commercial i think pays about 35-50,000 range.
Actually better pay than getting a medium sized role in a major movie which might only pay 10-20 grand.

Tough business at any level, from writing, acting, and of the tech professions, takes a long time to work your way in and in the case of acting, writing and directing - most likely will never hit it big.

Wanton, who shoots most of the Wanton Girls content, was a lighting director for tons of TV shows we've all watched. He hated it. But he knows lighting like nobody else after 20 years doing it day in day out. He just showed me what he did for a client, freakin beautiful art nude stuff, wish I could post but I can't on client's orders.

Babaganoosh · 02-24-2003, 11:53 PM

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Originally posted by Rocky

perhaps now you understand why child actors *cough* Winona Ryder *cough * steal when they grow up

No shit. I am still bitter about that whole deal. I am gonna go get what is rightfully mine tomorrow. I am going to steal a whole shitload of GI Joes & Transformers. That's all I wanted to begin with.

Rocky · 02-24-2003, 11:55 PM

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Originally posted by beemk
i was in a few eminem videos and a d12 video but it was a crowd scene so you couldnt even tell it was me. i got my $50 though so i cant complain.

music videos can be fun

i remember doing The Lost Brotherhood with Gowan and i played the part of a junky

three of us were in a chicken coop in a barn throwing needles at a dart board

just my luck, my needle hit the bullseye and popped back out and stuck into the cinematogapher's arm - you can bet my scene got cut down to size

Rocky · 02-24-2003, 11:58 PM

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Originally posted by Armed & Hammered

No shit. I am still bitter about that whole deal. I am gonna go get what is rightfully mine tomorrow. I am going to steal a whole shitload of GI Joes & Transformers. That's all I wanted to begin with.

go for it

and if they catch you stealing, just tell them you went to the Winona Ryder school of method acting

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Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	figures Wal-Mart wouldn't use union talent. Cheap bastards. Actors live for national commercials, most struggling actors depend on getting one or two a year to keep their dream alive. National commercial i think pays about 35-50,000 range. Actually better pay than getting a medium sized role in a major movie which might only pay 10-20 grand. Tough business at any level, from writing, acting, and of the tech professions, takes a long time to work your way in and in the case of acting, writing and directing - most likely will never hit it big. Wanton, who shoots most of the Wanton Girls content, was a lighting director for tons of TV shows we've all watched. He hated it. But he knows lighting like nobody else after 20 years doing it day in day out. He just showed me what he did for a client, freakin beautiful art nude stuff, wish I could post but I can't on client's orders. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!