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Old 04-22-2013, 05:15 PM   #1
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Bill O'reilly just said...

That it's "ridiculous" to compare innocent people dying in drone strikes to innocent people dying in the Boston bombings

WTF? There is no way someone with ANY intelligence could ACTUALLY think that...
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Old 04-22-2013, 05:35 PM   #2
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That it's "ridiculous" to compare innocent people dying in drone strikes to innocent people dying in the Boston bombings

WTF? There is no way someone with ANY intelligence could ACTUALLY think that...
He is correct. The Boston bombers were intentionally attacking civilians...and Drone strikes are intentionally attacking combatants...and any civilian deaths are not intentional but are collateral.
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He is correct. The Boston bombers were intentionally attacking civilians...and Drone strikes are intentionally attacking combatants...and any civilian deaths are not intentional but are collateral.
Wow...how brainwashed can you be?

Nothing but a play on words
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He is correct. The Boston bombers were intentionally attacking civilians...and Drone strikes are intentionally attacking combatants...and any civilian deaths are not intentional but are collateral.

really dude? where i come from a "combatant" is someone involved in a battle. not some poor shmuk who just happened to be born in some shit hole country.
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Wow...how brainwashed can you be?

Nothing but a play on words
Not a play on words...but goes to motive. The motive of one is to kill non combatants...the motive of the other is to kill combatants...end of story.
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really dude? where i come from a "combatant" is someone involved in a battle. not some poor shmuk who just happened to be born in some shit hole country.
Dude? Are you a teen?

Combatants are combatants whether they are "some poor shmuk who just happened to be born in some shit hole country." or not.
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Not a play on words...but goes to motive. The motive of one is to kill civilians...the motive of the other is to kill combatants...end of story.
"civilian" and "combatant" are just words...make believe

There are only individuals...and many "civilians" have died from drone strikes...thousands..
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He is correct. The Boston bombers were intentionally attacking civilians...and Drone strikes are intentionally attacking combatants...and any civilian deaths are not intentional but are collateral.
On side with crazy lunatics doing Boston bombings, you find (so called)collateral damage acceptable (innocent kids, women and people dead)?
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"civilian" and "combatant" are just words...make believe

There are only individuals...and many "civilians" have died from drone strikes...thousands..
Words have meaning...sport. BTW..."civilians" have been targets throughout histories armed conflicts...as combatants cannot exist without "civilians".
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"civilian" and "combatant" are just words...make believe

There are only individuals...and many "civilians" have died from drone strikes...thousands..
I see no proof, where do you get this from? The media?? LOL
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Johnny why don't you just go get a fucking job so you can leave the house and stop being so paranoid about everything you see on TV & the internet.

Seriously leave your grandmas basement go to the park or something.. in the "daylight".
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The drones have killed 4,700 people http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/d...-politics.html and most of them were not terrorists.

So, when a terrorist visits your neighbourhood -- Get the Fuck Out of Town.
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The drones have killed 4,700 people http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/d...-politics.html and most of them were not terrorists.

So, when a terrorist visits your neighbourhood -- Get the Fuck Out of Town.
Yup

Imagine if they drone striked watertown??
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On side with crazy lunatics doing Boston bombings, you find (so called)collateral damage acceptable (innocent kids, women and people dead)?
On side with the crazy lunatics and bombings through history, you find it (so called) collateral damage acceptable (millions dead, women and children overseas)?

Both are wrong and equally wrong

Not difficult to figure out
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On side with the crazy lunatics and bombings through history, you find it (so called) collateral damage acceptable (millions dead, women and children overseas)?

Both are wrong and equally wrong

Not difficult to figure out


Some serious questions for you, JohnnyClips...

Are you a pacifist?

Since you are so angry and afraid about the US government, what government or political party do you actually support?

You want to change the government but how (you can not even seem to convince most of GFY that you are not a nutjob)?

? Via elections? (you suggest that they are all rigged)
? Are you advocating the violent overthrow of the US government?

Oh yeah, and no asking Alex Jones, Glenn Beck, Michael Savage, et al, for the answers.



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Some serious questions for you, JohnnyClips...

Are you a pacifist?

Since you are so angry and afraid about the US government, what government or political party do you actually support?

You want to change the government but how (you can not even seem to convince most of GFY that you are not a nutjob)?

? Via elections? (you suggest that they are all rigged)
? Are you advocating the violent overthrow of the US government?

Oh yeah, and no asking Alex Jones, Glenn Beck, Michael Savage, et al, for the answers.



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Here are your next civilian casualties ...



The Tailban are training children now. Are they running out of men?

What kind of people hand their children AK 47s and send them out to die?

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Here are your next civilian casualties ...



The Tailban are training children now. Are they running out of men?

What kind of people hand their children AK 47s and send them out to die?
Boy Scouts, JROTC, Army, Navy, Marines, etc.

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"Terrorists" is a funny word.

George Washington was a "terrorist" to the British Army according to today's terminology.

When we are occupying other countries and killing their citizens because they want our soldiers OUT of their country ...we call them "terrorists".

What a joke.

Can you imagine if another country defeated our army and occupied the U.S.?
The if I took my shotgun and hid & shot the occupying soldiers they would call me a "terrorist"
But our own people would call me a patriot.

It's a matter of perspective. Those "terrorists" that we kill in other countries are "patriots" and heroes to their own countrymen.

We have no business occupying those countries, much less killing people there. Nothing good is ever going to come from that.
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"Terrorists" is a funny word.

George Washington was a "terrorist" to the British Army according to today's terminology.

When we are occupying other countries and killing their citizens because they want our soldiers OUT of their country ...we call them "terrorists".

What a joke.

Can you imagine if another country defeated our army and occupied the U.S.?
The if I took my shotgun and hid & shot the occupying soldiers they would call me a "terrorist"
But our own people would call me a patriot.

It's a matter of perspective. Those "terrorists" that we kill in other countries are "patriots" and heroes to their own countrymen.

We have no business occupying those countries, much less killing people there. Nothing good is ever going to come from that.
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Voluntarism is where it's at

I don't believe in "government" (it doesn't exist, it's just people with a monopoly on the use of force) because it violates moral principles

Anarchist
You didn't answer my direct questions, but that was to be expected.

You do realize that there are deep divisions even amongst those who consider themselves anarchists (in case you missed the Occupy movement fizzle and die).

So as an anarchist, how do you propose to overthrow the current order, and what will you replace it with?

Do you find capitalism compatible with anarchy?

Revolutionary Catalonia (during the Spanish Anarchist Revolution, 1936-1939) was one of the few times anarchists attempted to seize and hold power, and it crumbled within 3 years.

The experiment was a failure on many levels:

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"Everybody created his own justice and administered it himself...Some used to call this 'taking a person for a ride' [paseo] but I maintain that it was justice administered directly by the people in the complete absence of the regular judicial bodies."
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During the initial fighting several thousand individuals were murdered by Anarchist and Socialist militants based on their assumed political allegiance and social class.

"We do not wish to deny that the nineteenth of July brought with it an overflowing of passions and abuses, a natural phenomenon of the transfer of power from the hands of privileged to the hands of the people. It is possible that our victory resulted in the death by violence of four or five thousand inhabitants of Catalonia who were listed as rightists and were linked to political or ecclesiastical reaction."
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Here are your next civilian casualties ...

The Tailban are training children now. Are they running out of men?

What kind of people hand their children AK 47s and send them out to die?
1. Those are NOT civilian casualties if they are shooting. And those aren't the people being referred to as "civilian casualties". We are killing families, women and children who aren't shooting anybody.

2. "What kind of people" would have teenagers and even younger fighting a war?
Let's see: The Continental Army under General Washington fighting the Brits.
And both the North and South armies in the U.S. Civil War.
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You don't give 8 year old boys machine guns and train them to die unless you are a lunatic.

You must be right -- these are Taliban Boy Scouts at a Scout Meeting ...

Your comparisons are ludicrous.
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The Tailban are training children now. Are they running out of men?

What kind of people hand their children AK 47s and send them out to die?






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1. Those are NOT civilian casualties if they are shooting. And those aren't the people being referred to as "civilian casualties". We are killing families, women and children who aren't shooting anybody.

2. "What kind of people" would have teenagers and even younger fighting a war?
Let's see: The Continental Army under General Washington fighting the Brits.
And both the North and South armies in the U.S. Civil War.
You can add Hitler at the end of WWII to that list -- that's all he had left at the end.

This is not that simple.

Jihad has been declared they are prepared to fight to the last man standing and by any means with no rules.

Good news though, the Taliban just took eleven Turkish soldiers prisoner. Now they fucked up.
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You must be , you can't tell the difference between a BB gun and an AK47.


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You must be , you can't tell the difference between a BB gun and an AK47.

Not stoned at the moment, however those were not BB guns, so perhaps it is you that cannot tell the difference. Or maybe YOU are stoned...



I used to shoot real guns with live ammo when I was in the Boy Scouts. So to suggest that Boy Scouts only shoot BB guns to get their Rifle and their Shotgun merit badges is absolutely incorrect.

I was simply pointing to the folly of your post, since any photo of kids holding guns can be misinterpreted, and propaganda is fabricated and used all the time to manipulate public opinion by demonizing the enemy.

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Altshuler tells the story of civil affairs troops during the Vietnam War conducting a campaign in contested territory to vaccinate children against common diseases.

"As soon as our guys left," said Altshuler, who served two combat tours in Vietnam, "the guerrillas came in and cut the arms off every kid that'd been vaccinated.

"So security is critical. Somebody has to go in and take care of the bad guys. I have no problem with that."
The major problem with that story is that it just isn't true.

Most likely, the General was confused by this famous scene from Apocalypse Now:

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It's not my photo it's the Taliban's own propoganda.

There is nothing to win at GFY anyway. I guess I just found hostile children with AK 47s training in the Afghan dessert a little troubling.

Silly me, must be an Afghan scout meeting ... it's all just good fun.
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It's not my photo it's the Taliban's own propoganda.

There is nothing to win at GFY anyway. I guess I just found hostile children with AK 47s training in the Afghan dessert a little troubling.

Silly me, must be an Afghan scout meeting ... it's all just good fun.
Who created the taliban?

The taliban doesn't have the power to put you in jail, tax you or send you to some shitty public school or run up the debt
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It's not my photo it's the Taliban's own propoganda.

There is nothing to win at GFY anyway. I guess I just found hostile children with AK 47s training in the Afghan dessert a little troubling.

Silly me, must be an Afghan scout meeting ... it's all just good fun.


Hopefully, you do realize that groups often create fake/disinformation images/stories (known as "Black Propaganda"), to demonize their enemies.

Another way to view it would be by noting that indeed some groups have occasionally used kids or women as guerillas in order to spook the foreign combatants into fearing them, or into shooting first and asking questions later, in the hopes that this will in turn cause the local population to turn even more against the foreign troops.

A few examples of Black Propaganda:

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The Black Panther Coloring Book was distributed in the United States in the late 1960s in an attempt to discredit the Black Panther Party, and the civil rights movement in general.
Perhaps you have heard of COINTELPRO (if not, look it up):

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The FBI's strategy was captured in a 1968 memo: "Consider the use of cartoons, photographs, and anonymous letters which will have the effect of ridiculing the New Left. Ridicule is one of the most potent weapons which we can use against it."
Stoned talk: So what if Beck, Jones, Limbaugh, Savage, et al, are all in fact partisan political operatives, and conspiracy theory sheep are being manipulated to fall for patently ridiculous crap, in order to turn otherwise simply skeptical people into crackpots that no sane person would follow.

More likely these far-right media pundits are simply what they appear to be, Republican/Libertarian/Tea Party operatives, that use propaganda to obfuscate their real agenda (running interference for their partisan political/capitalist masters).

One thing that cannot be disputed is that Beck, Jones, Limbaugh, and Savage, have made millions off of bigotry and fear. Meanwhile they have turned their followers into a bunch of mindless ditto-heads ready to instantly embrace all kinds of ridiculous conspiracy theories, and in the process turning intelligent civil political discourse in this country into a joke.



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WTF? There is no way someone with ANY intelligence could ACTUALLY think that...
Of course not.... brown people don't count.
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Voluntarism is where it's at

I don't believe in "government" (it doesn't exist, it's just people with a monopoly on the use of force) because it violates moral principles

Anarchist
Yet here you are using the internet, a product of the gubirmints.

Or maybe the internet was created for the gubirmints to be able to track and control everyone more easily and you've played right into their hands
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Old 04-23-2013, 01:29 AM   #35
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I 'm sorry for posting conspiracy type threads to get cheap views and interaction..It has no place on this board..I'm here to sell content and hire web designers..so please accept my apologies to the community (especially guys I cussed at to get a rise and more posts) and the mods..I will not engage in these types of threads any longer..I want to make money and cool content and love humanity that's the real me.

what happened to the innocent in Boston was tragic and it makes me upset..I realize posting dumb vids to deflect from the actual horror is immature and I'll no longer tolerate it from myself.

I hope you all accept my apologies...keep calm and carry on
Well, that certainly didn't last long. Off your meds again Simon?





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Old 04-23-2013, 01:32 AM   #36
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Wow...how brainwashed can you be?
He is totally propagandized. Every post he makes is clear evidence of it.

It's disgusting.
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Old 04-23-2013, 01:32 AM   #37
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You didn't answer my direct questions, but that was to be expected.

You do realize that there are deep divisions even amongst those who consider themselves anarchists (in case you missed the Occupy movement fizzle and die).

So as an anarchist, how do you propose to overthrow the current order, and what will you replace it with?

Do you find capitalism compatible with anarchy?

Revolutionary Catalonia (during the Spanish Anarchist Revolution, 1936-1939) was one of the few times anarchists attempted to seize and hold power, and it crumbled within 3 years.

The experiment was a failure on many levels:



No wonder you are such a confused and bitter person. You ascribe to a philosophy that you don't seem to understand much about.



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Old 04-23-2013, 01:43 AM   #38
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Spare me the history lesson I was in there in real time.
The Black Panthers took up arms in a political disobedience in the political revolt that I was a part of -- we were not armed and killing anyone.
The Black Panthers wanted to provoke a shooting war and they got it -- there was no great conspiracy. Just like the Madras of the Taliban they had founded schools that taught and fed Black children in their community -- no they were not teaching love and understanding those were different times and they had their reasons.

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To whom? Neo-Nazis or KKK Groups? I never saw or heard of one and I was there.

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I was a minor player in the "New Left" It was us that made fools of the US Government with cartoons and "underground newspapers" By the time Nixon was forced to resign the FBI had lost to the Counterculture -- that's what we called ourselves collectively and we brought a nation to its knees. And we didn't arm children or make children march in front as human shields.

You are drinking the Kool-aid

Bill O'Rilley is just the same as a Dick Cavett was back in the 60's and entertainer and a provocateur. But he is as right as to intent as the US Army was right about burning the VC and the NVA out with Napalm. The intent was not to kill or maim non-combatants but the VC and the NVA stayed in populated villages they created many of their own victims wilfully. Victimization is seen as legit war propaganda and unsophisticated people buy it.

I guess we should drop paratroopers and chase the Taliban and try to sort them out from the goat herders? Not that many soldiers would die ... It the Taliban stood and fought like an army they would be slaughtered and they know it. They were the bandits of the Khyber Pass long before we came.

When we interfered in Afghanistan aiding the "Afghan Freedom Fighters" against our long time rivals the Soviet Union we set this thing in motion by arming the bandits of the Khyber Pass. Afghanistan was a payback for the Soviet involvement supporting North Vietnam. Thirty years later we have Jihadist Bombers in Boston last week. So here we are with no way back.

The North Vietnamese just chanted "Yankee go home!" The Taliban chant "Death to America". There could be a peace in Vietnam but the Taliban want death.

They have made this a fight to the death so give them what they want. But this will not end their Jihad. Their children's children will chant "Death to America" and some of their kindred will throw bomb here for years.



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Usual, connecting dots to take a huge tangent that comes up with your predetermined conclusion that "the Government did it!!!"



1. A Man on the roof. I walked on a roof to watch a marathon, so what?

2. Private security firm. Here is news for you sport, there hasn't been a major sporting event without security since the Atlanta Olympic Games much more so when it's a public street event.

3. His mommy says he's been framed. When a sicko is caught with bodies buried in his garden his mommy says he's been framed. That's what mommies do


After he goes into 9/11 the government wants to take our guns territory, there is NOTHING more than those three points in that whole video. His mommy and security personnel equals "the government did it!!!"
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"Terrorists" is a funny word.

George Washington was a "terrorist" to the British Army according to today's terminology.

When we are occupying other countries and killing their citizens because they want our soldiers OUT of their country ...we call them "terrorists".

What a joke.

Can you imagine if another country defeated our army and occupied the U.S.?
The if I took my shotgun and hid & shot the occupying soldiers they would call me a "terrorist"
But our own people would call me a patriot.

It's a matter of perspective. Those "terrorists" that we kill in other countries are "patriots" and heroes to their own countrymen.

We have no business occupying those countries, much less killing people there. Nothing good is ever going to come from that.
do you know what a jahadist is? it's a Muslim who is committed to waging jihad/war on the entire world, their goal is that every country on this planet eventually becomes an Islamic state. it's not just 'get off my land'. as for their own lands, they have been raping and killing each other for more than a thousand years. these terrorists are not heroes to all their own countrymen - the vast majority of the people in these countries are kept poor and ignorant, their lives are miserable and it has little to do with Western countries meddling. we could pull out of the Middle East tomorrow and nothing would change, not tomorrow, not in ten years, not in 100 years.
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