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helterskelter808 04-18-2013 11:13 AM

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the funniest part of this thread is that conspiracists are even in here spewing their bs in spite of mountains of facts against their position right in this thread. and they just keep coming with the same nonsense.
Nah, the funniest part is watching you spew out more posts than anyone else in this thread, other than FootMan5, incessantly whining about "conspiracy nuts", and then, when confronted to do exactly what you expect "conspiracy nuts" to do (back up your beliefs with hard evidence), your laughable evasion that you "prefer fun" (whatever that's supposed to mean in this context).

dyna mo 04-18-2013 11:38 AM

i enjoy this thread and the op makes a valid statement, the fact that a couple of nutters are in here embarrassing themselves is just icing on the thread cake for me, that's fun to watch!

debating the same old shit 12 years in a row with a bunch of people that can't even back their shit up with a simple goog search, clinging to some physics they can't understand re: 7wtc. that's too easy, not fun.

CyberHustler 04-18-2013 11:45 AM

I don't know who's worse... conspiracy nutters or those who think there is no such thing as conspiracies.

dyna mo 04-18-2013 11:48 AM

the other thing that cracks my shit up re: nutters is their incessant requirement that you figure out for them what they don't understand.

BlackCrayon 04-18-2013 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberHustler (Post 19584707)
I don't know who's worse... conspiracy nutters or those who think there is no such thing as conspiracies.

i don't think anyone thinks there are no such thing as conspiracies...but you see what they post. it should be obvious why they get the flack that they do.

Si 04-18-2013 11:59 AM

http://debunkatron.com/

Read for yourself. There are plenty of other sites like this one. 9/11, Moon, JFK etc. are all listed there.

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Originally Posted by helterskelter808 (Post 19584658)
Nah, the funniest part is watching you spew out more posts than anyone else in this thread, other than FootMan5, incessantly whining about "conspiracy nuts", and then, when confronted to do exactly what you expect "conspiracy nuts" to do (back up your beliefs with hard evidence), your laughable evasion that you "prefer fun" (whatever that's supposed to mean in this context).


dyna mo 04-18-2013 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Si (Post 19584736)


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Undebunked Subjects
A list of subjects that were previously considered bunk but have since been vindicated.
None at this time.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh
that's funny shit.

:thumbsup

helterskelter808 04-18-2013 12:08 PM

The only posts in this thread about WTC7 are yours, dyna_mo. Nobody else has mentioned it.

dyna mo 04-18-2013 12:14 PM

yes, i post my own comments, unlike *truthers* who simply regurgitate shit they have no idea about.

helterskelter808 04-18-2013 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Si (Post 19584736)
http://debunkatron.com/

Read for yourself. There are plenty of other sites like this one. 9/11, Moon, JFK etc. are all listed there.

Was this a serious post? I thought you were kidding when you asked if I wanted you to post some "links and Youtube videos".

Isn't there a single anti-conspiracy nutjob here who is capable of making point on their own?

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Originally Posted by dyna_mo
yes, i post my own comments, unlike *truthers* who simply regurgitate shit they have no idea about.

That's funny, because further up this very page you talk about backing shit up with a 'simple Google search', which is presumably how you found the Wikipedia image and the SG Collins Youtube video that you regurgiated on Page 2.

_Richard_ 04-18-2013 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Si (Post 19584736)
http://debunkatron.com/

Read for yourself. There are plenty of other sites like this one. 9/11, Moon, JFK etc. are all listed there.

Chemtrails: Just misunderstood contrails (condensation trails).

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Chemtrails: Just misunderstood contrails (condensation trails).
Contrail Science
The Skeptic's Dictionary: chemtrails (contrails)
The Skeptics' Guide 5x5: Podcast #89: Chemtrails
Some Grey Bloke (Graham Murkett): Chemtrails
Wikipedia: Chemtrail conspiracy theory 1
oddly not one mention cloud seeding?

how would a site dedicated to debunking theories, not touch at all on the fact that 'chemtrails' could be equated to cloud seeding?

dyna mo 04-18-2013 12:48 PM

typical truther incapable of seeing the truth of a matter. no one said every post is unique, of course facts require bolstering with support, or for truthers, a youtube video for 100% proofs.

TheFootMan5 04-18-2013 12:49 PM

It's amazing how people can't see what's going on in the world

The government lies, lies and lies some more then people believe their "official story", when they would NEVER tell the truth to the general public

dyna mo 04-18-2013 12:51 PM

yes, i remember when i was a child and realized the 1st time i was lied to, i had a choice then to take the massive step from there to believing everything is a lie.

even at 6 or 7 years old, common sense and logic would not let me make that leap.

BlackCrayon 04-18-2013 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TheFootMan5 (Post 19584853)
It's amazing how people can't see what's going on in the world

The government lies, lies and lies some more then people believe their "official story", when they would NEVER tell the truth to the general public

so fabricating your own truth is better how? i don't buy what i'm sold but i'm also not creating my own reality based on misinformation spread like rumors.

Si 04-18-2013 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by helterskelter808 (Post 19584841)
Was this a serious post? I thought you were kidding when you asked if I wanted you to post some "links and Youtube videos".

Isn't there a single anti-conspiracy nutjob here who is capable of making point on their own?

That's funny, because further up this very page you talk about backing shit up with a 'simple Google search', which is presumably how you found the Wikipedia image and the SG Collins Youtube video that you regurgiated on Page 2.

No what's funny is, you and other conspiracy people do excactly that
. You're telling me you don't read or watch anything before making your own mind up or what? You was just sitting there eating your cereal one day, suddenly you thought to yourself; "I know what happened to JFK"? Pathetic arguement.

I've read and heard the shit spewn by Jones and Icke among many others.

You seem to hate people quoting sources of proof, not surprising. Do some reasearch on your beliefs.

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19584850)
Chemtrails: Just misunderstood contrails (condensation trails).



oddly not one mention cloud seeding?

how would a site dedicated to debunking theories, not touch at all on the fact that 'chemtrails' could be equated to cloud seeding?

Want to find some that do? Wouldn't betting it's out there somewhere.

I wouldn't mind betting there is some truth to weather alteration, mainly because it is all over the internet on experiments to try and stop hurricanes, or create rain water in drought conditions.

Sorry I forgot, they wouldn't be doing something constructive would they? It has to be them trying to poison us or create massive storms to wipe people out.

TheFootMan5 04-18-2013 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Si (Post 19584867)
No what's funny is, you and other conspiracy people do excactly that
. You're telling me you don't read or watch anything before making your own mind up or what? You was just sitting there eating your cereal one day, suddenly you thought to yourself; "I know what happened to JFK"? Pathetic arguement.

I've read and heard the shit spewn by Jones and Icke among many others.

You seem to hate people quoting sources of proof, not surprising. Do some reasearch on your beliefs.



Want to find some that do? Wouldn't betting it's out there somewhere.

I wouldn't mind betting there is some truth to weather alteration, mainly because it is all over the internet on experiments to try and stop hurricanes, or create rain water in drought conditions.

Sorry I forgot, they wouldn't be doing something constructive would they? It has to be them trying to poison us or create massive storms to wipe people out.

No one knows what happened to JFK or 9/11 or anything except for the people who carries it out. However, if you believe the "official story" when it comes to these events, the you have the brain the size of a pea

TheFootMan5 04-18-2013 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 19584862)
so fabricating your own truth is better how? i don't buy what i'm sold but i'm also not creating my own reality based on misinformation spread like rumors.

There's no fabricating what goes on in the world

There is the slave class and the ruling class. The ruling class does everything they have to do to maintain their rule over the slave class. Nothing has changed in thousands of years...yet the slaves will vehemently attack other slaves who point out this obvious fact.

dyna mo 04-18-2013 01:11 PM

here, i'll show you how easy it is to debunk a conspiracy theory using conspiracy theorist mentality, let's pick icke's theory that we are descendants of lizards.

easy.

lizards are cold-blooded, so in cold weather they move sluggishly. it's fair to say that some of these lizard descendants would become weathermen. obviously, the lizard weathermen would not say "it's cold outside." they would say "it's sluggish outside."

but none of them say that. conclusion: we are not descendants of reptiles.

_Richard_ 04-18-2013 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Si (Post 19584867)
No what's funny is, you and other conspiracy people do excactly that
. You're telling me you don't read or watch anything before making your own mind up or what? You was just sitting there eating your cereal one day, suddenly you thought to yourself; "I know what happened to JFK"? Pathetic arguement.

I've read and heard the shit spewn by Jones and Icke among many others.

You seem to hate people quoting sources of proof, not surprising. Do some reasearch on your beliefs.



Want to find some that do? Wouldn't betting it's out there somewhere.

I wouldn't mind betting there is some truth to weather alteration, mainly because it is all over the internet on experiments to try and stop hurricanes, or create rain water in drought conditions.

Sorry I forgot, they wouldn't be doing something constructive would they? It has to be them trying to poison us or create massive storms to wipe people out.

betting.. there.. is some truth to weather alteration?

are you.. fucking with me.. or do you actually think we don't alter the weather?

no, im not going to post this link for my edit.. obviously you can answer.. or google and answer

either or..

TheFootMan5 04-18-2013 01:58 PM

The term "conspiracy theorist" was coined when people claimed someone was a "conspiracy theorist" if they believed that la costra nostra existed...when of course they did exist, and they had judges and people in the system working for them...typical

Si 04-18-2013 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19584990)
betting.. there.. is some truth to weather alteration?

are you.. fucking with me.. or do you actually think we don't alter the weather?

no, im not going to post this link for my edit.. obviously you can answer.. or google and answer

either or..

Can... You.... Write.... A... Proper.... Sentence?.....

What I meant by that is the chemtrail images that get posted, could be weather alteration at work, and be harmless. Do some research, there is plenty of evidence to debunk many conspiracy theories about contrails/chemtrails.

_Richard_ 04-18-2013 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Si (Post 19585021)
Can... You.... Write.... A... Proper.... Sentence?.....

What I meant by that is the chemtrail images that get posted, could be weather alteration at work, and be harmless. Do some research, there is plenty of evidence to debunk many conspiracy theories about contrails/chemtrails.

not an hour ago you were posting about being willing to bet there is some 'truth in weather alteration', and now its fact?

once again, grammar only matters if you try and insult someone

so:

Can... You.... Write.... A... Proper.... Sentence?.....

is an insult, and incorrectly structured, but we'll let this one pass as it was so pithy.

helterskelter808 04-18-2013 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Si (Post 19584867)
No what's funny is, you and other conspiracy people do excactly that
. You're telling me you don't read or watch anything before making your own mind up or what? You was just sitting there eating your cereal one day, suddenly you thought to yourself; "I know what happened to JFK"? Pathetic arguement.

I think you'll find people were talking about JFK and the moon landings for quite some time before someone invented Youtube and crank blogs.

And feel free to show me where I posted the words "I know what happened to JFK" or anything even remotely like it.

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You seem to hate people quoting sources of proof, not surprising. Do some reasearch on your beliefs.
Any old crazy can put up a webpage or a Youtube video. That you think they in any way constitute "proof" of anything shows just how far removed from reality you are. All I'm doing is applying the same standards to you that you apply to "conspiracy nuts".

You (and dyna_mo) think nothing of posting links to other people's shit because you don't have a clue yourself, yet when "conspiracy nuts" do the same thing, you use it against them.

You demand "proof" from conspiracy nuts to back up their claims, but when challenged to prove your own beliefs you pathetically come back with "I don't care". The novels you've written in this thread would suggest otherwise.

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19584903)
here, i'll show you how easy it is to debunk a conspiracy theory using conspiracy theorist mentality, let's pick icke's theory that we are descendants of lizards.

There he goes again, talking about shit that nobody else is talking about in the thread. :1orglaugh What a k00k.

dyna mo 04-18-2013 02:13 PM

exactly my point. that's why i prefaced it saying i'll use a conspiracist's mentality.

derail a thread talking about random shit that makes no sense.

Si 04-18-2013 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19585042)
not an hour ago you were posting about being willing to bet there is some 'truth in weather alteration', and now its fact?

once again, grammar only matters if you try and insult someone

so:

Can... You.... Write.... A... Proper.... Sentence?.....

is an insult, and incorrectly structured, but we'll let this one pass as it was so pithy.

:1orglaugh

Totally pathetic, I'll use an helter skelter arguement here. Where did I say it's (not its ) fact?

TheFootMan5 04-18-2013 03:52 PM

Anyone can make a blog or youtube video, sure...just like any authority figure can just make stuff up

Bin Laden orchestrated 9/11 :1orglaugh
WMDs in Iraq :1orglaugh
Gulf of Tonkin
Etc.

wehateporn 04-18-2013 03:58 PM


theking 04-18-2013 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TheFootMan5 (Post 19585283)
Anyone can make a blog or youtube video, sure...just like any authority figure can just make stuff up

Bin Laden orchestrated 9/11 :1orglaugh
WMDs in Iraq :1orglaugh
Gulf of Tonkin
Etc.

Those things are only made up in your stupid...stupid...stupid...sick...sick...sick mind.

_Richard_ 04-18-2013 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Si (Post 19585278)
:1orglaugh

Totally pathetic, I'll use an helter skelter arguement here. Where did I say it's (not its ) fact?

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Originally Posted by Si (Post 19584867)
I wouldn't mind betting there is some truth to weather alteration, mainly because it is all over the internet on experiments to try and stop hurricanes, or create rain water in drought conditions.

8char

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wehateporn 04-18-2013 04:49 PM

I see loads of bots here with _Richard_ :upsidedow

_Richard_ 04-18-2013 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 19585363)
I see loads of bots here with _Richard_ :upsidedow

he really doesn't get the whole insulting thing

none of em do

wehateporn 04-18-2013 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19585370)
he really doesn't get the whole insulting thing

none of em do

That's what they say to keep us coming back

This thread has been setup as a honey trap for us :winkwink:

_Richard_ 04-18-2013 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 19585383)
That's what they say to keep us coming back

This thread has been setup as a honey trap for us :winkwink:

so why are we sitting here slapping each other on the back?

wehateporn 04-18-2013 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19585390)
so why are we sitting here slapping each other on the back?

True, we're here, so it worked, the GFY-Bots got the better of us :helpme

_Richard_ 04-18-2013 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 19585392)
True, we're here, so it worked, the GFY-Bots got the better of us :helpme

meh, all good fun

wehateporn 04-18-2013 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19585401)
meh, all good fun

Indeed, helps me get some late night work done at the same time :1orglaugh :thumbsup

Si 04-18-2013 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19585358)
8char

.

Proof I never used the word "fact". Well done to you.

_Richard_ 04-18-2013 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Si (Post 19585493)
Proof I never used the word "fact". Well done to you.

go away

8chgar

dyna mo 04-18-2013 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19585390)
so why are we sitting here slapping each other on the back?

hah, you 2 guys crack me up. in all honesty, i like y'all, hell, i even remember telling whp that years ago, back when i was still sorting out on which side of the matter i fall. i think _richard_ is up for the truth, you just happen to fall on the other side of it all than i do. i get that and the fact i *think* you are open to the truth makes me respect that. could be wrong, hard to say across the gfy.

whp i said the same thing to a long time ago, i think you've progressed further into the genre? since then though, although you are pretty clever in how you go about it, which makes me wonder if you aren't doing it because of the views such topics garner. easy to do and a big payoff, so i get that too.

either way, these debates and threads like this are played hardball as we all know. hardball is fun, i come to play. :)

TheSquealer 04-19-2013 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by TheFootMan5 (Post 19584853)
It's amazing how people can't see what's going on in the world

The government lies, lies and lies some more then people believe their "official story", when they would NEVER tell the truth to the general public

As I was saying, you distort and generalize and ignore information to create an argument that suits what you need to believe. Earlier, you were aggressively downplaying the idea that "conspiracy" means "government conspiracy" within the context of "conspiracy theorist" and the discussion... yet it didn't take you long to fall back into your familiar pattern of railing against government and pointing out government conspiracies.

At the core of almost all of your arguments, statements and attacks are over-generalizations. You rely VERY heavily on unreasonable generalizations.

The language you rely on, speaking in absolutes such as "always", "every time...", "no one believes...", "never", "every one believes" etc. are direct indicators of the extent to which you are distorting things in your own mind.

dyna mo 04-19-2013 08:02 AM

wait till he gets here later today, he's going to have a field day derailing all the threads.

TheSquealer 04-19-2013 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19586358)
wait till he gets here later today, he's going to have a field day derailing all the threads.

Personally, I look forward to at least 30 more instances of invoking "The Gulf of Tonkin" as if it's relevant to anything. :)

_Richard_ 04-19-2013 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19585524)
hah, you 2 guys crack me up. in all honesty, i like y'all, hell, i even remember telling whp that years ago, back when i was still sorting out on which side of the matter i fall. i think _richard_ is up for the truth, you just happen to fall on the other side of it all than i do. i get that and the fact i *think* you are open to the truth makes me respect that. could be wrong, hard to say across the gfy.

whp i said the same thing to a long time ago, i think you've progressed further into the genre? since then though, although you are pretty clever in how you go about it, which makes me wonder if you aren't doing it because of the views such topics garner. easy to do and a big payoff, so i get that too.

either way, these debates and threads like this are played hardball as we all know. hardball is fun, i come to play. :)

:thumbsup:thumbsup:pimp


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