Originally Posted by The Duck (Post 19582701)

This message is hidden because Dirty F is on your ignore list.

Sorry man can't see anything you write. Don't remember why I have you ignore but probably for good reason so I will leave it.

Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19583225)

that's < who's

Originally Posted by TheFootMan5 (Post 19583256)

Criminal elements of the government have done and staged events numerous times throughout history

We are just pointing it out as a possibility and some of you lemmings get angry and upset :1orglaugh

It's unreal

Originally Posted by Sly (Post 19583272)

Turning an argument into a grammar war is right up there with Godwin's Law.

My dad can beat up your dad.

Originally Posted by TheFootMan5 (Post 19583278)

Me: "Yea, criminal elements of the government have done stuff like this plenty of times. It's definitely a possibility in this case."
You: "Shut up moron"
Me: "Here's a bunch of examples: Gulf of Tonkin, Operation Northwoods, Fast and Furious, etc etc."
You: "Shut up, conspiracy theorist"

Some people have the mind of a toddler

Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 19583281)

Again, you might want to keep track of what you're ACTUALLY saying as opposed to what you THINK you're saying.



Anyways, I'm done arguing with losers for the night.

Originally Posted by TheFootMan5 (Post 19583282)

So the government has never killed people or done anything like this before?

Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19583286)

Sometimes people get struck by lightening. That doesn't mean it's a normal behavior to insist that every time lightening strikes, it must have hit a person and point out that anyone that suggests that's an unreasonable position is a lemming or brainwashed.

Originally Posted by TheFootMan5 (Post 19583289)

Blowing things up has nothing to do with lightning

The government has done stuff like this time and time and time again, criminal elements in the FBI and CIA...to say that there is no possibility it was them is just beyond absurd

Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19583291)

More radical distortions. No one ever said something was not possible. That's a fake point brought up by you time and time again. It's your attempt at distorting what's being said.

Originally Posted by Sly (Post 19583272)

Turning an argument into a grammar war is right up there with Godwin's Law.

My dad can beat up your dad.

Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 19583268)

Perhaps a little sloppy and it certainly wouldn't win me style points with an editor, but technically acceptable. In any case it's certainly not something you should be picking at given you are omitting capital letters and misusing or omitting punctuation amongst other simple errors.

Besides at the end of the day, you absolutely ARE a chump. :thumbsup

Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19582647)

You will never convince a conspiracy theorist they are wrong in their conclusions. It's just not going to happen. Here's why....

Your brain is an incredibly complicated machine. Often argued to be the most sophisticated computer on the planet. Unfortunately for your brain, the world is also a very complicated place. The good news however, is that your brain is very well adapted to dealing with this complex environment. Every waking moment, you are bombarded with endless sensory input. Sights, sounds, shapes, colors, smells, tastes and all the near infinite complexities and submodalities of each, often bombarding the mind all at the same time.

As a result, your brain does a lot of amazing things to deal with the overwhelming amount of information available to it every second of the day.

The 3 most important things your brain does to make sense of the world around it are these.

1) Your brain generalizes information
2) Your brain deletes information
3) Your brain distorts information

Your brain does this and in this process creates what can be called an "internal representation" of the world around it. It's a model. Owns own interpretation and understanding.

Imagine you need to get across the street to withdraw money from your bank before they close. It's 5:58. You've got less than 120 seconds to get from where you are, across the busy street and in the door.

What does your brain do?

The first thing your brain does is generalize information. You don't look at every footstep required to get across the street. You think more in broader terms "need to get across the parking lot, then across the street, then across that parking lot and then into the bank" - all of the millions of details such as the weather, the position of the sun, trees around you, sounds, where each footstep will be placed and so on, are irrelevant and you've generalized the process and how to get from a to b, using and observing and processing only relevant information to that task.

The second thing your brain does is that it deletes information that isn't useful as it goes. You don't remember details of the things behind you. You don't remember the cars you ran past. You don't remeber the bird singing in the background. You may not remember anything at all that doesn't stand out to you as being worth remembering that is not relevant to the tast. In fact, you can walk right past things for many years and never realize its there. Being aware of it or remembering it just wasn't important.

The third thing your brain does is that it distorts information. As you approach the street to run across and make it in time to the bank, you start tell yourself it's safer than it is, that cars are going slower than they are, that you have a wide enough gap to run between cars and so on. You lie to yourself. You create an often very innacurate picture of what you believe to be a truth or fact, based on what you need to believe in that moment.

Imagine you run out into the street and a car screeches to a halt before he hits you. What is the response of most people that would run out into the street and almost get hit? Usually the same defensiveness, telling themselves as they keep running that the driver is a shithead and so on - this happens because in their minds, most often (at least in that moment) they believe they've acted correctly. Their brains told them they acted correctly as they darted out into the street. How will they remember this event where they were almost hit by a car in the future? Well, memories are not memories. Memories are memories of memories of memories. You remember only the basic key points and a few snapshots/videos, maybe some sounds and so on, which may or may not be accurate at the time but which a definitey less accurate over time. This information is continually passed through those same filters. You're brain is only trying to keep what it needs. Your final memory of this event will most likely be distilled down to key and more often than not, wholly innacurate points. "i was fine. i was right. i acted appropriately. they were wrong... everyone over reacted. the driver acted innapropriately" etc.

The truth is that we ALL distort everything. Our brains filter and distort everything it takes in. Even our memories are simply filtered information of filtered information of filtered information. In fact, anything that you are aware of, has already passed through these filters and has already been distorted, generalized and some parts deleted before your conscious mind is aware of it. There is no information that you are consciously aware of which hasn't already passed through these filters.

We tend to believe that the way we percieve the world around us is . We generalize, we delete information and we distort information and accordingly, we create a model of the world that is nothing more than our own internal representation of how we understand the world. In fact, what are hallucinogenic drugs? You can eat an 1/8th ounce of mushrooms and stare at your hand for the next 6 hours, or God forbid, end up in front of a mirror and never get bored with what you are looking at. This is because those filters are now disabled and you are now seeing countless details and information that you've never noticed before because your brain was filtering it out. Hippies would love to tell you how they are expanding their mind, their consciousness and so on, but really, this information is filtered out for a reason... its irrelevant and unecessary and has no value and serves no useful purpose.

This is a simple explanation of how we all tend to end up with radically different understandings of the world around us and why we have so much difficulty seeing things the same way.

Think about all the things you argue about in life. Politics, money, Al Queda, bitcoins, George Bush, Republicans/Democrats or whatever. Each person having an often radically different internal representation of the world, shaped by their own generalizations and distortions and deletions are trying to argue to get the other to see the world in the same exact way that they do. Thats generally not possible. The model that you've created in your mind of the world, which shapes your thoughts, decisions, actions, feelings, communication with others and so on are very unique to you, though we all love to believe thats not true. For example, two people will argue about there being a God or not being a God and will never see eye to eye because both have learned to look at all the same evidence and distort into proof that their belief correct. In fact, people will look at the exact same thing and each see it as incontrovertable evidence that they are each correct though it is clearly not possible.

An important thing to understand in human behavior is how to know who is distorting information to an unreasonable degree.

What happens when we are presented with information that challenges our own internal representations of the world? Well.... Your brain generalizes, deletes and distorts information. The brain will create irrationally broad generalizations, start blurring the lines, concepts, definitions and so on and then will continue and distort a square peg to fit into a round hole and quite often, the brain will summarily dismiss any new and contradicting informtion as being irrelevant which doesn't fit into its own model of the world. Ooops!.... sounds an aweful lot like a conspiracy theorist, right?

So how do we know when one has gone too far and is deleting, distorting and generalizing information to an unreasonable degree?

How do we know when a discussion of bitcoins has gone from passive interest, discussion of new ideas, all possible outcomes to complete irrationality with an individual?

This answer is actually very simple.

Certainty.

Certainty, when it comes to beliefs and ones own internal representation of the world is simply the minds way of reinforcing the idea that your own representation of the world is perfectly correct. Certainty is how a brain defends itself from new information which might challenge it's own internal representation of the world.

What is a healthy position? What does a healthy mind do?

Doubt... You doubt what you believe. You question what you believe. You are open to new information and changing your beliefs and conclusions. What does doubt do? Doubt says you are willing to accept new information and are willing to change or expand your own internal representations of the world. Doubt makes room for new information. Certainty, rejects new information.

Have you ever seen a conspiracy theorist expressing doubt in their beliefs? Doubting their conclusions? Willing to accept new information which may challenge their views? Willing to say "oh, i guess 9/11 wasn't a government conspiracy"? Willing to accept they are wrong? Generally not. To what extent do they over generalize information? Shifting from specifics to broad and vague concepts "government", "authority" etc etc. Putting the presence or absence of mental disorders and disease aside, that's how you know there is something very off in how they are processing information and that they are clinging to a very distorted internal representation of the world and further distorting information to fit it into that model.

Conspiracy theorists typically are, above all things, 100% certain in their beliefs.

As user Camgirls said on GFY, (paraphrasing) "medications do not help stop the voices in my head, because the voices are real". He's made it clear that he's 100% certain of that fact.

Originally Posted by TheFootMan5 (Post 19583295)

Whenever someone brings up that the CIA/FBI/government might be involved, the lemmings like clockwork, come out and GET ANGRY :1orglaugh and call people "conspiracy theorists", as if they are programmed to do so

Originally Posted by TheFootMan5 (Post 19582736)

The word "conspiracy theorist" is yet another play on words

Unless the bombs created themselves, then there was in fact a conspiracy involved

Originally Posted by TheFootMan5 (Post 19582807)

"Government" is just another play on words. There are individuals...and there are a few of them who plot events like this all the time. Not even debatable.

No one knows what happened or who was involved, but to say that high level members or an FBI plot gone wrong isn't on the table as an option, it just being flat out dumb. Only a propagandized moron would think that the FBI "would never do anything like this"...

A real "terrorist" as defined by our lovely government wouldn't go after other lemmings or ordinary persons, they would go after those in leadership positions. Pretty simple

Originally Posted by TheFootMan5 (Post 19582827)

Of course anyone can be wrong

Unless you have inside knowledge, EVERYONE on the outside is just speculating

But when the government has the ADMITTED track record it does of lying to go to war, killing millions, imprisoning millions, then only a true moron would dismiss the idea of criminal elements plotting events like this. It's their MO

Originally Posted by TheFootMan5 (Post 19583129)

The term "conspiracy theorist" means absolutely nothing to someone who is not propagandized like most of the population. Just like calling someone an "extremist" makes absolutely no sense nor does it have any weight.

People who use these terms are usually propagandized in some way and are not after the truth

Originally Posted by TheFootMan5 (Post 19583134)

So the mainstream media and government constantly lies, have conflicting reports, etc and then they'll all agree on one narrative in a day or two and any one who doesn't agree with it is labeled a "conspiracy theory"

Where's the logic in that?

Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19583139)

please. attempt. proper. grammar. when. insulting. people.

Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19583181)

you.. have no idea do you

Originally Posted by TheFootMan5 (Post 19583256)

Criminal elements of the government have done and staged events numerous times throughout history

We are just pointing it out as a possibility and some of you lemmings get angry and upset :1orglaugh

It's unreal

Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 19583292)

Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 19583257)

Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 19583257)

Originally Posted by TheFootMan5 (Post 19583278)

Me: "Yea, criminal elements of the government have done stuff like this plenty of times. It's definitely a possibility in this case."
You: "Shut up moron"
Me: "Here's a bunch of examples: Gulf of Tonkin, Operation Northwoods, Fast and Furious, etc etc."
You: "Shut up, conspiracy theorist"

Some people have the mind of a toddler

Originally Posted by Si (Post 19583456)

Anyone who publishes, says, or writes anything about an event before they have proof, is a conspiract theorist. This includes all forms of media.

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19584067)

lol, the lunar landings is the funniest *theory* yet. they think apollo 11 was the only one, yet there were 6 lunar landings.

not to mention they completely fail to realize the filming technology to fake that simply did not exist.

see, lack of prep and understanding of the basics they are clinging to.

Originally Posted by Si (Post 19583456)

Richard, you're becoming notorious for posting crap, these posts are 2 perfect examples. Sorry.

Originally Posted by helterskelter808 (Post 19584043)

Then everyone who has written anything on 9/11, Apollo 11, and JFK is a conspiracy theorist, because nobody really knows what happened with those events, other than the people involved/the Government, who have clear incentives to lie.

If you believe there is any firm "proof" to back up any of the theories on those events though, please post it.

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19584067)

lol, the lunar landings is the funniest *theory* yet. they think apollo 11 was the only one, yet there were 6 lunar landings.

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19584150)

i had another chuckle realizing the conspiracist had to backtrack from his apollo 11 comment and update it with a conspiracy theory twisted comment after i informed him of more than 1 landing.

oh of course there were 6 landings but they were all under nixon, therefore......FAKE.

hahahahahahahahahahahah

that's some logic!

Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 19584244)

Why People Reject Conspiracy Theories

1. Fear.
There are many dimensions to how fear blocks people from discovering, accepting, and telling the truth about 9/11.

The first dimension is cosmic. The official story about the most important socio-political event in modern history has been burned into the heart of American culture and Western civilization. America’s image of itself is wrapped up with the 9/11 fairy tale. For many, the fear of challenging the authenticity of the story is related to the fear of shaking up the cosmological scenery within one’s own mind that has been constructed by political leaders and the television.

The second dimension is social. People have a basic fear; they don’t want to be associated with those “crazy conspiracy theorists and their paranoid views.” They want to stay within the safety of the tribe, and disowning the most sacred myths of one’s tribe goes beyond treachery; it is interpreted as spiritual suicide.

The third dimension is the most obvious one: the fear of death. The government is watching what you say, and read, and it knows what you think and believe. Most people naturally don’t want to stick the bullseye on their chest and yell out in the crowd, “I don’t belong to you because I reject your lies and fables, now come and get me, punks.”

2. Ignorance.
Due to the systemic blackout of the evidence showing that the official 9/11 story is a lie, people just don’t know. Not only are they ignorant of the facts underlining the case of the global 9/11 truth and justice movement, but they are ignorant that there is even a media blackout.

Of course, the excuse of ignorance is harder to defend in the era of the Internet and new media. A lot of people who reject conspiracy theories are just too lazy to sit down and do the research for themselves.

3. A False Sense of Superiority And A False Sense of Knowledge.
The smugness of 9/11 truth deniers is hard to stomach. They actually look down on new information and new knowledge, which is strange to me. I value learning and am always open to new ideas and new ways of seeing the world.

When I came across ’9/11: The Road to Tyranny’ by Alex Jones in February 2004 I was floored. I remember watching the hanging of Saddam on CNN a few months earlier and thinking, “Wow, this Iraq War turned out to be alright, at least the Iraqi people got to see justice served.” But the discovery that the 9/11 story was an invented fable turned my goodwill towards the American government to absolute rage.

It was easy for me to rethink the purpose of the war on terror upon seeing the real facts about 9/11 laid out for the first time because I’m not an American so I don’t have any emotional stake in what the American government does. Americans are in a much more spiritually difficult place. The sin of 9/11 must be a heavy burden to carry for such a morally minded country and people.

This article is not about judging anyone or any country, but an attempt to understand why people react differently to the same information. Why do some people think they know how the world works and refuse to accept the validity of new worldviews, while others hunger for such awesome discoveries? I know how ignorant I am of the world, of history, and of mankind, so I’m comfortable with letting go of worldviews if the facts don’t fit.

4. Collective Brainwashing.
The brainwashing of America, Israel, the West, and the world since the false flag September 11 events is definitely one of the biggest reasons why people reject alternative interpretations of 9/11 and the war on terror. The nations of the world are living inside the big lie offered by the grand decoder of reality, who goes by the political name of the United States government. The spiritual name for this false decoder of reality is Satan, otherwise known as the accuser.

People live, breathe, and eat the 9/11 lie. It is a live virus that is inside their bodily organs and their digestive systems. A teaspoon of reason is not enough to treat the spiritual patient.

5. Institutional Silence And Cover-Up.
Academic, media, and governmental institutions in the West have all agreed to keep the truth about 9/11 a secret from the American people and the world.

The culture at the top of the top of modern American society and other societies as well operates on a basic principle: “keep your mouth shut, or else.”

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19584133)

see? complete lack of preparation, couldn't even be bothered to google the film technology of the early 1970s.

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19584150)

i had another chuckle realizing the conspiracist had to backtrack from his apollo 11 comment and update it with a conspiracy theory twisted comment after i informed him of more than 1 landing.

Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 19584280)

Now I just feel sorry for people like wehateporn. Their simple naivety speaks volumes on their experiences in the World and life in general. I mean can you really imagine a life based on knowledge you obtained sitting at home and "researching" on youtube? It's really quite sad.