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L-Pink 04-15-2013 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 19578899)
there is a huge difference between selling your friend a dvd player vs a gun. i don't see why that should be allowed. if individuals and collectors want to sell guns there should be some kind of middle man that allows them to sell but goes through the proper channels so background checks, etc are done.

So if I want to sell my neighbor a gun I should have to do what? Call the FBI? The gun is legal. I'm just pointing out the obvious roadblock to telling 2 law abiding citizens they have to get the government involved in the transaction. That isn't going to fly in most areas.

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BlackCrayon 04-15-2013 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19578893)
Way more violent crimes?

Violent crime peaked in the 1980s and has been on a decline here in the US since then.

And this is what kills me about gun nuts - they say they need firearms to protect themselves while violent crime has been going down for the past twenty - thirty years. My buddy here in town fears for his life yet lives in a town with a low crime rate.

constant media bombardment creates a fear culture.

Dirty F 04-15-2013 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo (Post 19578904)
All completely true....




.:2 cents:

I have no problem with you but when it comes to guns you're the biggest fucking imbecile on this forum by far.

Completely brainwashed and delusional.

BlackCrayon 04-15-2013 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 19578911)
So if I want to sell my neighbor a gun I should have to do what? Call the FBI? The gun is legal. I'm just pointing out the obvious roadblock to telling 2 law abiding citizens they have to get the government involved in the transaction. That isn't going to fly in most areas.

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the thing is do you know if your friend has been convicted of a violent crime? you might of just aided in him committing another one. sure its fine 9 times of out of 10 but that one time makes a lot of noise and its totally avoidable.

Dirty F 04-15-2013 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by PornoMonster (Post 19578876)
You are right, society has changed. Way More Violent Crimes. The tools instead of Hunting are now needed for Protection.

Yup, that's what you get with all these idiots walking around with guns.

Obviously the solution is more guns.

L-Pink 04-15-2013 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 19578921)
the thing is do you know if your friend has been convicted of a violent crime? you might of just aided in him committing another one. sure its fine 9 times of out of 10 but that one time makes a lot of noise and its totally avoidable.


The last couple of times I purchased a gun the dealer called my info in. After a week the dealer received NO RESPONSE from the FBI/ATF whoever and then sold me the guns based on the fact my drivers license was current.

If timely approval isn't given to an authorized firearm dealer what will happen if the system is flooded with calls from every private citizen looking to sell his private property?

I understand the problem, I just don't see a viable, read actual working system ever being in place.

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L-Pink 04-15-2013 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Caligari (Post 19577017)
Background checks work. NRA members agree.
No more straw sales.
Too many redneck psycho morons with access to guns.

Well, 1 out of 3 isn't bad ?.

* I agree background checks work.

* Straw sales? How do you stop someone who can legally purchase a firearm from selling to someone else? That's a tough one.

* "redneck psycho morons" aren't the problem. Middle to upper middle class emotionally fucked up young adults and career criminals are the problem.

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BlackCrayon 04-15-2013 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 19578924)
The last couple of times I purchased a gun the dealer called my info in. After a week the dealer received NO RESPONSE from the FBI/ATF whoever and then sold me the guns based on the fact my drivers license was current.

If timely approval isn't given to an authorized firearm dealer what will happen if the system is flooded with calls from every private citizen looking to sell his private property?

I understand the problem, I just don't see a viable, read actual working system ever being in place.

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that's pretty sad. there should be some kind of online database that doesn't give dealers info but sends back a red flag if there is reason to deny them ownership. you would think in this day and age something like that shouldn't be so hard to set up.

directfiesta 04-15-2013 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 19578911)
So if I want to sell my neighbor a gun I should have to do what? Call the FBI? The gun is legal. I'm just pointing out the obvious roadblock to telling 2 law abiding citizens they have to get the government involved in the transaction. That isn't going to fly in most areas.

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What do you do when another inanimate object is involved, such as a motorcycle or a car ?

L-Pink 04-15-2013 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 19578965)
that's pretty sad. there should be some kind of online database that doesn't give dealers info but sends back a red flag if there is reason to deny them ownership. you would think in this day and age something like that shouldn't be so hard to set up.

Exactly. My local store calls my info into the FBI but receives no information back within the 3 days required for a response. Why? The dealer is then allowed to sell the gun based on his impression of the customer. That's the system currently in place.

Once again, a solution always sounds good until the government actually tries to implement it.

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L-Pink 04-15-2013 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 19578966)
What do you do when another inanimate object is involved, such as a motorcycle or a car ?

You buy it and take it home.


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Robbie 04-15-2013 10:55 AM

Weird how our society is these days.

People are actually begging the govt. for more taxes, and now to create a "data base" on them too. lol

I remember when citizens were outraged that the govt. was keeping files on them. REAL liberal thinkers were in the streets protesting that kind of shit. Now they are begging for it???

This is like taking candy from a baby for the govt.
I remember when The Rolling Stones had the song "FingerPrint Files" about the FBI spying on them and John Lennon and Martin Luther King and other people whose opinions they didn't like.

And now LIBERALS (fake ones) are determined to get every person in a data base so just in case they ever wanted to buy a gun they would be able to be checked against it?

George Orwell was right. He was just off by 30 years.

BlackCrayon 04-15-2013 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 19578988)
Weird how our society is these days.

People are actually begging the govt. for more taxes, and now to create a "data base" on them too. lol

I remember when citizens were outraged that the govt. was keeping files on them. REAL liberal thinkers were in the streets protesting that kind of shit. Now they are begging for it???

This is like taking candy from a baby for the govt.
I remember when The Rolling Stones had the song "FingerPrint Files" about the FBI spying on them and John Lennon and Martin Luther King and other people whose opinions they didn't like.

And now LIBERALS (fake ones) are determined to get every person in a data base so just in case they ever wanted to buy a gun they would be able to be checked against it?

George Orwell was right. He was just off by 30 years.

don't be so stupid, it already exists...they're called criminal records. are you against sexual offender databases too?

Rochard 04-15-2013 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 19578914)
constant media bombardment creates a fear culture.

Well the gun nuts always crack me. "I need a firearm to protect myself". Protect yourself from what?

My buddy Tony lives a few blocks from. He's armed because he feels the need to protect himself. I don't have that fear at all.

PornoMonster 04-15-2013 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19578893)
Way more violent crimes?

Violent crime peaked in the 1980s and has been on a decline here in the US since then.

And this is what kills me about gun nuts - they say they need firearms to protect themselves while violent crime has been going down for the past twenty - thirty years. My buddy here in town fears for his life yet lives in a town with a low crime rate.


Ok Crime.

Some people consider a car jacking Not Violent.
Some people consider knocking down grandma and stealing her purse non violent.

Hey look http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-d-tc-ZVa5N...0/image001.png

bronco67 04-15-2013 11:19 AM

Because illegal guns used by criminals started out as "legal" guns, and since Americans are never going to change their gun crazy attitudes, the only real solution is some kind of future fingerprint or DNA technology that allows only the registered user to fire the weapon.

PornoMonster 04-15-2013 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19579033)
Well the gun nuts always crack me. "I need a firearm to protect myself". Protect yourself from what?

My buddy Tony lives a few blocks from. He's armed because he feels the need to protect himself. I don't have that fear at all.

Buy you have at least a couple firearms... Trolls crack me up!

PornoMonster 04-15-2013 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 19579036)
Because illegal guns used by criminals started out as "legal" guns, and since Americans are never going to change their gun crazy attitudes, the only real solution is some kind of future fingerprint or DNA technology that allows only the registered user to fire the weapon.

How do you go back and equip all the millions of weapons out there? Roll up on the gangs, hey guys we need to change your weapons you have, then give them back to you!

Telly 04-15-2013 11:31 AM

That about sums it up.

http://i.imgur.com/Fl2rgqH.jpg

Rochard 04-15-2013 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 19578988)
Weird how our society is these days.

People are actually begging the govt. for more taxes, and now to create a "data base" on them too. lol

I remember when citizens were outraged that the govt. was keeping files on them. REAL liberal thinkers were in the streets protesting that kind of shit. Now they are begging for it???

This is like taking candy from a baby for the govt.
I remember when The Rolling Stones had the song "FingerPrint Files" about the FBI spying on them and John Lennon and Martin Luther King and other people whose opinions they didn't like.

And now LIBERALS (fake ones) are determined to get every person in a data base so just in case they ever wanted to buy a gun they would be able to be checked against it?

George Orwell was right. He was just off by 30 years.

Because our government doesn't track you from the day your born? I got a card from Social Security shortly after I born because I was assigned an SSN number, which in the run the IRS uses. Have a driver's licence number from DMV, which in turn is used by the police and insurance. Pretty much any company I do business with - cable company, cell phone, etc - has both my SSN and DL.

Yet you don't want the government to know you have a weapon who's only real purpose is to kill another person? Then again, in another thread you bitched because someone selling cocaine got arrested.

Rochard 04-15-2013 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by PornoMonster (Post 19579037)
Buy you have at least a couple firearms... Trolls crack me up!

I own firearms but I'm not a gun nut.

directfiesta 04-15-2013 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 19578977)
You buy it and take it home.


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Oh, I thought you had to go to the DMV to get a temp or permanent license plate...

That must be only for Canadians buying a 57 corvette in Chicago suburbs :warning

Telly 04-15-2013 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 19575383)
why the fuck would you use a bought gun to commit a crime?? :1orglaugh and if your going to shoot people and kill yourself really doesnt matter where you buy the gun. there are other ways to mass kill that are way more messy. :2 cents:

Bad timing http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...oston-marathon

L-Pink 04-15-2013 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 19579119)
Oh, I thought you had to go to the DMV to get a temp or permanent license plate...

That must be only for Canadians buying a 57 corvette in Chicago suburbs :warning

No, that's if you want to park it or drive it on a public road. There are no regulations about who can purchase a car or motorcycle and no regulations about keeping it in your garage.

I see your point though and am not trying to be a wise ass.

If I want to carry a gun I have to either carry in plain sight or have a permit to carry concealed. (not true in all states) But again for private use in my home there are no regulations in my state provided I'm not a criminal.

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bronco67 04-15-2013 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by PornoMonster (Post 19579041)
How do you go back and equip all the millions of weapons out there? Roll up on the gangs, hey guys we need to change your weapons you have, then give them back to you!

You don't. This would be a change that effects the long term situation. Eventually old guns are phased out from age. It's enevitable.

This is the same reason an assault weapon or clip size ban would help. There are guns in circulation that nothing can be done about, but the aim of the ban is to keep new ones from overpopulating our culture with guns, guns, guns.

Everyone thinks anything we do is supposed to take effect right away and keep some school children from being shot up next week. The idea is to change our culture so 40 years from now, the problem is getting better, not exponentially multiplied.

People will still own guns, which is fine -- but there won't be 10 guns for every man woman and child on the planet. If that that doesn't sound like a good idea to somebody then I'd have to wonder what mental defect they have.

directfiesta 04-15-2013 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 19579160)
No, that's if you want to park it or drive it on a public road. There are no regulations about who can purchase a car or motorcycle and no regulations about keeping it in your garage.

I see your point though and am not trying to be a wise ass.

If I want to carry a gun I have to either carry in plain sight or have a permit to carry concealed. (not true in all states) But again for private use in my home there are no regulations in my state provided I'm not a criminal.

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hummmm... this article makes it seem quite more complicated that `I buy it and leave with it as I wish ....':

http://www.carsdirect.com/sell-cars/...ers-guidelines

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How to Sell a Car Without Registration: A Seller's Guidelines
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If you want to sell a car without registration, you might have to add a few extra steps in order to be able to sell it legally. Registration is important because it is the only way that the DMV can keep track of information about your car. The registration alerts the DMV of who the owner is, their address, their plate number, the VIN and the title number.

Step 1 - Draft and Sign a Bill of Sale

The first thing you should do is to write up a bill of sale between the buyer and yourself. This needs to have both your name and the buyer's name along with your addresses, VIN number, the year of the car, the make and the model of the car. You will also need to make sure that you include the amount that you are selling the car for. You need to make a confirmation in the bill of sale stating that you are the actual owner and have the authority to sell the car to the buyer. You should sign the bill of sale in front of a notary who will stamp and sign it.

Step 2 - Go to the DMV for Papers

Go to your local DMV and get paperwork and any other information that you might need on selling a car. You should have your car title with you. If you do not happen to have the title, you will need to file for a copy of one before you can actually sell your car. You will need to have a valid license, along with some sort of proof that you own the car. That would be the bill of sale you got when you purchased the car originally, providing the proof that you need to be able to sell the car without registration.

Step 3 - Do a Title Transfer

Fill out all the appropriate forms that the DMV has given you and then you can sign the title so that it can be transferred over to the person who is buying it. Now you will need to take all of this paperwork along with the bill of sale and give it to the DMV. There may be fees for the transaction along with sales tax, which the buyer is responsible for. The buyer will also be responsible for paying for their own registration. If you have to wait for the title you will need to wait until you have it to be able to complete the sale of your car.

If you are selling a car that you still are paying on, you will of course not have the title and you will need to call the bank to make arrangements with them to transfer the ownership of the car over to the new buyer.
seems that you can have a car with no registration ( license plates ) but you still need to go thru the process ...

In Canada, I suspend my plates on my collector cars during winter , along with some insurrace coverage, but they still are registered .

Robbie 04-15-2013 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Telly (Post 19579056)
That about sums it up.

http://i.imgur.com/Fl2rgqH.jpg

That's the damn truth.

PornDiscounts-V 04-15-2013 09:33 PM

If you are law abiding you can get a gun no problem even with a background check.

The Apprentice 04-22-2013 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 19575292)
Will be hard for the NRA lobbyist to argue away that one.. :2 cents:

Actually, it was pretty easy... You stand alone, liberal puppet. How does it feel knowing that your life belongs to someone you've never met?


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