Interesting ICQ chat - GoFuckYourself.com

Paul Markham · 02-21-2003, 02:50 PM

Here is a chat I am having on ICQ as I type. Any suggetions?

The names have been changed to protect those concerned.

Him (10:23 PM) :
Hi Paul, I'll like to buy your new upskirt galleries for my new upskirt site. The total will not be much. Do you have another fast payment solution other than wire or paypal?
Paul & Eva (10:23 PM) :
Sorry no, we are working on it but will not be for a while.
Him (10:24 PM) :
ok, can you make a permanent discount for me for buying galleries. I'm not a very big boy yet

Paul & Eva (10:26 PM) :
For how much in $$$ terms are you going to buy?
Him (10:28 PM) :
can't promise for anything yet, but I'll buy from time to time when I need speciafic gals. Now I'll buy your all upskit gals, and later I can buy some other things.
Paul & Eva (10:29 PM) :
That's only a few sets at $25, already cheap enough I think.
Him (10:34 PM) :
Yes, it's for now, I'm asking for all times, I dont want to ask you for a discount every time, for example I have %50 a permanent discount from xxxxxxxxxxxcontent.com

I mean I'm not a multi million webmaster yet ;) So you can push me to buy content from you
Paul & Eva (10:36 PM) :
If you buy $20,000 I will give you 50%
Go back to them is my advice.
Paul & Eva (10:37 PM) :
In fact if you are getting such a good deal why are you looking around?
Him (10:37 PM) :
don't get me wrong I'm not comparing. Every photographer has different types of niche. I like your amateur and upskirt shots. And your girls are better

Him (10:41 PM) :
I'll buy content from you anyway, just asked if you make a deal for me to push me buy more. Anyway it's not a big deal.
Paul & Eva (10:42 PM) :
Then you can see why I do not need to give the stuff away.
If I did what they did our pictures would be all over the net.
You would have problems keeping members, getting listed on TGPs.
You would be left to only compete on price.
Not the situation we are in. Our content converts and retains members.
Otherwise we would not be as successful as we are.
And we would be offering 50% to all who come.

Paul Markham · 02-21-2003, 02:53 PM

I admire his honesty and courage though.

But how badly is the other supplier doing to give away 50% to a guy who admits he will not buy a lot.

Or is it a big fish testing me out to see how eager we are to sell.

Gary · 02-21-2003, 02:53 PM

*mental note*

No such thing as private chats with Paul Markham

dantheman · 02-21-2003, 02:55 PM

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Originally posted by Gary
*mental note*

No such thing as private chats with Paul Markham

UnseenWorld · 02-21-2003, 02:59 PM

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Originally posted by charly
I admire his honesty and courage though.

But how badly is the other supplier doing to give away 50% to a guy who admits he will not buy a lot.

Or is it a big fish testing me out to see how eager we are to sell.

I think it was a bluff. I do not discount (other to members of my mailing list) until the deal gets fairly substantial. At least a few hundred bucks just to get started. Like you, if someone wants to buy me "to the walls," we can start talking about 50%

Paul Markham · 02-21-2003, 03:00 PM

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Originally posted by Gary
*mental note*

No such thing as private chats with Paul Markham

Not if you are asking $50% off on a $75 deal.

But did I tell you the name of the guy?

UnseenWorld · 02-21-2003, 03:00 PM

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Originally posted by Gary
*mental note*

No such thing as private chats with Paul Markham

Do you know who the other party was? If you don't, it was private enough.

wethoney · 02-21-2003, 03:10 PM

Why would you post ICQ logs to a public message board.. that doesn't seem very nice or professional.

Paul Markham · 02-21-2003, 03:22 PM

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Originally posted by wethoney
Why would you post ICQ logs to a public message board.. that doesn't seem very nice or professional.

Because it can give you some idea of the way others think.

The internet is not some sort of Fraternity or club. It's a business place. You do not go on a "Chat board" and ask something of a complete stranger and expect it to be some sort secret from the "brotherhood".

If you spoke to a stranger in a bar, would you tell him something you would not want repeated?

He was asking me for 50% off on a $75 deal and telling me what my competition give him. Or was he just lying?

Neither seem "very nice or professional" where I come from.

I did not reveal his name so only he knows who he is.

Brujah · 02-21-2003, 03:34 PM

I'd ask for a discount too. I've asked in the past. Some providers will cut the price if you buy a certain amount. Granted, 50% is a pretty big discount but why not offer him 10% or even 20% to get him to buy a lot more content ? Is $2.50 on a $25 set REALLY that important to you ? Why react to the customer like he's offending you ? You wouldn't need to spam the hell out of your content maybe if you'd just let them pretend they're getting a steal by saving $2.50.

Nydahl · 02-21-2003, 03:34 PM

I have already provided some guys with 50% off.But these were a big players and spend thousands of sweet US dollars
everyone is trying to get some better price - all the time.It is strange because I don't ask for any discount when paying advertising for example

Gary · 02-21-2003, 03:40 PM

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Originally posted by charly
Because it can give you some idea of the way others think.

The internet is not some sort of Fraternity or club. It's a business place. You do not go on a "Chat board" and ask something of a complete stranger and expect it to be some sort secret from the "brotherhood".

If you spoke to a stranger in a bar, would you tell him something you would not want repeated?

He was asking me for 50% off on a $75 deal and telling me what my competition give him. Or was he just lying?

Neither seem "very nice or professional" where I come from.

I did not reveal his name so only he knows who he is.

Its just weird, there was actually a time in this business when posting email/icq chats was frowned upon.

You didnt put the persons name, but i would feel wierd if i had a chat with someone then saw it copy/pasted to a mesg board.

Oh well, we all do things differently i guess

Backov · 02-21-2003, 03:45 PM

It blows me away when people ask for discounts, just because.

It's like, I'm going to have the balls to ask you to give me a discount for no valid reason whatsoever, so you should give it to me.

Sure I understand it's a biz tactic, but this isn't the Bazaar. ;>

Especially when this guy was talking about buying a few of your sets and wanting a permanent 50% discount.. What a fucking joke.

Amputate Your Head · 02-21-2003, 03:46 PM

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Originally posted by Gary

Its just weird, there was actually a time in this business when posting email/icq chats was frowned upon.

You didnt put the persons name, but i would feel wierd if i had a chat with someone then saw it copy/pasted to a mesg board.

Oh well, we all do things differently i guess

Gary: whats charly doing posting logs like that?

Amplitude: i don't know

Gary: you bastard fuck

Gary: hey i dont download zip files, are you sending me a virus?

Amplitude: lol, no

Amplitude: there's no virus

Gary: you bastard, trying to kill my computers, you would love to fuck me up

Gary: what is it? a fish?

Amplitude: I have to go now

Gary: you bastard

Brujah · 02-21-2003, 03:48 PM

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Originally posted by Backov
It blows me away when people ask for discounts, just because.

It's like, I'm going to have the balls to ask you to give me a discount for no valid reason whatsoever, so you should give it to me.

Sure I understand it's a biz tactic, but this isn't the Bazaar. ;>

Especially when this guy was talking about buying a few of your sets and wanting a permanent 50% discount.. What a fucking joke.

Oh bull, you let me buy AvsBlitz at a 75% discount if I would say "Backov's my daddy! Backov's my daddy!". TELL THE TRUTH! ;)

Nydahl · 02-21-2003, 03:49 PM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head

Gary: whats charly doing posting logs like that?

Amplitude: i don't know

Gary: you bastard fuck

Gary: hey i dont download zip files, are you sending me a virus?

Amplitude: lol, no

Amplitude: there's no virus

Gary: you bastard, trying to kill my computers, you would love to fuck me up

Gary: what is it? a fish?

Amplitude: I have to go now

Gary: you bastard

Paul Markham · 02-21-2003, 03:58 PM

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Originally posted by Brujah
I'd ask for a discount too. I've asked in the past. Some providers will cut the price if you buy a certain amount. Granted, 50% is a pretty big discount but why not offer him 10% or even 20% to get him to buy a lot more content ? Is $2.50 on a $25 set REALLY that important to you ? Why react to the customer like he's offending you ? You wouldn't need to spam the hell out of your content maybe if you'd just let them pretend they're getting a steal by saving $2.50.

This guy did not want 10%, he wanted 50%

So how would you feel if you were a client of mine for a year and buying, let's say $500 a month and getting 10%. Then this guy comes along and gets 50% on $75.

How flooded do you want the content you buy to be?

We have www.bargainbasementcontent.com for those that want to pay $5 to $15 a set.

And we have www.paulmarkham.com for those that want better stuff that is not dicsounted at the drop of a hat and all over the net. We also feel the prices are set right for the content and do not need to be discounted on 3 sets or $75

THE POINT OF POSTING THIS WAS TO START A DEBATE. It seems to have done just that.

eroswebmaster · 02-21-2003, 04:21 PM

All I gots to say is Charly helps me to make money with his top notch content...and he keeps our sexy icq chat off the boards.

Paul Markham Content

DarrenO5000 · 02-21-2003, 04:31 PM

It seems like you already know this guy is going to buy. Use the discount as a carrot to get him to buy more. I.e. At $500 you get 10%, $1000 gets you 15%.

UnseenWorld · 02-21-2003, 04:40 PM

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Originally posted by charly
This guy did not want 10%, he wanted 50%

So how would you feel if you were a client of mine for a year and buying, let's say $500 a month and getting 10%. Then this guy comes along and gets 50% on $75.

How flooded do you want the content you buy to be?

We have www.bargainbasementcontent.com for those that want to pay $5 to $15 a set.

And we have www.paulmarkham.com for those that want better stuff that is not dicsounted at the drop of a hat and all over the net. We also feel the prices are set right for the content and do not need to be discounted on 3 sets or $75

THE POINT OF POSTING THIS WAS TO START A DEBATE. It seems to have done just that.

When someone asks for a very special deal, that's usually one of my points: Is it really fair to give one guy a secret discount for no particular reason when some other guy, perhaps even a more regular client, is getting no such deal. When I refuse their request for special consideration, sometimes I'll console them by saying, "At least you'll know when you buy from me, that I'm not screwing you by giving someone else a much better deal for the same thing."

On the other hand, I'm always open to *reasons* to discount: Sending traffic to my membership site, for example. Giving me use of a server with no bandwidth charges. I work deals like that, but there has to be a tit-for-tat aspect.

Paul Markham · 02-22-2003, 12:58 AM

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Originally posted by eroswebmaster
All I gots to say is Charly helps me to make money with his top notch content...and he keeps our sexy icq chat off the boards.

Paul Markham Content

Now the whole world knows about our secret ICQ affair.

Thanks for the compliment, how would you like it if I was to discount to hell and sell everywhere?

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Originally posted by DarrenO5000
It seems like you already know this guy is going to buy. Use the discount as a carrot to get him to buy more. I.e. At $500 you get 10%, $1000 gets you 15%.

That sounds fine, but to ask for 50% off all the time, starting with an order for $75, and telling me he will not be buying much. Is not exactly great negotiation skills.

He started out saying he wants a permanent discount of 50% on small orders. He says he will only buy from time to time when I have the right girls. Then he tels me someone else gives it to him, so he is not discreet. Guy needs

Mutt · 02-22-2003, 01:32 AM

I wouldn't discount much if i thought what i was selling was of value. You completely cheapen your product by giving it away. I'd rather do half the sales at regular price than twice the sales at half price. Same net but my customers would feel better that they have something that isn't on every other site on the Net and i'm making the same amount of money.

Content that is oversold is useless.

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Now somebody please send me a pass to IDeepThroat

02-21-2003, 02:53 PM	#2
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	I admire his honesty and courage though. But how badly is the other supplier doing to give away 50% to a guy who admits he will not buy a lot. Or is it a big fish testing me out to see how eager we are to sell. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70 Last edited by charly; 02-21-2003 at 02:56 PM..

02-21-2003, 03:34 PM	#10
Brujah Beer Money Baron Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: brujah / gmail Posts: 22,157	I'd ask for a discount too. I've asked in the past. Some providers will cut the price if you buy a certain amount. Granted, 50% is a pretty big discount but why not offer him 10% or even 20% to get him to buy a lot more content ? Is $2.50 on a $25 set REALLY that important to you ? Why react to the customer like he's offending you ? You wouldn't need to spam the hell out of your content maybe if you'd just let them pretend they're getting a steal by saving $2.50. __________________ Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com For Sale: Obscenity.com

02-21-2003, 03:34 PM	#11
Nydahl Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: closer then it appears Posts: 6,655	I have already provided some guys with 50% off.But these were a big players and spend thousands of sweet US dollars everyone is trying to get some better price - all the time.It is strange because I don't ask for any discount when paying advertising for example __________________ www.garciniatrio.com www.acaitrio.com www.greencoffeetrio.com ICQ 153918034 email [email protected]

02-21-2003, 03:45 PM	#13
Backov Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Cat Detector Van Posts: 1,600	It blows me away when people ask for discounts, just because. It's like, I'm going to have the balls to ask you to give me a discount for no valid reason whatsoever, so you should give it to me. Sure I understand it's a biz tactic, but this isn't the Bazaar. ;> Especially when this guy was talking about buying a few of your sets and wanting a permanent 50% discount.. What a fucking joke. __________________ <embed src="http://banners.spotbrokers.com/button.swf" FlashVars="clickURL=http://banners.spotbrokers.com" quality=high pluginspage="http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/index.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="120" height="60"></embed>

02-21-2003, 02:53 PM	#3
Gary Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kimmykims couch Posts: 6,110	mental note No such thing as private chats with Paul Markham

02-21-2003, 03:10 PM	#8
wethoney So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,032	Why would you post ICQ logs to a public message board.. that doesn't seem very nice or professional.

02-21-2003, 04:21 PM	#18
eroswebmaster March 1st, 2003 Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Seat 4 @ Venetian Poker Room Posts: 20,295	All I gots to say is Charly helps me to make money with his top notch content...and he keeps our sexy icq chat off the boards. Paul Markham Content __________________ For rent - ICQ 127-027-910 Click here for more details

02-21-2003, 04:31 PM	#19
DarrenO5000 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: New York Posts: 46	It seems like you already know this guy is going to buy. Use the discount as a carrot to get him to buy more. I.e. At $500 you get 10%, $1000 gets you 15%.

02-22-2003, 01:32 AM	#22
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	I wouldn't discount much if i thought what i was selling was of value. You completely cheapen your product by giving it away. I'd rather do half the sales at regular price than twice the sales at half price. Same net but my customers would feel better that they have something that isn't on every other site on the Net and i'm making the same amount of money. Content that is oversold is useless. Ever seen a password request board? Take a look at the sites the wankers want to get into without paying. All sites with some exclusive content or all exclusive content. Now somebody please send me a pass to IDeepThroat __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!