it's not even valid if/then logic, if someone has had a memory suggested to them, then the holocaust survivors had the memory suggested to them.

i mean rly?? srsly? people think the jews that survived the final solution had that memory supplanted?


wow.

with this reply it all makes sense now, you have had a top class education.

i appreciate your wanting to question everything, and curiousity and questioning things are for the most part a good thing, as is independent thinking.

but with that being said...

the holocaust was real and it was ugly, it was a tragedy, and one day you will come to realize it, if you truly are intelligent. :2 cents:

700,000 survivors, that must have been a helluva operation, planting fake memories in all those sick people.

i didnt say fake memories

suggestable i said

so subtle influence...

with a little self interested bias...

and not all accounts were all that bad, if i could find that damn video you would see jews saying they had fun playing soccer and dancing...

and you harken back to my prior point, why so many survivors?? why arent they dead? you cannot tell me that such an efficient government system could not have killed them all...

was the memory supplant accomplished via youtube like this maybe? they could show it on a screen in front of a bunch of them to process the memory plant faster.

as biggy pointed out, you have your view and you are sticking to it. your call but since you asked this question, it reveals to me that you are not understanding why they didn't kill them all. do some more research on the final solution, it will answer that question.

hint, it's why i posted that information about death marches.

in this i totally agree, we are all entitled to our own opinions, that is very important to me. disagree with me, that is fine, to be honest i am glad that you have a strong opinion.

You are a fucking moron.

coming from someone too stupid to actually reply to anything intelligently (unlike almost everyone else in this thread who at least are intelligent enough), ill take that as a compliment...

The Nuremberg trials of Nazis that took place in 1945. Not many years later with confused or otherwise altered memories.

Even the Germans who testified said it happened as we know it did today. They didn't deny the Holocaust happened, they claimed to be following Government orders.


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http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article....uleId=10007271


"Eyewitness testimony from both perpetrators and survivors laid the foundation for much of what we know about the Holocaust, including details of the Auschwitz death machinery, atrocities committed by the Einsatzgruppen and other SS and police units, the destruction of the Warsaw ghetto, and the original statistical estimate of six million murdered Jews. Many people directly involved in the killing program died before the end of the war, but the Allies interrogated many of those who were still alive in preparation for the trial. None of the perpetrators denied the Holocaust. Most just tried to deflect their responsibility for the killings.

Three key perpetrators gave evidence directly related to the Holocaust: Hermann Göring, the highest official of the Nazi state tried at Nuremberg, testified openly and frankly about the persecution of German Jews from the rise of the Nazi party to power in 1933 until the outbreak of war in 1939; Otto Ohlendorf testified directly about his unit, Einsatzgruppe D, killing 90,000 Jews in the southern Ukraine in 1941; and the commandant of Auschwitz, Rudolf Hoess, testified frankly about the gassing of more than a million Jews at the Auschwitz-Birkenau killing center during the war. All three claimed that they carried out the legitimate orders of the state.

While the testimony of perpetrators is often chilling in its frankness about the killing program, testimony from survivors, then and today, is often the best antidote to Holocaust denial. Holocaust survivors directly experienced Nazi genocidal policies. Their testimony is personal, immediate, and, for this reason, compelling."

Eyewitness testimonies don't have any merit cause they are looking for sympathy. Eyewitnesses came out saying there were lampshades, soapbars, and matresses made from jewish people too.

No matter what people say the physical evidence pointing to gas chambers just isnt there.

The six million number was used time and time again way before WWII

Here is a documentary made by a jewish guy in the 90's about Auchwitz got in alot of trouble because of it.

Why is it illegal to research in some countries. Kinda strange.

just know that my opinion is based on facts from the most documented event in human history.


that's a fact, not my opinion. :)

those items were documented and are historical fact.

ok show me a nazi document that mentions anything of it then, but you cannot can you? such a document does not exist. If it is so factual and documented why are there no German documents from the period about it?

And these are nazis... crazy about their paperwork... still nothing that proves a mass killing...

Mayabong, I'm certain that you could even find a video of someone saying that the moon is made of cheese. Doesn't make it so.

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article....uleId=10007271

From the Nuremberg trials:

"...the commandant of Auschwitz, Rudolf Hoess, testified frankly about the gassing of more than a million Jews at the Auschwitz-Birkenau killing center during the war."

lol :1orglaugh

dude those items have been proven to be made up by even mainstream historians.. just look at them, quite ridiculous really... why the fuck would you make those items... just saying clearly bs

Jaeger, do you read German?

Any such Document would almost certainly be in German.

I don't, so a link is not possible, I'd have no clue what I was linking to.

look, as i mentioned earlier, it's preposterous to me to even see a debate re: the validity of the final solution, let alone participate in *debating* it.

i think i made my point though.

actually i do read german, not very well but well enough to get an idea of what is written, my father is fluent, so i picked up a little. im not german though.

also pls watch that youtube video i posted, i know its long but its interesting..

There is no physical evidence. There aren't even blue stains on the walls in "gas chambers". Zyclon B leaves blue stains as can be seen to this day in the delousing chambers. "Gas Chambers" not a trace. Not to mention these gas chambers windows ect. Some "gas chambers" were right outside the fences in full view of everyone. When you start to look at it, its kinda laughable. i have no emotional attachment to it like most of you guys do though. I'm tired of hearing about it and so is most of the world. :p

Jaeger, I will watch the video, got it opened for later. There were 3,000 tons of Nazi records submitted as evidence at the Nuremberg Trials, I'd guess at least some if not all is online as a public record.

Being as it's in German I'd have no clue what was what.

Mayabong, so the Nazi Commandant of the camp made up the story of his killing all those people at his own trial?

Why?

SING ALONG!

"The I Was Not A Nazi Polka"

The Chad Mitchell Trio

"Wenn Sie durch Die Schöne Deutschland gehen
Einen gesang werder Sie Hören
Es gibt eine kleine Melodie in Deutschland
Fur fünfzehn oder Zwanzig Jahren

[Spoken]
As you travel through Die Schöne Deutschland
(Wenn Sie durch Die Schöne Deutschland gehen)
A melody will greet your ears
(Einen gesang werder Sie Hören)
It's a melody that's been around in Deutschland
(Es gibt eine kleine Melodie in Deutschland)
For fifteen to twenty years
(Fur fünfzehn oder Zwanzig Jahren)

Each and every German dances to the strain
Of the I was not a Nazi Polka
All without exception join in the refrain
Of the I was not a Nazi Polka

Goering was a crazy we wanted to deport
Sing the I was not a Nazi Polka
We all thought that Dachau was just a nice resort
Sing the I was not a Nazi Polka

The German is so cultured, he does not like to fight
The peaceful life is what he most enjoys
For years the German people were utterly convinced
I.G. Farben manufactured children's toys

I never shot a Luger or goosed a single step
Sing the I was not a Nazi Polka
Sing the I was not a Nazi Polka
Sing the I was not a Nazi Polka

- Was you not an SS guard?
- I was not an SS guard.
I was not a Nazi Polka
- Did you not love Ilsa Koch?
- I did not love Ilsa Koch.
I was not a Nazi Polka
- Did you not despise the Jews?
- I did not, some of my best friends..
I was not a Nazi Polka
- Did you not think Adolf great?
- I did not, Adolf who?
- Adolf who?
- Ja, Adolf who?
- Fritz, you're putting me on.
- Was bedeutet dieses 'putting me on'?
- Are you kidding me or something?
- Nein, I'm not kidding you. Adolf who?
- Adolf Hitler!
- Should I know him? Is he a folksinger?
- You don't remember?
- Nein, I don't remember him. Who was he?
- Well..

A little man, very mean, very loud and brash
- Mmm-mmm...
Not too tall, he never smiled, wore a black mustache
- Nein, I never heard..
He had a girl, Eva Braun, hair as red as flame
- Ah, ja, ja.
He papered walls for many years till his moment came
- Of course!

He's the one who clapped his hands, went into a dance
When the news came to him that we had conquered France
- That's him
He once said, when our flag proudly was unfurled,
"Today, Germany, tomorrow, the world! (Yeah!) Tomorrow, the world! (Yeah!) Tomorrow the world! (Yeah!) Tomorrow the world! (Yeah! Yeah!)"
- I never heard of him
- Neither did I

To our Israeli allies let us raise a toast
Sing the I was not a Nazi Polka
Sure there were some Nazis, two or three at most
Sing the I was not a Nazi Polka

We tried to throw off Hitler right from the very start
That's what every history book should tell
We hated Heinrich Himmler, Martin Bormann too
We believe as Sherman did that war is hell.. hell.. hell.. hell..
Heil!.. Heil!.. Heil!.. Sieg heil!.. Sieg heil!.. Sieg heil!!

Germans are as gentle as flowers in the spring
Sing the I was not a Nazi Polka
Germans are a people who love to dance and sing
Sing the I was not a Nazi Polka

[Spoken]
Wait a minute! Wait a minute! You there, you are not singing.
You do not like to sing? Tell me, you still have a family in Germany, nicht wahr? Sing!

Sing the I Was Not a Nazi Polka
Sieg heil!"

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b1...t/IMG_0173.jpg

:winkwink:

exactly.........where are all the german holocaust deniers now?

Affidavit signed by Rudolf Hoess attesting to the gassing of Jews while he was the commandant of the Auschwitz killing center.

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/media_da...1&MediaId=5628

also, a map titled "Jewish Executions Carried Out by Einsatzgruppen A"

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/media_da...1&MediaId=5617

A map with pictures of coffins and numbers next to them.

Don't need to read German to figure out this official Nazi document.

No it wasn't, The Egyptians well over 2,000 years ago not only knew the world was round, they had even measured it using shadows and got it quite accurate. But even before that going back to Persian or Babylonian astrologers 3,000 years ago. They knew the world was round.

In fact we have no written evidence of any ancient civilizations ever thinking the world was flat.

the first man to sail around the world and prove the world was round was Ferdinand Magellan, but even in his time, no one believed the world was flat. He just proved what everyone already knew

For some reason some people still believe that in Columbus time, people thought the world was flat, which is probably where you get your opinion from. But everybody knew that the world was a sphere by the time Columbus was born

Do US schools still teach the myth that Columbus proved the world was round or another period of time you are referring to?

Or did you pick that 'fact' up from watching cartoons? :1orglaugh

"Do US schools still teach the myth that Columbus proved the world was round or another period of time you are referring to? "


Not sure what they teach now, way back when I went to school the world was flat. :)

why am i still awake lol,

first link imo irrelavent bc it is after the fact, it is well known that many nazis signed whatever they were told to after pressure or promises of a better life in the USA or whereever after the war.

Second link, interesting, Einsatzgruppen certainly did exist and certainly did execute people behind the front lines, but as i understand it, they executed partisans, communists, jews and lots of people... in other words the map just shows that they executed people. yeah ok, but that could be anyone..... it doesn't mention jews anywhere on that photo.

Good question. Blow your brains out so there is one less fucktard left to breed

i am well aware that the greeks knew the earth was not flat etc, i was not aware the egyptians knew it but whatever, that knowledge was not passed on and was basically forgotten, i was merely making a point which was easy to convey pointing out that the minority is not always wrong.

coming from the douchebag with NOTHING to contribute to this thread but insults.... fuck off please

Seriously?? I mean really???? I don't mean to be insulting but...

JUDENFREI

The document, entitled "Jewish Executions Carried Out by Einsatzgruppen A" and stamped "Secret Reich Matter," shows the number of Jews executed (symbolized by coffins) in the Baltic states and Belorussia by late 1941. The legend near the bottom states that "the estimated number of Jews still on hand [was] 128,000."

Scholar right?

"it doesn't mention jews anywhere on that photo."

JUDENFREI then again at the bottom Juden.

I don't read German but I got that part.

opps missed that, (tired remember)

interesting... ill have a closer look

Here ya go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust

That must all be bullshit. Riiiiight

Tired is understandable.

Other wise I was gonna have to suggest you ask for a refund from that private school :) :)

lol wikipedia.... funny

yeah man i should fucking go to sleep its like 9am here almost lol. ridiculous. wtf is with my sleep these days.

It's probably associated with whatever mental illness you have :2 cents:

Wrong again. Stop getting your facts from cartoons.

No it wasn't forgotten and yes it was passed on. What you are quoting as fact is a complete myth. A modern day myth.

Almost no one in recorded history ever believed in a flat earth. The myth of the flat earth was stuck in our history books due to Irving in the 1800's writing that flat-Earth churchmen had opposed Columbus on the grounds that he would fall off the edge of the Earth if he tried to sail across the Atlantic. That was made up. It became a modern day myth.

It wasn't even believed even in Irvins time, it was only started to be believed when people arguing on Darwins side bought it up as fact, they used it as propaganda to show how people were once wrong. Like you are doing it now

They used it to back up their argument that Darwin was right, but it was propaganda that they knew not to have been true. (unlike you who doesn't know any better) :(

AGAIN. Almost no one in recorded history ever believed in a flat earth. It is a modern day myth. What we call in the UK "An old wives tale"

It is what uneducated idiots say when they are trying to back up an argument. But No, it is wrong. No no one ever believed the world was flat. No one.

You are wrong.