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Shap 02-05-2013 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19466012)
ola Shap! take charge never took off. it didn't taste good enough. folks loved it if i gave it away free but only a few bought it, i was giving away a ton via fb advertising so i wrapped that up.

i also had personal, health, and other things that impacted me all at once as well.

I understand. Why just disappear though? Seems weird. Just as a note I was impressed by what you had tried to do and would have tried to help you get some traction with it. But the fact you just disappeared I'd never back you or vouch for you to anyone. Just seems like such a weird move.

kane 02-05-2013 01:11 PM

To me the potential benefit of eating multiple smaller meals throughout the day is that it could help to curb hunger and reduce the chance of overeating. Other than that there doesn't appear to really be much of a benefit.

bronco67 02-05-2013 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix (Post 19465959)
can you offer more of an explanation?
I had thought it was a scientific fact, that when you eat just one meal a day your body will send some of the excess to fat storage. So eating more meals in a day will allow you to train your body not to store fat.

Apparently he has empirical evidence because he lost a bunch of weight by NOT eating small meals throughout the day. But that doesn't make the small meals thing a myth. Lots of people actually do lose weight by keeping their metabolism stoked through feeding it more frequently -- and I have evidence to that fact because that's how I lose 10 pounds quickly before before summer every year.

dyna mo 02-05-2013 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Shap (Post 19466023)
I understand. Why just disappear though? Seems weird. Just as a note I was impressed by what you had tried to do and would have tried to help you get some traction with it. But the fact you just disappeared I'd never back you or vouch for you to anyone. Just seems like such a weird move.

i appreciate the kind words about the product, I know you (and 1 other from around here) were fans. i agree that I did not handle the events of that time as well as I could have, I felt overwhelmed by things.

dyna mo 02-05-2013 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by georgeyw (Post 19466014)
I was actually trying to remember who that was the other day.

@ Dyna mo - are you still keeping up the workout / eating schedule/ If so care to share an average day of eating? I have 5 meals a day, the inbetween meals give me a nice pick me up inbetween major meals - usually a piece of fruit.

i actually just eat these days and it works out fine. if 5/day work for you, i'd stick with it.

slapass 02-05-2013 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Jakke PNG (Post 19465789)
(ex) fat people have a harder time to keep their weight off as people who've been slim forever. An ex-fat guy needs to eat less to maintain the same weight as the person who's been that size "always". There's been quite a few studies into this recently.

How unfair is that? :)

So a guy who was 400lbs and loses 200lbs spends less calories/day than a guy who's always been 200lbs.

The body thinks the 400lbs is the norm and tries to get back to that. Hooray for the slugginesh of evolution.

i'm fat btw and I don't blame outside sources, like slow metabolism or having nature fight against me. Weight CAN be still lost regardless of these. I just don't have the time/will to dedicate time into losing weight. Maybe after my first heart-attack I'll reconsider.

I try to use sex or the lack there of as the motivator.

Supz 02-05-2013 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19465727)
Masturbation increases metabolism.

I can bust this myth.

Phoenix 02-05-2013 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 19466008)
My personal trainer / registered nutrionist who also happens to be an IBBF ranked professional competitor strongly disagrees with you. :(

Same here...im currently developing a fitness/nutrition site and our in house expert just wrote an article saying the opposite.

dyna mo 02-05-2013 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 19466008)
My personal trainer / registered nutrionist who also happens to be an IBBF ranked professional competitor strongly disagrees with you. :(

what do you think?

WarChild 02-05-2013 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19466049)
what do you think?

For the most part I agree with her.

One thing that's pretty undeniable is that by eating many smaller meals you're going to keep your blood sugar level more constant and hopefully avoid large insulin responses. That's probably the most critical part of the equation.

$5 submissions 02-05-2013 01:53 PM

I lost 80 pounds just by skipping dinner. It's that simple.

dyna mo 02-05-2013 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 19466112)
For the most part I agree with her.

One thing that's pretty undeniable is that by eating many smaller meals you're going to keep your blood sugar level more constant and hopefully avoid large insulin responses. That's probably the most critical part of the equation.

i do have to disagree. 1 meal will spike bs 1 time, multiple meals spike bs multiple times.

it's just as easy dealing with a larger spike as a small spike- a blast of insulin.

bigluv 02-05-2013 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19466130)
i do have to disagree. 1 meal will spike bs 1 time, multiple meals spike bs multiple times.

it's just as easy dealing with a larger spike as a small spike- a blast of insulin.

Blood sugar is toxic. Body response will be different to higher levels vs smaller spikes.

I don't necessarily agree that many meals solves what we're talking about, but you are 100% wrong about this particular point.

Choopa Phil 02-05-2013 02:33 PM

I eat 6-8 times a day because one simply can not ingest 5k cals in 2 meals :). Cals in VS cals out, the only way to speed up your metabolism is with a stimulant not with food.

Bryan G 02-05-2013 02:37 PM

I might be wrong but I'd say everyone is different. What works for one might not for another. All these diet threads have so many different opinions on what to do. In all honestly I think just exercising and not being a glutton should work fine.

dyna mo 02-05-2013 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by bigluv (Post 19466188)
Blood sugar is toxic. Body response will be different to higher levels vs smaller spikes.

I don't necessarily agree that many meals solves what we're talking about, but you are 100% wrong about this particular point.




i've been diabetic for 33+ years, injected gallons of insulin and checked my sugars 10s of 1000s of times during that time.

it does not matter how much a healthy person eats, their sugar will NEVER get over 150-ish. you body secretes enough insulin to deal with the amount.

if your blood sugar goes over 150 when you eat, you have diabetes. end of story.

about 30g of food = 50 increase in blood sugar in my experience.

so a spike is a spike is a spike.

WarChild 02-05-2013 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19466320)
i've been diabetic for 33+ years, injected gallons of insulin and checked my sugars 10s of 1000s of times during that time.

it does not matter how much a healthy person eats, their sugar will NEVER get over 150-ish. you body secretes enough insulin to deal with the amount.

if your blood sugar goes over 150 when you eat, you have diabetes. end of story.

about 30g of food = 50 increase in blood sugar in my experience.

so a spike is a spike is a spike.

Right but the higher your blood sugar, the more insulin you will release. If you have a nice steady blood sugar, you're going to have less insulin spikes.

dyna mo 02-05-2013 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 19466327)
Right but the higher your blood sugar, the more insulin you will release. If you have a nice steady blood sugar, you're going to have less insulin spikes.

but it is more steady with 1 meal v several. 1 meal and you will level out and slowly decline. multi meals will have multiple small increases over the same 24 hours.

ottopottomouse 02-05-2013 04:25 PM

move to the north pole will help you lose weight but you never see the Go And Live In An Igloo diet promoted anywhere.

WarChild 02-05-2013 04:36 PM

I'm not really interested in arguing on GFY anymore so I'll just cut out at that.

dyna mo 02-05-2013 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 19466327)
Right but the higher your blood sugar, the more insulin you will release. If you have a nice steady blood sugar, you're going to have less insulin spikes.

i've been thinking about this, i think we are both not using the term insulin spike correctly. a normal increase in insulin in response to a reasonably balanced meal is not a spike. i had forgotten that.

so let's take 2000 cals of a reasonable macro-nutrient split.

that 2000 cals will increase your blood sugar the same, generally speaking, whether you consume it in 1 meal or 10 meals.

an insulin spike is the result of an abnormal ingestion- high carbs or more cals than needed. both of those will result in both a true spike, which must also include a crash, and more insulin secreted.


i think that is how i understand it.

dyna mo 02-05-2013 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 19466340)
I'm not really interested in arguing on GFY anymore so I'll just cut out at that.

sorry for any confusion, it seemed to me that we were sorting out a complicated topic.

nevertheless, the thread is to let dieters know they don't have to worry about 6 meals a day to lost weight. :) hopefully that makes it easier for someone.

tanlines 02-06-2013 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by CourtneyR_FFN (Post 19465898)
Just cut out sodas and snack foods. My whole family is over weight besides myself. Only difference is i quit drinking soda and eating chips when i was about 12.

:thumbsup this goes for even the "Zero" sodas and any type of juice. When I first started following a Paleo diet, I still kept up my Coke Zero addiction (2-3 cans/day). My body was definitely transforming with workouts and Paleo but it wasn't until I completely cut out the Coke Zero that the changes - especially around my waist - became very noticeable.

NETbilling 02-06-2013 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by kristin (Post 19465918)
Portion size matters, for anyone.

And you look awesome btw!

Katie-LifeSelector 02-06-2013 07:51 AM

The Insanity Workout, called insanity for a reason :

https://youtube.com/watch?v=1W-aNTrq_a4

John-ACWM 02-06-2013 08:10 AM

Different people, different metabolisms.

charlie g 02-06-2013 10:57 AM

I have gained approximately 13 kg in 3 months. How did I do it you ask? I drank approximately 3 2liter bottles of Coke everyday(sometimes more). I completely changed my sleep pattern, sleeping 3-4 hours a day. My sleep would come in 1 hour increments directly following gorging myself with greasy foods. I completely stopped all exercise including sex(no doggy or missionary, just let the girls ride).

It's amazing how quickly I have gotten fleshy layers of fat rolling around my waist. Kinda disgusting actually.

TheSquealer 02-06-2013 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by charlie g (Post 19467469)
I have gained approximately 13 kg in 3 months. How did I do it you ask? I drank approximately 3 2liter bottles of Coke everyday(sometimes more). I completely changed my sleep pattern, sleeping 3-4 hours a day. My sleep would come in 1 hour increments directly following gorging myself with greasy foods. I completely stopped all exercise including sex(no doggy or missionary, just let the girls ride).

It's amazing how quickly I have gotten fleshy layers of fat rolling around my waist. Kinda disgusting actually.

That is a fast track plan for insulin resistance (already happening) and adult onset diabetes.. It's impossible to over state how important it is to your health to stop the massive injections of super sugar into your system all day, everyday.

phonesexmistress 02-06-2013 11:29 AM

I think its common sense and let's face it, too many people don't have it. Weight loss is a huge $$$ industry. The market the same shit a 100 different ways. Personally I stick to whole organic foods. I don't focus on counting calories or taking funky shit that does nothing.

Elli 02-06-2013 01:28 PM

I tried eating more smaller meals, but because I was used to a certain portion size, I just ended up eating too MUCH. It's much easier for me to stick to the main three meals and just occasional snacks.

bronco67 02-06-2013 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Katie-LifeSelector (Post 19467144)
The Insanity Workout, called insanity for a reason :

https://youtube.com/watch?v=1W-aNTrq_a4

That stuff is all great....and I have the Insanity program DVDs.

But if you laid on your back wildly flailing your arms and legs around for 40 minutes a day, your results will be about the same.

dyna mo 02-06-2013 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Elli (Post 19467690)
I tried eating more smaller meals, but because I was used to a certain portion size, I just ended up eating too MUCH. It's much easier for me to stick to the main three meals and just occasional snacks.

I'm glad you mention this. The studies i've read debunking the frequent meals boost metabolism myth also state that eating more meals can be counter-productive for this very reason- lower calorie meals won't necessarily satiate hunger. you still feel hungry, consequently eating more and blowing your diet.

PR_Glen 02-06-2013 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Some Guy (Post 19465719)
If you work out hard on a regular basis then eating more actually can speed up your metabolism. I know this first-hand as I used to be pretty big into bodybuilding. Many sumo wrestlers achieve their size by eating one huge meal a day since this effectively slows their metabolism down.

(Everybody's different, however. What works for one person might not work for another. That's what most of these self-proclaimed diet gurus fail to realize.)

myth, eating all day keeps insulin high all day = impossible to burn fat

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Originally Posted by J. Falcon (Post 19465782)
Here is a great diet that is proven to work.

Carb Nite Solution


Been on it for one month and lost more than 6 kilos.

fuckin ay.. I have gained and lost weight over the years doing many different things and doing this and carb backloading got me better results than anything. I have complete control of my body since doing these..

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Originally Posted by Jakke PNG (Post 19465789)
(ex) fat people have a harder time to keep their weight off as people who've been slim forever. An ex-fat guy needs to eat less to maintain the same weight as the person who's been that size "always". There's been quite a few studies into this recently.

How unfair is that? :)

So a guy who was 400lbs and loses 200lbs spends less calories/day than a guy who's always been 200lbs.

The body thinks the 400lbs is the norm and tries to get back to that. Hooray for the slugginesh of evolution.

i'm fat btw and I don't blame outside sources, like slow metabolism or having nature fight against me. Weight CAN be still lost regardless of these. I just don't have the time/will to dedicate time into losing weight. Maybe after my first heart-attack I'll reconsider.

myth, all bodies are practically the same in composition.. it's peoples eating habits that make the differences. Find different habits.

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Originally Posted by ajrocks (Post 19465951)
Eating more small meals does work but it isn't because it speeds up your system. Your body can only process and use so much food at a time. Anymore then can be used at the time of digestion is stored. Eat small meals more often and your body will be able to burn those calories more efficiently and store less of it as body fat.

myth.. i eat 85% of my calories in one meal in a day and late.. and I'm lean.. (despite not being before or having a high metabolism)

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Originally Posted by Phoenix (Post 19465959)
can you offer more of an explanation?
I had thought it was a scientific fact, that when you eat just one meal a day your body will send some of the excess to fat storage. So eating more meals in a day will allow you to train your body not to store fat.

depends on what that meal is composed of... if its all carbs then definitely going to store as fat UNLESS that was a day you went heavy on the weights in the gym, that changes things.

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Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 19466008)
My personal trainer / registered nutrionist who also happens to be an IBBF ranked professional competitor strongly disagrees with you. :(

your personal trainer/ registered nutritionist / IBBF professional competitor decided not to read the actual science and studies done on this and read what Doctor Oz told him instead.

I know plenty of bodybuilder competitors who are retarded too, did you want me to quote them and give you false info as well? ;)



Dyna mo, Glad to have you back, good post and dead on here! OH, and I don't eat breakfast ;)

kristin 02-06-2013 01:55 PM

My suggestion: Rock climbing! :)

Choopa Phil 02-06-2013 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 19467724)


your personal trainer/ registered nutritionist / IBBF professional competitor decided not to read the actual science and studies done on this and read what Doctor Oz told him instead.

I know plenty of bodybuilder competitors who are retarded too, did you want me to quote them and give you false info as well? ;)



Dyna mo, Glad to have you back, good post and dead on here! OH, and I don't eat breakfast ;)


So true, not to mention they all claim to be natural, that XYZ works for this and that meanwhile they tell u what worked for THEM while they are cycling and using every other pharma under the sun.

Joshua G 02-06-2013 02:08 PM

shit. only 4pm EST & i already hit my calorie quota. :(

Choopa Phil 02-06-2013 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by JoshGirls Josh (Post 19467762)
shit. only 4pm EST & i already hit my calorie quota. :(

Eat more veggies! You have to eat exponentially more to get the same amount of cals as if you would from say a grain source, which will also keep you fuller longer

bigluv 02-06-2013 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19466320)
i've been diabetic for 33+ years, injected gallons of insulin and checked my sugars 10s of 1000s of times during that time.

it does not matter how much a healthy person eats, their sugar will NEVER get over 150-ish. you body secretes enough insulin to deal with the amount.

if your blood sugar goes over 150 when you eat, you have diabetes. end of story.

about 30g of food = 50 increase in blood sugar in my experience.

so a spike is a spike is a spike.

so in your experience, were you to cram 3000 calories into one meal, or split it into 6 meals, which would cause you to inject a higher total amount of insulin?

I'm assuming you are the kind of diabetic that doesn't produce any but I really dont know if thats common so if you aren't then my question is moot.

dyna mo 02-06-2013 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by bigluv (Post 19467804)
so in your experience, were you to cram 3000 calories into one meal, or split it into 6 meals, which would cause you to inject a higher total amount of insulin?

I'm assuming you are the kind of diabetic that doesn't produce any but I really dont know if thats common so if you aren't then my question is moot.

insulin dosages are determined via a sliding scale based PRIMARILY on the # of grams of carbs being ingested, i'm talking strictly based on meals, not dealing with an already elevated blood glucose reading.

so if that 3000 cals had more carbs then yes, i would take more insulin. but again, that would not be an insulin spike if it were a reasonable amount of carbs for me.

also, 3000 cals is ~1000 more cals than i need in 24 hours so for me, this would cause an insulin spike, not simply elevated insulin levels.

Imortyl Pussycat 02-06-2013 02:47 PM

i have to admit i bought into that 6 small meal hype. i just got the Jillian Michaels 90 day program and read the booklets that came with it. she says breakfast-lunch-snack-dinner in that order with no grazing at all and to space those evenly. i love her on the biggest loser and i will do what she says and see what happens


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