The Anatomy of a Porn Surfer

[digitaldivas]

OK,

Most of us, have beat off to porn, free or not, since we first got our computers. At least me. I have old 320 mb HDD's with 800x600 jpgs that are pixel artifact'd to shit, but i still have them. Also the old 320x240 480p movies that were like 3 minutes long that EVERY site used to have and back then, that shit was tech! Cutting edge.

I do know that you and I look at this shit 24/7. Or at least we should be, because that is our job. So my mind on how much a porn surfer downloads and keeps as a personal stash and what I do. >Over 4 tb. Well, there is just a big difference. But if we didn't love it, we wouldn't do it, and be on here everyday like old hags, lol. Even though I dig all of you.

I think that the porn surfer falls into categories.

The Sometime Porn surfer. Yes, these people will use tubes, and never download anything. Because they have wives, girlfriends that live with them, they are on shared computers and can figure out the basics of clearing a browser cache, etc. They memorize the urls of fav tube sites and there ya go. These fuckers might even feel guilty afterwards, laying in a pool of their own cum. You can add church goers, gov workers, perverts that surf at work, etc., to this fabulous bunch.

The Hobbyist. These people are single, male or female and have a private folder somewhere on their HDD. They live alone, or are swingers and if they can't find what they are looking for on the tubes, they have that "fallback". Clips that they beat off too over and over, year after year. These people might join a couple of sites, but just because they want that "holy grail" clip in the highest resolution possible.

The Collector. These are people that look at porn with maybe the same frequency as you or me. They are anti social sometimes, if not all the time, and the other half of the group is societally normal, they just fucking love porn. These people join member sites, do the clips, cam and VOD thing, and more often than not, are very niche specific. They don't mind throwing down bread for good porn because they have some sort of a notion how shit works. They have seen sites that they really dig go under, etc. And I swear to fucking God, on some subconscious level, they support the shit they love to beat off too. They will surf tubes sometimes, but they are into quality

Popperheads. These crazy bastards beat off to porn with amyl and a rope around they're necks probably, lmfao. These people love tubes because as some of you well know, when your in a popper fog and wantin that nut, reaaaal bad, you like the convenience of quickly going from clip to clip, to clip. But, they are collectors as well. Especially the more poppers they do, they more depraved shit they are down to beat off too. They fucking love tubes, but are also versed in the industry, seen sites go, etc. And will support the cause as well. I know this guy on ICQ that runs a gay big cock site. He built that fucker huffing, so the popperhead who surfed his shit and was into that niche, would click his link and think he went to fucking heaven. Bookmark!! His conversion ratio is ridiculous and well, I guess he knew his audience inside and out. Suck dick clips, cumshot ads on the sidebar. I'm sure that site looks like fucking 6 flags to the everyday gay big cock popperhead, but wabmaster knows his niche and the dirty sluts that surf it = profit!

Out of the 4 types, 3 are buying subscriptions, BUT who is going to throw down cash for the dreaded red hue pics, or the green or blue hue pics. Basically pics that the original editor didn't give a fuck about enough to spend 5 goddamn seconds cleaning the pic up to make it A. jerkoffable and B. collectable

OR
Shitty tour with zero incentive. 800x800px cookie cutter sites are out, as of 2006, mkay?

OR
320x240 video clips. Yes, people still do this... >For fucks sakes, UPGRADE! HD, Hd, HDV for the win.

OR models/sets that do not tell a story. Any good photographer that is passionate about the shit he or she is shooting, will absolutely take the pepsi challenge on their content vs. content that the photog did not give a fuck about, or did not understand the niche and had zero clue what the fuck he or she was doing. The surfer that IS into the niche laughs at the dismal attempt on this or that particular brand of perversion and will run to the niche fetish boards and gossip about the lame site they just saw, like an old hag... I am on these boards, I've seen it happen. Anyway, the pics are all fucked up. Shots too close, no imagination, just a clusterfuck of random NORMAL pussy. Why am I gonna drop 30 bucks on shit i can google from a goddamn tgp?!?

As a foot fetishist. I want HD everything, it betters the mindfuck I experience when I jack off to it. I want at least 2000 px wide shit that will cover my entire freaking screen. Color corrected, because it lets me know that you give a fuck. I want to see the pores on the soles of her feet, imperfections of her toenails, I WANT TO BE THERE! ...basically.

Just thoughts. But for some, conversion ratios aren't too shabby. I'm just sayin

[notinmybackyard]

Originally Posted by digitaldivas

OK,

Most of us, have beat off to porn, free or not, since we first got our computers. At least me. I have old 320 mb HDD's with 800x600 jpgs that are pixel artifact'd to shit, but i still have them. Also the old 320x240 480p movies that were like 3 minutes long that EVERY site used to have and back then, that shit was tech! Cutting edge.

I do know that you and I look at this shit 24/7. Or at least we should be, because that is our job. So my mind on how much a porn surfer downloads and keeps as a personal stash and what I do. >Over 4 tb. Well, there is just a big difference. But if we didn't love it, we wouldn't do it, and be on here everyday like old hags, lol. Even though I dig all of you.

I think that the porn surfer falls into categories.

The Sometime Porn surfer. Yes, these people will use tubes, and never download anything. Because they have wives, girlfriends that live with them, they are on shared computers and can figure out the basics of clearing a browser cache, etc. They memorize the urls of fav tube sites and there ya go. These fuckers might even feel guilty afterwards, laying in a pool of their own cum. You can add church goers, gov workers, perverts that surf at work, etc., to this fabulous bunch.

The Hobbyist. These people are single, male or female and have a private folder somewhere on their HDD. They live alone, or are swingers and if they can't find what they are looking for on the tubes, they have that "fallback". Clips that they beat off too over and over, year after year. These people might join a couple of sites, but just because they want that "holy grail" clip in the highest resolution possible.

The Collector. These are people that look at porn with maybe the same frequency as you or me. They are anti social sometimes, if not all the time, and the other half of the group is societally normal, they just fucking love porn. These people join member sites, do the clips, cam and VOD thing, and more often than not, are very niche specific. They don't mind throwing down bread for good porn because they have some sort of a notion how shit works. They have seen sites that they really dig go under, etc. And I swear to fucking God, on some subconscious level, they support the shit they love to beat off too. They will surf tubes sometimes, but they are into quality

Popperheads. These crazy bastards beat off to porn with amyl and a rope around they're necks probably, lmfao. These people love tubes because as some of you well know, when your in a popper fog and wantin that nut, reaaaal bad, you like the convenience of quickly going from clip to clip, to clip. But, they are collectors as well. Especially the more poppers they do, they more depraved shit they are down to beat off too. They fucking love tubes, but are also versed in the industry, seen sites go, etc. And will support the cause as well. I know this guy on ICQ that runs a gay big cock site. He built that fucker huffing, so the popperhead who surfed his shit and was into that niche, would click his link and think he went to fucking heaven. Bookmark!! His conversion ratio is ridiculous and well, I guess he knew his audience inside and out. Suck dick clips, cumshot ads on the sidebar. I'm sure that site looks like fucking 6 flags to the everyday gay big cock popperhead, but he knows his niche.

Out of the 4 types, 3 are buying subscriptions, BUT who is going to throw down cash for the dreaded red hue pics, or the green or blue hue pics. Basically pics that the original editor didn't give a fuck about enough to spend 5 goddamn seconds cleaning the pic up to make it A. jerkoffable and B. collectable

OR
Shitty tour with zero incentive

OR
320x240 video clips. For fucks sakes, UPGRADE! HD, Hd, HDV for the win.

OR models that do not tell a story. The pics are all fucked up. Shots too close, no imagination, just a clusterfuck of random NORMAL pussy.

Just thoughts. But for some, conversion ratios aren't too shabby. I'm just sayin

I love couleurful language. I wish I knew english better so I could do it as well as you do.

ok...
At least now some people are talking about the differences between porn buyer and porn surfer(consumer). There is a big difference between them and the way you approach them has also go to be different.

For exemple..

Porn surfer :

• Fuck you production companies, I prefer to masturbate to real amateur not your shit.
• Give it to me free all porn should be free....
• If you want to make money go get a McJob and stop spreading your legs whore....
• Shave the fucking cunt bitch...
• That slut is so hot she says she is 19 but I bet she is really 16.
• Etc... etc... etc...

Porn buyer :

• That girl looks like just my wife did 20 years ago.
• Is the girl in the video look like she is enjoying the sex?
• Is the girl a normal woman or an over dressed princess perhaps whore?
• Are they having the kind of sex I would actually like to try ?
• Will this video help me get laid ? Or at least find a masturbation buddy ?
• Is this something I feel safe/comfortable showing my wife(girlfriend) ?
• If I find a girl I like, will it be hard to find other videos of her?
• Can I get this video discreetly?
• Can I send you cash ?? (Believe it or not I still get cash in the mail)
• Will this video be decent quality ?
• Etc... etc... etc... etc..

It is not about pushing things too far and sticking fireworks in a woman's ass while a man with a 30 inch penis fucks her vaginally and Japanese girl urinates in her mouth. Because without a doubt a video scene like that will be pirated and uploaded to hundreds of tubes. (Without a doubt it will be popular ! But will it make you money?)

Technology is almost never the solution to any business problem. More often than not, it is the problem.

The solution to business problems rest in sound orthodox business practices and getting inside the head of those that buy from you. The more you understand the mentality of the actual buyer the more money you can make.

Whereas this shotgun effect of throwing a billion people at a website and hoping someone will buy only destroys long term profitability. And this is what is happing to most of the porn industry.

[digitaldivas]

PRODUCERS:
Hold the fucking camera like I would. Make me be there. You paid this girl however many hundreds of bucks. Show me everything. You don't even know me, but your a niche fetish producer, so you'd damn well better know the basis of what I'm about. Don't just shoot shit YOU like, I like top shots, POV, toenails, not just soles. Seems like some niche fetish sites are shot more for the producer than surfers... Mindfuck me real good the first time, and I will come back over and over and over. I love sites I have been too over the years, where I can actually see the photographer grow. Progress. Temper and mature the vision that they have to just put it out there. Because your THAT fucking passionate about it. Maybe I have no fucking life. Show me my perversion through YOUR eyes. Addict me to it. Quit fucking crying, find your balls and forge onward, motherfuckers. Or get the fuck off the bus.

Holy Fuck, if every producer had that passion, EVERYTHING would be better. Through passion would breed cohesion and through that cohesion would breed a clear path on many different topics that are important as fuck right now, but nobody want to drive.

Just the way this "mom and pop" see's it.

[digitaldivas]

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

I love couleurful language. I wish I knew english better so I could do it as well as you do.

ok...
At least now some people are talking about the differences between porn buyer and porn surfer(consumer). There is a big difference between them and the way you approach them has also go to be different.

For exemple..

Porn surfer :

• Fuck you production companies, I prefer to masturbate to real amateur not your shit.
• Give it to me free all porn should be free....
• If you want to make money go get a McJob and stop spreading your legs whore....
• Shave the fucking cunt bitch...
• That slut is so hot she says she is 19 but I bet she is really 16.
• Etc... etc... etc...

Porn buyer :

• That girl looks like just my wife did 20 years ago.
• Is the girl in the video look like she is enjoying the sex?
• Is the girl a normal woman or an over dressed princess perhaps whore?
• Are they having the kind of sex I would actually like to try ?
• Will this video help me get laid ? Or at least find a masturbation buddy ?
• Is this something I feel safe/comfortable showing my wife(girlfriend) ?
• If I find a girl I like, will it be hard to find other videos of her?
• Can I get this video discreetly?
• Can I send you cash ?? (Believe it or not I still get cash in the mail)
• Will this video be decent quality ?
• Etc... etc... etc... etc..

It is not about pushing things too far and sticking fireworks in a woman's ass while a man with a 30 inch penis fucks her vaginally and Japanese girl urinates in her mouth. Because without a doubt a video scene like that will be pirated and uploaded to hundreds of tubes. (Without a doubt it will be popular ! But will it make you money?)

Technology is almost never the solution to any business problem. More often than not, it is the problem.

The solution to business problems rest in sound orthodox business practices and getting inside the head of those that buy from you. The more you understand the mentality of the actual buyer the more money you can make.

Whereas this shotgun effect of throwing a billion people at a website and hoping someone will buy only destroys long term profitability. And this is what is happing to most of the porn industry.

I absolutely agree with you about knowing your niche. If you don't, people will laugh at you and I guaran-god-fucking-tee you that 40 percent, at least of producers shooting niche shit are doing it for the buck, and it is glaringly evident.

Do I want someone as a member that has the "porn surfer" mentality you just stated, Fuck No! Chrageback anyone? These people are just selfish, woman hating fucks who do not give a shit about anything but themselves.

There is always that first hour, after a surfer purchases, that he or she will love the site or have remorse and risk a chargeback or resent the site and talk shit about the experience for the rest of his or her life. It's amazing the mental mindfucks that go through someones head, from the time of
landing on a site
clicking through the site
deciding to join
deciding on whether it was a "good buy" or not.

[notinmybackyard]

Originally Posted by digitaldivas

PRODUCERS:
Hold the fucking camera like I would. Make me be there. You paid this girl however many hundreds of bucks. Show me everything. You don't even know me, but your a niche fetish producer, so you'd damn well better know the basis of what I'm about. Don't just shoot shit YOU like, I like top shots, POV, toenails, not just soles. Seems like some niche fetish sites are shot more for the producer than surfers... Mindfuck me real good the first time, and I will come back over and over and over. I love sites I have been too over the years, where I can actually see the photographer grow. Progress. Temper and mature the vision that they have to just put it out there. Because your THAT fucking passionate about it. Maybe I have no fucking life. Show me my perversion through YOUR eyes. Addict me to it. Quit fucking crying, find your balls and forge onward, motherfuckers. Or get the fuck off the bus.

You just agreed with what I said about getting inside the head of the buyer.

[digitaldivas]

I hand do everything, man. I'm on 12 hours, right now, listening to fucking podcasts about blog optimization and I will smoke a bowl, shit, wake up and do it all over again tomorrow. And I love it! I love learning so much about hustling on the net. Some of you make much more than me, I make more than some.

I am not bitching, though. I am happy to be here. Happy to be on this fucking board for over 1/2 decade, since 2007. I am forging through this shit just like everyone else on here. I do everything by hand because of passion. I will work that extra hour a day because of passion to make, for instance, naturallyvoluptuous, or footpervert or digitaldivasonline the best sites in their niche. It's not all flashy with css and sprockets and lightbox and shit everywhere, I am learning as I go.

Same for my paysites. I will work 2 jobs this year if I have too, to make my fucking updates. Because I LOVE feet. I LOVE the fetish community online. I love going on surfer boards and interacting with my people. I would pawn shit so I can make a hosting payment. I just honestly think that alot of people do not have real passion, so you have already failed.

Honestly, my biggest thing is spending all my time, building shit, indexing the net for tits or feet that no one knows about yet. And not spending enough time generating traffic. I know I have to work on that, but Goddammit, I have a clear path. This is all I ever want to do. I am just proud to be in adult, as retarded or dumb as that sounds. And to be able to talk to you all.

I'm just over the bitching on here recently about sales and shit. Your website is your garden. You reap what you sow. 1:100 conversions still exist if you slang it right. Tell your surfers a story. Tell them about you. Don't make your site so unapproachable that people don't get you. It's that right dose of personality along with the porn that makes people think "hey, he's like me", or whatever. I code for the subconscious of a surfer as well as his dick and his eyes.

I feel that when I master that, I will never have to work a job again. I can do what I was put here to do. And that is to effectively sell fantasies. My site or the hundreds of sponsors I have. To put the vision of what they are all about into the physical realm.

[digitaldivas]

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

You just agreed with what I said about getting inside the head of the buyer.

yes i did.

[notinmybackyard]

Originally Posted by digitaldivas

Do I want someone as a member that has the "porn surfer" mentality you just stated, Fuck No! Chrageback anyone? These people are just selfish, woman hating fucks who do not give a shit about anything but themselves.

There is always that first hour, after a surfer purchases, that he or she will love the site or have remorse and risk a chargeback or resent the site and talk shit about the experience for the rest of his or her life. It's amazing the mental mindfucks that go through someones head, from the time of
landing on a site
clicking through the site
deciding to join
deciding on whether it was a "good buy" or not.

See the problem with the Internet is it empowers the asshole. For my business I went in the opposite direction and actively enforced a no Internet precense rule. (Yes I know it goes against everything everyone says must be done. ** Before anyone asks, I must state that I am on this forum because of a file locker piracy problem I had.** )


It had become obvious that there was problems on the horizon and I needed to develop solutions. Rumeurs had started about giving away porn for free and piracy has always been a problem in this industry; looking at the music industry I knew it would get worst.

So I discontinued my english products and dropped distribution to the United States. I then focused on more direct business to client interaction. I sponsored events with long time buyers and recruited a handful of them for several focus groups. Of course I had my sales data but I wanted to know which girl, video, etc. that they liked and why? Also what else could I do to enhance their desire for my product.


Obviously the focus group was some hardcore single male punters. (Married men and those seeking discretion had no interest in either the event or even showing their faces. )But I learned not only what makes them buy but also what makes them pirate.

Bref if I write more I will be giving out too much information.
So I will just say we agree. Regardless of medium choosen to distribute, the smart pornographer needs to build a mental relationship with their buyers.

[digitaldivas]

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

See the problem with the Internet is it empowers the asshole. For my business I went in the opposite direction and actively enforced a no Internet precense rule. (Yes I know it goes against everything everyone says must be done. ** Before anyone asks, I must state that I am on this forum because of a file locker piracy problem I had.** )


It had become obvious that there was problems on the horizon and I needed to develop solutions. Rumeurs had started about giving away porn for free and piracy has always been a problem in this industry; looking at the music industry I knew it would get worst.

So I discontinued my english products and dropped distribution to the United States. I then focused on more direct business to client interaction. I sponsored events with long time buyers and recruited a handful of them for several focus groups. Of course I had my sales data but I wanted to know which girl, video, etc. that they liked and why? Also what else could I do to enhance their desire for my product.


Obviously the focus group was some hardcore single male punters. (Married men and those seeking discretion had no interest in either the event or even showing their faces. )But I learned not only what makes them buy but also what makes them pirate.

Bref if I write more I will be giving out too much information.
So I will just say we agree. Regardless of medium choosen to distribute, the smart pornographer needs to build a mental relationship with their buyers.

That is interesting in the sale of physical goods, which is what I assume your referring. But, just my humble op. I would think that pulling presence off of the internet, that you are leaving a 2 billion person market in the dark. Not to mention, further branding of your product. Again though, I have no idea about your product, products/

But if you could effectively have the groups and a following, again, depending on what your selling, that might be prudent as well. Idk, cars get stolen, but I have a car. There is risk in everything. However, there are also a ton of good anti piracy tools in place, as is, like strongbox, people that you can hire to search the net for infringement, etc. I would assume, however, that this is all at the mercy of your current business model, anyway.

[notinmybackyard]

Originally Posted by digitaldivas

That is interesting in the sale of physical goods, which is what I assume your referring. But, just my humble op. I would think that pulling presence off of the internet, that you are leaving a 2 billion person market in the dark. Not to mention, further branding of your product. Again though, I have no idea about your product, products/

But if you could effectively have the groups and a following, again, depending on what your selling, that might be prudent as well. Idk, cars get stolen, but I have a car. There is risk in everything. However, there are also a ton of good anti piracy tools in place, as is, like strongbox, people that you can hire to search the net for infringement, etc. I would assume, however, that this is all at the mercy of your current business model, anyway.

I know it is contrary to everything we are told. But I have spent more than 40 years in porn doing the opposite of what everyone else is doing. After some sluggish to stale growth between 2000 and 2004, my business has been growing steadily since 2005 and my worst years were actually 1981 and 1982. Today my biggest problem today is my old age.

Piracy has always been a problem in this industry. However in the 1970s I used to just make a phone call to Violi and the problem was fixed. Today it takes a little bit of unorthodox thinking. I have an on going problem with gypsies downloading from file lockers my films and then selling copies for 2 euros on the streets.

Obviously the solution is

1. keeping my films out of the hands of those that will rip it.
2. When one of my films is pirated knowing the source of the pracy
3. Going after the source real fast and ruining their life.
4. Getting copies of my films off the streets after the piracy has occured.

Doing the above requires a large amount of control over the product. And that can not be accomplished using the Internet.

[SilentKnight]

Finally! A worthy biz thread with some good insight.

One thought - I've known a few of our loyal niche fetish subscribers who after a few years of constant renewing - contacted us to say their niche interests had changed (or evolved) and they were moving on to the next thing that turns their crank. They'd "outgrown" our production (i.e. - went from viewing BDSM to strictly foot fetish, or shiny/latex/rubber costumes only, let's say).

In which case, unless we made a shift in production to accomodate their evolving interest, we'd have no choice but to lose that particular paying customer.

Perhaps the 'evolving customer' would compromise its own category, IMO.

Good thread.

[notinmybackyard]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

In which case, unless we made a shift in production to accomodate their evolving interest, we'd have no choice but to lose that particular paying customer.

Perhaps the 'evolving customer' would compromise its own category, IMO.

Good thread.

This is where brand marketing and customer loyalty becomes a major factor.
Customers tend not to enjoy shopping around. (the risk) So if you branded your product well and establish good relationships with your buyers.... most will allow a business the opportunity to research and redesign its product line.

[digitaldivas]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

Finally! A worthy biz thread with some good insight.

One thought - I've known a few of our loyal niche fetish subscribers who after a few years of constant renewing - contacted us to say their niche interests had changed (or evolved) and they were moving on to the next thing that turns their crank. They'd "outgrown" our production (i.e. - went from viewing BDSM to strictly foot fetish, or shiny/latex/rubber costumes only, let's say).

In which case, unless we made a shift in production to accomodate their evolving interest, we'd have no choice but to lose that particular paying customer.

Perhaps the 'evolving customer' would compromise its own category, IMO.

Good thread.

Hay,
For me, I will always be into women's feet. Have other fetishes come out of that, yes. But the basis form of my perversion, is that woman is God, pretty much, so the foot fetish is natural. Now to personify woman, I got into big areolas, long labia, etc. But I will always be a foot perv deep down. I could never NOT be into feet.

That is interesting though. Maybe people just trying shit out. Or having a feeling about a particular perversion then moving on to something else. Imho, a dedicated or lifestyler, won't forget what really gets them going. Fetish = Obsession. On that note, I tell ya, fetlife, is going to school, seeing what some of these groups are into and the shit that they post.

[digitaldivas]

no problem