Originally Posted by woj (Post 19455008)

unless you are working out "professionally", the exact numbers don't matter matter much... advice of eating healthier (less fat, less sugar, fewer calories, etc), and starting to exercise most days of the week will work for 99% of the people that are interested in "getting in shape"...

you on the other hand, are in the other 1%, probably trying to push your body to the limits, staying lean while building muscle at the same time... so yea, for you it is a bit tricky to figure out how much cardio you need to do, how many calories, how many grams of protein you need to consume per day, etc...

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19454990)

i see now, i think the difference here is you are talking general terms, as you mention, getting a "fairly decent idea" of what's what. that's not really the cals in = cals out paradigm, which means counting cals and counting cals is a nightmare that is next to impossible to sort out once serious cardio is introduced. hell, it's hard enough counting cals in by themselves.

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19455033)

but i was in the hospital and rehab for 2+months ...

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 19455050)

did it have anything to do with your diet or working out?

Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19455049)

Yeah, sorry. I mean i have to deal with these questions daily. So I find myself falling into "oh... not this shit again", responses. My bad.

"knowing how many calories you eat" - easy to know. And 'how many calories did I burn" - i.e. figuring out your bmr, estimating what you are burning per cardio/workout/exercise session etc... is about a guestimation and then being consistent and seeing where the needle on the scale is moving and adjusting accordingly.

It feels like you think its harder than it is. Any heart rate monitor is going to give you a fairly accurate idea of what you're burning through exercises.



Your very right. 100 calories matters. Thats why i say its important to know exactly what you are putting into your mouth.

Also, this might be where we are diverging a little in our perspectives. What type of calories you are eating is 100% irrelevant as someone at 35% bodyfat, trying to get to 15%. First and foremost, they have to get caloric intake under control. People use "good for me/bad for me" to rationalize their eating habits vs simply counting calories and being 100% certain.

I have a few people that every 3-4-5 weeks will come back to me with the exact same arguments. "i'm doing everything right and my weight is staying the same". Then i start probing, ... "ok, lets look at myfitnesspal and see your food logs". Response is always the same "uhm... well... uhm... haven't been logging my food".

Then i ask "how have you been eating" and the funniest thing happens EVERY SINGLE TIME... a hesitation, they look away briefly and say "uhm... i've been doing good".

Then I probe more and of course, all the sweets, dinners out etc are slowly admitted to.

Then i ask "why are you certain you are doing everything right, when you have no idea if the last meal you ate was 300 calories or 500 calories or 600 calories" and on it goes.

Nothing matters for people who are struggling until they get their daily caloric intake dialed in and 100% under control. As ones body fat decreases and weight loss is getting a little difficult, as you hit plateaus etc, then its fine to start talking about types of calories, controlling ratios of carbs/proteins/fats, increasing/decreasing fat intake, types of carbs etc etc etc. Until that point and as a general rule those things are irrelevant (when it comes to overweight people losing weight).

Getting from 12% to 6% is infinitely harder than getting from 45% to 25% (the vast majority of Americans). For most people, their body starts fighting back. So i can accept that yeah, you have to start playing with these things, types of calories etc when you start getting down to 10% range and are trying to get down to 6% or whatever or prepare for a show, modeling gig, bodybuilding contest etc. But for 99% of people that are overweight and struggling, its irrelevant to look at those things or go into that level of detail.

This is more what I am saying. Operating within the norms, its calories in vs calories out and the type of calories makes no difference.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08...sor/index.html

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19455143)

yes, well, kinda, i had badly broken foot from a motorcycle accident years ago that was not set properly and has been grinding around all this time, as a result of my exercising, it finally shattered, i didn't pay much attention to it and the bone became infected, docs had to remove ~12% of my foot. i have a pic if you want to see.

i see what you are saying.

myfitnesspal kicks ass! and is super easy to use.

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 19455163)

no, thanks, i just ate... :1orglaugh

and i use myfitnesspal too - used it already the first time 2 years ago when i lost almost 40 lbs