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just to clear this up - it's not mainly about losing weight for me - i know how to do that and as long as i keep discipline i keep losing - or maintain what i have achieved. people who met me 3 years back and today know that :)
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1 pound of fat = 3500 calories your daily caloric intake = ~2000-2500 calories losing 1 pound of fat per week means a daily deficit of ~500 calories. Not difficult. losing 3 pounds of fat per week means a daily deficit of 1500. Doable, but difficult and most likely "weight loss" is going to be 30-50% lean muscle mass being lost. losing 5 pounds of body fat per week??? means a daily deficit of 2500 calories. Unless you are in a prison camp, or morbidly obese, not very likely. You are giving to much credit to a "thing", fake testimonials, tricks of photography and ignoring the fundamentals of human physiology. Dramatic weight loss AND muscle gain DO NOT happen at the same time. Dramatic fat loss causes dramatic lean muscle mass loss. That is not subject to argument. That's a simple fact of human physiology. Bodybuilders don't do cardio. Thats why. Don't buy into fads, hype and bs. Bodybuilders aren't looking for "fun new exercises" to develop their bodies because there are none. Everyone is doing squats, bench press, curls etc. You have a finite number of muscles. They all serve to either stabilize, push or pull. Every "magic weight loss workout" relies on the same principles... just as every "magic weight loss diet..." relies on the principle of eating fewer calories than you burn. And I hate to say this, but you are 100% wrong, nothing is going to be more effective for a male when it comes to weight loss and overall health (on many levels) than "a little jogging and lifting a couple of weights". :) |
i've had good success following DVD workout programs. i find following along to the workouts to be a better motivator than jogging a bit and lifting some weights, not that there is anything wrong with that-it is whatever works.
but re: the op, when it's come time for me to start another p90x cycle and i'm a bit out of it or not feeling like it, i start off with the beachbody 10 minute trainer, just 1 10 minute session a day for a couple days then i am easily adding 10 minute sessions until i am at 40 minutes which is usually enough to get my motivation and such going enough to begin a p90x cycle. http://www.beachbody.com/product/fit...er.do?t=tmt1b2 |
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well, since you obviously either ignore what i write and/or think i am stupid, i dont think it makes much sense to argue with you since it will end up like a discussion with Paul Markham and i dont even disagree with you (mostly) |
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you mentioned vegas though, they shut down the weight room there for the show and all i did was what I suggested above.. about a 15-20 minute workout and I didn't gain any weight at the show despite eating my face off.. ( i can't believe how much i ate there.. it was insane!) |
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in other words, macro-nutrient ratios and food quality matter more. |
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i dont think that jogging and weight lifting are worse, they just LOOK less effective based on REAL (not testimonials) peoples results. and please dont assume that i can't tell apart what is real and what is fake - that is something i take as insult to my intelligence |
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I was always a heavy weight/low rep guy when I lifted all the time, but I'm going to give P90x a try then Insanity after I'm done. |
fitty.......insane workouts
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thought you meant going postal
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so are you motivated yet?
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thats a general problem i have |
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"I'll work out once I add 2 more galleries to this site." ... 10 more galleries, couple Skype conversations later... still no workout. :1orglaugh |
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AMEN to THIS :) Period ! |
also, not sure who all here has attempted to calculate cals in v cals out while doing serious cardio but that shit is next to impossible.
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So what people are saying is, that if I purchase P90X and force my gf to do it - she'll loose the 30 pounds she's gained from eating my cooking over the last two years.
I'm fucking game, since I also for some reason voulenteered for the local firebrigade I could probably use to regain some muscle mass.. Someone with a UK amazon aff link hit me up :thumbsup |
I would say, no matter what package it's in (px90, insane etc. etc.), the same as putting together one's diet to be healthy and tasty at the same time, one also needs to find exercise that suits and works for them (it's easier to keep the discipline if one enjoys working out).
In my top workout regime it was: 4 - 6 times a week gym (4 times while if beeing out of the weekend, 6 times if having a weekend for myself) Out of that: 2 - 3 x weights, in general lower weights with 3 - 4 series x 15 - 20 repetitions per each segment Always enjoyed lifting weights since I did a lot of that back in the day. 2 - 3x cardio at the start the goal was to burn 400 calories a session (cca 40 min on treadmill) - first month then scaling it up to 500 (cca 50 min or higher intensity) - second month and 600 calories (usually 55 min with higher intensity) per session - third month Keeping my pulse during each session at cca 140 / min which is approx 70 pct. of the maximum Always enjoyed the feeling after I hit the goal on the counter. That all while eating five times a day with approx, 30 g of proteine, twice as much carbs (not inluding the last meal) and a total of cca 50 g fat a day, which is not so hard to achieve if one ignores fastfood or eating out more often than once in a while. In 90 days went from 83 kg to cca 81,5 kg (only lost about three pounds) while losing about 12 cm in waist (close to 5 inches) and looking totally different. Actually, this works very well if one works self employed mainly by the PC and can prepair his own meals (an exact contradiction to the reasoning what almost everyone else out of shape uses). Reminds me I should start to get back in shape again. |
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I started out by going to the gym, after 3 months and losing 20lbs I fixed my diet and upped my training, 1 year on I eat healthy and work out hard. It becomes a lifestyle, most people just need to get over that first month of training and the rest falls into place. |
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Hey - did you get your luggage back?
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no "insanity" workout needed, there's no magic workout plan. eat right, don't eat too much and go to the gym.
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cardio is never enough and if you do too much of it you just end up burning protein and muscle anyway.. I'm lean as shit and hardly do any cardio at all--with a super slow metabolism.
getting a handle on your carb consumption is an absolute must though. i was tubby for years no matter how much i worked out until i caught on to that one.. |
Back before I tore my rotator cuff years ago I was in the gym 4 - 5 days a week (about 1 hour or so a day), eating 5 - 6 healthy meals a day, and had a trainer who knew how to attack every muscle a different way and push me. My gains were incredible. So were my farts from protein intake. No real system, just diet, free weights, a hard ass trainer, and motivation.
After the injury that was more or less the end of any real fitness for me. Since then it has been on again off again and I never really hit it hard because of the old injury (should have had surgery to fix it) and now a few new ones due to a motorbike accident. *sigh* Point is, a solid diet and hitting the gym with someone who knows how to do it right will work just fine. But if you don't know how to train properly, while it is better than nothing, you won't get the speedy results you're looking for. It is worth getting a trainer to help you, and make sure you choose one who is in the sort of shape you want to be in. Too many tubs of shit pretending to be trainers these days. |
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There's so many small things you can start with and they all add up.
After a few weeks a new habit forms. Think small steps and long term! |
This workout has the perfect name ' insane'. I do speed-fitness 2 times / week - 20 minutes - works for me.
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It's very very simple Do x amount every day Eat x amount every day Weigh yourself every morning Which direction is your body weight headinog? Very basic stuff. The same very basic stuff that millions and millions of people have mastered to control their body weight. :) Besides, it's very easy to estimate and heart rate monitors work quite well. |
And it's worth pointing out with respect to the "calories in vs calories out" argument that every single fitness professional, fitness model and body builder who routinely lowers their body fat % are doing the exact same thing. There is no bizarre discussion of "it's nearly impossible...". There is only understanding and doing. Take that discussion to any fitness and bodybuilding forum and see how far it gets :)
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hardly an excuse. so tell me- how many cals did i burn doing my 45 min cardio session this morning? if I lose 2 pounds then do the same session, how many cals will i burn? 155 lbs 6' 9% bf |
oh and re: excuses, i've done p90x 8 times in the last 3 years, i typically do a 90 day cycles, then chill for a couple months, then do a 90 day session.
so i'm way past making excuses. i'm talking from experience and getting my bf down from 23% to as low as 6%. |
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My point was that its not "nearly impossible". Its the first step and most fundamental part of the process that all serious people have to go through and dial in as a starting point. Besides, I am talking about weight loss and burning fat and in that context. It takes time to dial it in. It takes time to dial it in for every human being on the planet that struggles with weight loss. Almost every piece of cardio equipment in any gym on the western world allows you to enter your height, weight, measures distance/intensity and gives you fairly decent idea of where you're at in terms of calories burned. It's not some eternal secret kept by a little old man on a mountain top in the Himalayas :). To pre-empt the next point which typically follows as part of the defensive behavior I deal with daily,.... to take that info provided by that equipment/body fat tester/heart rate monitor and then argue its not 100% accurate is totally moot.. as it's purpose is to provide a consistent baseline to work from. |
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Your experience is just that... your personal experience with respect to you and what YOU did. |
i see now, i think the difference here is you are talking general terms, as you mention, getting a "fairly decent idea" of what's what. that's not really the cals in = cals out paradigm, which means counting cals and counting cals is a nightmare that is next to impossible to sort out once serious cardio is introduced. hell, it's hard enough counting cals in by themselves.
and for many people, as i am sure you know, 100 cals can make a difference. worse, 100 cals of fruit v. 100 cals of gravy makes a huge difference for some people, like me. does 100 cals matter if you have 40% bf, no, but as that % drops, it matters more and more, that's my experience and those i exercise with as well. |
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you on the other hand, are in the other 1%, probably trying to push your body to the limits, staying lean while building muscle at the same time... so yea, for you it is a bit tricky to figure out how much cardio you need to do, how many calories, how many grams of protein you need to consume per day, etc... |
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