Announcement from Paul Markham - GoFuckYourself.com

Rochard · 02-20-2003, 08:36 AM

I just got an email from Paul Markham saying that a number of people have used their model's real names on their sites. Not only is this a violation of their terms, this presents a huge moral issue - If anything happens to these girls they can be held responsible.

The model's name is released to you so you can prove the model's age, and assure that Paul Markham indeed does have permission to sell you these pictures - Not so that you can use their real names.

What were these guys thinking when they did this?

chodadog · 02-20-2003, 08:40 AM

Idiots. I suppose they'd give surfers their home addresses if they were given half the chance.

DarkJedi · 02-20-2003, 08:40 AM

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Originally posted by RocHard

What were these guys thinking when they did this?

"Supa Bawl is Gay"

TheJimmy · 02-20-2003, 08:50 AM

incredibly stupid....

I think we need to start licensing people to get into this biz, and one of the requirments being a head check LOL.....

TheJimmy · 02-20-2003, 08:51 AM

reminds me of a classic Seinfeld episode

"I have one question for you. Who puts your pants on in the morning!?"

gothweb · 02-20-2003, 09:00 AM

Out of curiosity: Does he release the photos with a standardized name to use for each model?

Either way-- Pretty fucked up shit. Using a model's real name against her will isn't cool. Read your freaking contracts, people. Doesn't it bother you that you signed somethign and don't even know what's in it?

Cyber3 · 02-20-2003, 09:16 AM

He use's their real names on the paper work, I blew it and used three of the girls first names only on three sets,

I should have read into it more, but

Matrix, Hicks Content, Phoenix, Cloud9, Butterballs, Onelick, Joker and a slew of others do not ever give out the real models name, I can't believe this info is in the paper work. Most provide the 2257 photo with the name and address blocked out, his are not.

I changed the names on the sets, but according to him I broke the contract see below,

"It has come to our notice that some sites are using the girl's real name.

This is a breaking of our contract and the model release terms.

Any site found doing this will have their license revoked so the content must be removed.

There will be no refunds.

Yours Faithfully

Paul Markham"

So I used 3 sets of 190 and now am I screwed?

Regards,

Kevin

Carrie · 02-20-2003, 09:20 AM

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What were these guys thinking when they did this?

Probably that it was a "stage name" or "performing name" - like Jenna Jameson or Asia Carrera. Some people choose very 'normal' names - like Cindy or Shannon - as their "porn" name.

Cyber3 · 02-20-2003, 09:24 AM

Well here is one for you he has

Veronica Zemanova

Which is what Jokersx and many others also use as her "stage name"

Well guess what her real first name is Veronica, so according to him I have to rename her to Mary or something? What about the other 10 sets of her that I have from other content providers?

Regards,

Kevin

Theo · 02-20-2003, 09:31 AM

i got it too,it was misleading title and i thought it had to do with me and i said wtf??

Cyber3 · 02-20-2003, 09:32 AM

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I just got an email from Paul Markham saying that a number of people have used their model's real names on their sites. Not only is this a violation of their terms, this presents a huge moral issue - If anything happens to these girls they can be held responsible.

That is because other content providers do not give out the models real name our addresses, hell if I was a stalker I have these girls home addresses, anyone want to go over Veronica Zemanova's house for drinks!

I am not sure what to think, I changed there first name thank god my content guy who sets up the links did not use their last name.

Regards,

Kevin

PornBroker · 02-20-2003, 09:34 AM

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Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
i got it too,it was misleading title and i thought it had to do with me and i said wtf??

same here..

Gary · 02-20-2003, 09:39 AM

Whats real funny is when other content guys use this very issue as a reason not to give out girls info to webmasters, paul spits on them. LOL

kane · 02-20-2003, 10:09 AM

I got it too and I've never bought anything from them. I registered at thier site to look at the content. I replied to the email and asked why I was I was getting this and thier only reply was an email address that I don't know.

now sure what is up.

TheJimmy · 02-20-2003, 10:14 AM

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Originally posted by Cyber3

That is because other content providers do not give out the models real name our addresses, hell if I was a stalker I have these girls home addresses, anyone want to go over Veronica Zemanova's house for drinks!

I am not sure what to think, I changed there first name thank god my content guy who sets up the links did not use their last name.

Regards,

Kevin

He is doing that to protect the webmaster's ass (literally and figuratively). Expecting that the people he sells it too want to remain in strict compliance with 2257.

2257 reads that primary AND secondary producers maintain documenation of 'full name and dob' etc....although that's been heavily debated recently. For those of us that prefer to err on the side of caution Charly is doing a great thing.

The problem is is that he expects the people he's doing business with have a sense of realism and are not foolish enough to do something like you did. I'm sure it was an honest mistake but come on man....

Who puts your pants on in the morning!? :-)

Que? · 02-20-2003, 10:15 AM

As Paul use the models real name(it seems) on his content site im pretty sure most buyers assumed they were model names and just put them up without checking the documents.

Cant say i know any provider that have models real name on the store area which probably leads to buyer assume Paul do the same....

I suggest Paul M remove girls real name from his content site or he might be in violation with his own contracts visavi the models or....?

Furthermore quite a few of the models he resell or sell have established modelnames which confuse the matter even more like, Like "Zuzana", "Andrea", "Jana" Kova and so on and so forth.

I would not be so quick to judge anyone in this matter...

PornBroker · 02-20-2003, 10:20 AM

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Originally posted by Que?
I would not be so quick to judge anyone in this matter...

I agree..

TheJimmy · 02-20-2003, 10:40 AM

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Originally posted by Que?
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Cant say i know any provider that have models real name on the store area which probably leads to buyer assume Paul do the same....

I would not be so quick to judge anyone in this matter...

good point...that could possibly help out by placing some 'stage names' on them in the content area....

Dawgy · 02-20-2003, 10:42 AM

i got that email too... i didnt even realize i was on their spam list... ive never bought anything from them...

duroflex · 02-20-2003, 10:45 AM

As the .zip files from Paul includes pics of the girl holding up her fucking passport, you have to be pretty fucking stupid not to realise the girl real name.

Cyber3 · 02-20-2003, 11:07 AM

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As the .zip files from Paul includes pics of the girl holding up her fucking passport, you have to be pretty fucking stupid not to realise the girl real name.

They all do that but they block out their names, I only used their first name and I just got word back from Paul that it is not me he is worried about.

I don't go looking at the fine print on every models passport, I get 8k a month in content and this is the first time I have seen this.

Regards,

Kevin

Fletch XXX · 02-20-2003, 11:09 AM

What brilliant webmasters.

KRL · 02-20-2003, 11:12 AM

This has always been an issue with models, protecting their identities. Same reason why many photographers are always hesistant or reluctant to turn over all the model id info.

02-20-2003, 08:36 AM	#1
Rochard Jägermeister Test Pilot Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NORCAL Posts: 74,027	Announcement from Paul Markham I just got an email from Paul Markham saying that a number of people have used their model's real names on their sites. Not only is this a violation of their terms, this presents a huge moral issue - If anything happens to these girls they can be held responsible. The model's name is released to you so you can prove the model's age, and assure that Paul Markham indeed does have permission to sell you these pictures - Not so that you can use their real names. What were these guys thinking when they did this? __________________ “The choice is no longer between right or left. The choice is between normal and crazy.” - Sarah Huckabee Sanders YNOT MAIL \| THE BEST ADULT MAILING SOLUTION

02-20-2003, 08:40 AM	#2
chodadog Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 9,736	Idiots. I suppose they'd give surfers their home addresses if they were given half the chance. __________________ 26 + 6 = 1

02-20-2003, 08:50 AM	#4
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02-20-2003, 08:51 AM	#5
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02-20-2003, 09:00 AM	#6
gothweb Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Back in the USSA Posts: 8,849	Out of curiosity: Does he release the photos with a standardized name to use for each model? Either way-- Pretty fucked up shit. Using a model's real name against her will isn't cool. Read your freaking contracts, people. Doesn't it bother you that you signed somethign and don't even know what's in it? __________________ Photos by Ian X.: Distinctive photos of goth babes. Blood Money:Your traffic, my sites, our money. MojoHost: Still the best.

02-20-2003, 09:16 AM	#7
Cyber3 Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 181	He use's their real names on the paper work, I blew it and used three of the girls first names only on three sets, I should have read into it more, but Matrix, Hicks Content, Phoenix, Cloud9, Butterballs, Onelick, Joker and a slew of others do not ever give out the real models name, I can't believe this info is in the paper work. Most provide the 2257 photo with the name and address blocked out, his are not. I changed the names on the sets, but according to him I broke the contract see below, "It has come to our notice that some sites are using the girl's real name. This is a breaking of our contract and the model release terms. Any site found doing this will have their license revoked so the content must be removed. There will be no refunds. Yours Faithfully Paul Markham" So I used 3 sets of 190 and now am I screwed? Regards, Kevin __________________ New Hosted Galleries www.glamourmodelsgonebad.com

02-20-2003, 09:24 AM	#9
Cyber3 Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 181	Well here is one for you he has Veronica Zemanova Which is what Jokersx and many others also use as her "stage name" Well guess what her real first name is Veronica, so according to him I have to rename her to Mary or something? What about the other 10 sets of her that I have from other content providers? Regards, Kevin __________________ New Hosted Galleries www.glamourmodelsgonebad.com

02-20-2003, 09:31 AM	#10
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	i got it too,it was misleading title and i thought it had to do with me and i said wtf??

02-20-2003, 09:39 AM	#13
Gary Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kimmykims couch Posts: 6,110	Whats real funny is when other content guys use this very issue as a reason not to give out girls info to webmasters, paul spits on them. LOL

02-20-2003, 10:09 AM	#14
kane Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: portland, OR Posts: 20,684	I got it too and I've never bought anything from them. I registered at thier site to look at the content. I replied to the email and asked why I was I was getting this and thier only reply was an email address that I don't know. now sure what is up.

02-20-2003, 10:15 AM	#16
Que? Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 340	As Paul use the models real name(it seems) on his content site im pretty sure most buyers assumed they were model names and just put them up without checking the documents. Cant say i know any provider that have models real name on the store area which probably leads to buyer assume Paul do the same.... I suggest Paul M remove girls real name from his content site or he might be in violation with his own contracts visavi the models or....? Furthermore quite a few of the models he resell or sell have established modelnames which confuse the matter even more like, Like "Zuzana", "Andrea", "Jana" Kova and so on and so forth. I would not be so quick to judge anyone in this matter... __________________ Send ccia out to deep space:<br> Donate to <a href="http://www.impai.org/">IMPA</a> Last edited by Que?; 02-20-2003 at 10:21 AM..

02-20-2003, 10:42 AM	#19
Dawgy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 5,856	i got that email too... i didnt even realize i was on their spam list... ive never bought anything from them... __________________ the revolution is coming.

02-20-2003, 10:45 AM	#20
duroflex Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Denmark Posts: 199	As the .zip files from Paul includes pics of the girl holding up her fucking passport, you have to be pretty fucking stupid not to realise the girl real name. __________________ ZiggydiZig!

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02-20-2003, 11:12 AM	#23
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