LOL. you can attack my work all you want. I certainly have opportunities to improve what i do.

But you are doing a huge disservice to yourself with this thread. To the extent you really do want peckerpass to be successful, you are doing major damage, telling other porn sellers they should install adblockers that would block out their marketing efforts.

go visit your friends across the street, ask them how tube sites are effecting their business. Seriously dude. people are making a killing with tubes pushing their content. Every major program here has presence on tubes now. The biggest company of all pioneered the tube model. You really are don quixote blowing at the windmills.

ultimately i believe your hatred of tubes derives from your failures to market your network of women blowing up baloons & brushing their teeth. Its much easier to blame those evil tubes then to look in the mirror to find your problems.

Good luck with your business ventures. :)

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you search for tranny porn and get 500,000 blogs of randomly created bullshit. and some adblocker is what destroyed this industry lol. 90% of the population is getting off on thumbnails and 30 second preview videos, many of which are laced with viruses. but you gotta feel bad for those poor ad based webmasters

Changed my mind. No dog in this fight.

adblockers have been around for a long time, nothing will change

problem is that it used to be 1-2% of elite users using them, now some studies show more than 10% of internet users have ad blockers installed... and that number keeps growing every month...

Here's a way to kill tube sites:

Partner with the American Family Association and other Christian/religious organizations.

Spread the meme that hardcore pornography is too easily accessible to children.

Get these groups to start writing to politicians and the media to complain about the unrestricted access to hardcore porn, S&M etc. using tube sites as an example ("my little johnny stumbled upon a disgusting site called pornhub.com, I was shocked").

Release statements as an industry condemning tube sites taking a stance that the adult industry is responsible and does not want pornography to be accessed so easily by children. Point out that many tube sites are infringing copyrights.

Put pressure on the DOJ to go after their domain names under Operation In Our Sites.

Sit back and watch them all lose their .com's and the religious groups can celebrate because they have a victory over porn.

Exactly, nothing dumber than a webmaster or online marketeer using an ad blocker.

Most of the knowledge you can get in this business is by surfing around your competitors or other sites in different verticals (mainstream etc) to see what and how others are selling so you can apply your own ideas to improve that.

And I agree that ad blockers are a problem not only for the adult industry but for the online business in general. Imagine if there was a way to skip commercials in TV, the whole business would die, in fact it has a been a problem with TIVO already, as you can record TV shows and skip commercials, but at least you need to pay monthly amount to do that.

Ads in general are our marketing tools, not only the tools that tube owners use, i don't know of any legit site, blog, tgp, whatever not using some kind of ads. How else are you going to sell something in your site? even if it's your own promos, you need to show some kind of banners.

Of course a chain of 3 pops is very annoying, but things are not white or black, there must be grey for us to make money.

Through people joining the sponsor sites your pushing?

lets block all ads and marketing completely! Then we can all be rich!

some ideas for getting surfers to our sites with our marketing 2.0 strategy:

-well written letters
-planes towing banners
-messenger pigeon
-climbing on top of a building and dumping flyers to the streets below
-singing telegrams
-fortune cookies
-resurrecting town cryers!

Gonna see if I can sponsor my nephew's soccer team. Lezinterracial.com on the backs of uniforms.

Pass cards with my gay site (interracialbisex.com) on it at the local park where homosexuals meet. Write it above the holes in walls where there are glory holes.

Free bookmarks left at the local library. Free Bookmark, courtesy of skullfucktube.com.

This :thumbsup

Just..fuckin...wow...


I read this whole thread, then I remembered why I only come here to vent shit, for the most part. Save the poor surfers from splogs, spam, invasive ads, and popunders! Give them everything for free, with a text link somewhere unobtrusive on the page! Holy fuckin shit.

damn straight. better up your game because thats whats happening. clearly. hence thread. youre being left in the dust as we speak

And how are you going to push sponsors without ads?

The amount of daily FF AbBlock Plus users seems fairly stable over the last year (~15 mil). There is some growth, but not it's not explosive, far from it:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/fir...tics/?last=365

surfers dont want popups. or links that lead them to unexpected places. give them something legit, and then offer them something legit. it works it really does. its not the end of the porn industry

Cry me a river :pimp

Exactly!

Adblock does not affect 95% of the traditional ways to push sponsors - FHGs, TGP/MGP galleries, review sites etc. Even at tubes in most of the cases it doesn't affect links back to paysites (if they provide such links) - it mainly affects ads from major networks, which seems to be what Adblock is mostly about, blocking major networks that are used to sniff on surfers' surfing habits and to bombard them with the gazillion of mostly irrelevant ads.

If you're using custom ads to push sponsors, serve them from your own server, do not call them "ads" or "banners" and use custom banner sizes (all of that is fairly easy), Adblock is not going to cause you any trouble. In theory you can still be added to some filtering list with your custom ads manually, but that is highly unlikely - those people who maintain such lists are very busy and overworked, they're not going to bother unless you're very popular and your ads are obscenely intrusive.

In yet more theory, people can use Element Hider Helper addon to hide your custom ads manually, but only a small fraction of Adblock users are using EHH, and even they are not going to bother if your ads are reasonable and non-intrusive. Why would people spend their time hiding ads that are static, non-intrusive, and on top of it are actually a relevant advertising? It is not typical - although there are some crusaders who go out of their way to hide all ads to the last one, statistically their impact on revenues is negligible.

All those 3rd-party ad models are intended for free content providers. Basically for thieves like torrents, tubes, warez forums etc. If you have a good content which sells itself, why do you need any ad networks?

For example, I have a product which I sell from my site. Why will I give it away for free? It's easy to give away something that was created by somebody else. Launch a warez board/torrent tracker/tube with "user uploaded" content, put some 3rd-party ad system there and you are in chocolate. Very easy way to made money doing nothing right?

On the other hand, why would you use these annoying popups, popunders and other shit to sell your product (a script, a desktop application a paysite membership etc)? For example, if you are promoting some affiliate program using legit promo content (videos, images etc) you will link them to paysite directly, right? So how can you be affected by adblocking software in such a case? Enlighten me please.

Bingo !

You wouldn't want to ruin the freeloaders experience.

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Yup. :thumbsup

You're so clueless nobody can even explain it to you without treating you like a 5 year old asking about Santa. :Oh crap

AdBlockers like http://safariadblock.com/ allow you to turn the ad blocking extension on and off at will, so if you wish to see ads you still can.

They are not permanent (you can always uninstall), and if you are interested in researching how your competition is set up, you can easily turn the blocker on and off as necessary.

That is all. Flame away!

How old are you, clown? How many years you're into online business? Don't tell me who I'm. Grow up first, you little puppy.

I'm only 12 and what is this?

:1orglaugh desparation

Lmfao!!!

tubes will die off eventually, if not naturally by something else coming along to replace them then by the government. you can't expect to let kids surf full length hardcore porn movies forever without someone stepping in.

So here's an idea :

(I don't know if its possible, but)

What if you add a statement to your site, asking people to add your domain as a whitelist to their adblocker program (if it can be done that is).

My point is, you can be honest and appeal to the end user. A statement like "We depend on ad revenue for our business / there are no intrusive ads or pop-anythings / please whitelist our site / thank you!"

I haven't been to your sites and I will assume that you have no intrusive ads. Maybe the people you should be mad at, are not the ad-blocker people or the ones who promote them, but instead be mad at those who DO use dirty tricks in advertising?

Just an idea...

Nice idea, but it won't work.

If it DID work, they wouldn't stop at tube sites. (They don't know the difference). They would attack the porn industry in general.

It's been done. Every once in a while the war against porn rises up, alot of people grandstand and claim to be "protecting kids from porn", but in the end they calm down and go away.

How many people use safari? 5%

I don't think it's gonna destroy tubes.

I don't think I could agree more. This is also why AK is attacking some of these sites that allow this medium of monetary gain.

Educating the current users of adblock is the best thing you can do, but this thread isn't about educating them or about stopping intrusive advertisers, it's about pushing adblockers as a method to "ruin" the tubes.... And it's not gonna help us at all.

They make versions for ALL browsers. :2 cents:

So 100% is the maximum number of surfers who have that ABILITY to adblock (should they choose to do so).

If everyone knew this option was possible, what percentage of surfers would adblock?

90% ... maybe more?

I can post links for all platforms here if you like, but as a number of people already have their panties in a bunch over this idea I won't stir the pot up any further.

BTW here is what one of my internal ad banner pages looks like with adblocker on and with adblocker off....

http://FetishSoup.com/GFY/AdOnOff.jpg

All links work fine with or without the blocker, so it is possible to CALMLY advertise to surfers, even if they choose to kill off the insanity they run across on tube sites via an adblocker.

What's with this adblock? For example.. 0.02% of my visitors used adblock... Big deal.. they get redirected to http://removeadblock.com until they remove it. So will you... :1orglaugh

No need to remove them, as they can be turned on and off.

The question can be phrased like this...

Q. Do you want to enter a site with shitloads of advertising that annoys the fuck out of you?

A. Then turn your adblocker off.

another question that would be similar...

Q. Do you want to visit a suspicious site that may or may not harm your computer?

A. Then turn off your antivirus software.

How do you think that would work out?

I know.

I don't visit such sites.

Fatal Error: Found MS-Windows System -> Repartitioning Disk for Linux...

bring em on
 

Time for the mother fucker thieves and pirates to starve. the more thing is advertised, the better it will be.

now that's marketing 2.0 right there!

how about popsicle sticks? Like when you get to the end of it BLAM! HELLO WEBSITE! That's some big dollars right there.

..and how come we aren't trying to get on talk shows? Fuck banners, i'm going on conan to talk titties!


Lest we forget bus benches...$$$

Use PHP to manage and output ads as regular echoed HTML, stuffing a cookie elsewhere if needed/applicable... Problem solved..

If ad blockers are blocking your ads your in the wrong business.

TGP --> MGP --> Blog --> Tube

They all overlap but they all eventually die. Be patient. Unlimited bandwidth is not going to free much longer.

No offense Ed, but... If my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle.

I remember these same arguments when TGPs & MGPs came around. Obviously there's the massive pirated content issue w/tubes, but still...

For better or worse, tubes aren't going anywhere.

This :thumbsup

From what I can tell you are not serving these banners via an ad server such as OpenX etc? And yet you do have the images in a folder named "banners" and the image themselves have the word banner in them i.e. BM_banner.jpg

So do your ads still display because the images are on the same domain or because they are not being served via an ad server? Or both?

If these same banners were served via OpenX from FetishSoup.net vs .com would the adblocker filter them out?

This is probably a stupid question, but how come nobody's sued one of these tube sites yet? Everyone complains about them but has anyone actually made an attempt to bring one down? Seems like if one of the larger ones was brought down the rest would quickly follow suit.