FIDDY ! Woot Woot !

POINTLESS.. I have adblock and that site is blocked !

FAIL!!!

instead of telling visitors to remove adblock I would prefer to serve them an ad free site but with text advertising (or something) instead as I think that would be more effective.

but in a perfect world from our POV there would be no adblock, I agree ;)

A totally stupid idea. It's like to ask surfers to uninstall their antivirus software before to enter the site. Personally I would stay away from such a kind of shit.

"something" here includes a huge variety of different ways of advertisement which won't be blocked by adblock :2 cents:

thanks for pointing that out :2 cents:

Isn't disabling ads a form of stealing? You are consuming content that is paid for by ads, so don't you rip off/steal from the website owner by disabling ads?

I don't think so. Even all modern video recorder are able to skip the commercial blocks. That's normal IMHO.

Lol, you can't be serious

Lol, you can't be serious

You mean instead of trying to block surfers for having an adblocker installed, you'd prefer to try to convert those surfers in other ways and not leave money on the table? Oh, the horror. Be careful on using business logic, you might be told you lack intelligence ;)

Roald, I'll hit you up in a bit to show you something that you might want to consider.

Lol, you can't be serious

LOL :1orglaugh

So someone spends time and $$ to create "content"... they put up a website with expectation that ads will cover the costs of creation of this content...you come in, burn their bandwidth and server resources to access that "content", not only contributing nothing at all to the content creator, but you use up their bandwidth/server resources on top of that? so the website owner not only makes nothing, but actually loses $$ on you? and that's "normal"?

Yes it is normal. If "someone" can't promote their content without annoying popups and and embedded ad spots, he will lose the business sooner or latter.

There are many other ways to promote your content without that shit. The direct one (ad links built into the content) or membership models. You know, recently I was reading an article of a very famous blogger who said that ads suck and they are dead already because all the money in the membership model. So if your readers consider your blog (actually any type of a website) interestingly, there won't be a problem for them to pay for an yearly/monthly membership.

Do you know what I'm talking about? The guy just invented a "new" monetizing system.

Banners can be great visual ads to a contextual presentation, advertorial, or advertising campaign. But banners should never be the only "call to action". If they are, then you're leaving money on the table. It's really that simple.

Popups and popunders can be useful in certain settings, but have been so abused and invasive that it's no wonder even the standard browsers come with a popup blocker these days.

Internet generation is becoming delusional... not too long ago if you wanted content you had to pay for it, then everything became free (ad supported)... then some asshat came along, created ad block software, fucking internet marketers out of Billions/year in the process... and of course all this is not only "normal", but we should promote these ad block add ons? are you guys sniffing glue or something?

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This is not an Internet Generation thing. Shareware/ad supported software and ad supported sites have been around since the dawn on the modern-day WWW, and certainly since the mid-90's. And so have ad blockers and anti-virus services which also block many ads. (some may remember when Norton AV was not sending referral headers and anti-hotlinking htaccess files were, thus, blocking content from those using Norton). This is not a new problem, not by a long shot and certainly not limited to the Internet Generation.

That said, it's absolutely gotten worse. But it's not new.

Adblockers are a reality. Popup blockers have been a reality with modern day browsers for years already. Cookie and privacy blocking are now also inherent in modern browsers. We may not agree with it, but publishers basically have two choices these days:

1. Spend a bunch of time fighting the adblockers and ultimately leave money on the table by blocking people with adblockers installed. Rely entirely on banners for their calls to action. Or

2. Think outside the box and engage the surfer in other ways. Provide an alternate call to action besides just a banner. If not, you're leaving money on the table.

oh the delicious irony of a porn seller pushing for ad blockers.

if one reads between the lines, interesting facts emerge.

I would wager a million dollars that BFT3K gets his porn fix from the very tubes he despises. I know firsthand that he NEVER subscribes to paysites. He doesnt even consider it. But he has this don quixote crusade against the very tubes that provide him the only porn he will consume, free porn.

the tubes he despises are having no effect on his network. His content is not on any of the major tubes, so he cannot accuse pornhub of giving his content away for free.

of course his retort would be how tubes are pulling traffic from paysites, & therefore hurting him. But this is merely the horse drawn carriage driver complaining how the car is putting them out of business. The tube model is the marketing model of porn today. accept it or find something else to sell.

if BFT3K was actually cared about affiliates or networks marketing his sites, he would likely take a different position. But since his marketing consists of posting comedy threads of GFY, he does not care how adblocking may hurt marketing efforts he does not make.

thanks for the :1orglaugh

Are you kidding me? Watching stolen content without ads is "stealing" from the tube owner?! Pot, meet kettle.

Hey Drama Queen,

Think about this image next time you require a rental studio...

http://www.gvhs.ca/gatineau/images/gendron_burn.JPG

Yup. :thumbsup

Oh so Pornhub.com and Manwin are horrible leeches on the industry and should be taken down for using content to promote something else, but it's perfectly fine to block someones ads while consuming their website content and resources.... I see your morals are.

I guess you don't mind me ripping your Wordpress software and giving it for free then? :disgust

I think the point here is that "pop ups" or "unders" or any of that shit will drive away your surfers in the end.

Static advertising on the page which gives the viewer the CHOICE to click it or not is effective and honest advertising.

I've never used pop ups or pop unders or any of that crap. And I've been very, very successful without using that.

The tagline on one of my TGP's is: "No pop-ups, no blindlinks, no bullshit"

I have a feeling that the issues for tubesites are only beginning

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Except these adblock extensions block it all and not just popups and popunders... Look at my screenshots of Freeones, a site that has no intrusive ads on it at all.. Do you support that?

I will have no problems using the content of any sponsor in this thread who supports adblock programs without linking back to their sites... :2 cents:

i'm confident i can find a studio whose owner doesnt let cats walk through the shot & lets phones ring off the hook. :winkwink:

sorry former buddy. i feel bad for you. you make this thread from the standpoint of a porn consumer. all those ads popping up on tubes you surf, what a pain in the ass. nevermind the ludicruousness of a porn seller wanting to block porn ads on a webpage.

i mean, if an affiliate is looking for a new network to promote, then they run into this thread, what are they supposed to think of a webmaster that wants to shut down his marketing tools?

i hope your strategy of posting clipstore updates with obsolete file formats is making you rich beyond your wildest dreams. :thumbsup

Next time I need to promote plotless 3 minute interlaced poor quality videos shot at 640x480, I'll remember to add JoshGirls to my mix. If a surfer doesn't like JoshGirls.com within your network they can always join based upon their interest in one of your other sites... oh, wait a minute...:2 cents:

Because that's what an asshole would do! :2 cents:

It appears to me that the adblock program knocked out any iframe ads on the page.

No, that's not a good thing either.

I'm just saying that popups and popunders and everything like them are not good advertising.

And people using them are what leads to stuff like ad blocker software.

I wouldn't promote ad blocker software, but I'm very sympathetic to what people go through with that crap ruining their experience on a page.

It's a damn shame too. Years ago we used to sell pop up blockers. Then the browsers themselves developed them. Pop ups were so bad on porn sites back then that it would literally keep popping new windows until your computer ran out of resources and had to be rebooted (computers back then only had a few hundred MB's of memory IF you had the expensive ones).

So what did dumbass people do? They came up with MORE annoying ways to circumvent the browser popup blocker.
And now we have ad blocker software. :(

As usual, some people are shooting themselves in the foot.

Don't blame BFT3K. He's a frustrated, honest person trying to make a living.

Instead, blame the dumbasses who keep implementing new ways to fuck with surfers and cause things like ad blockers to become necessary. :(

What you're advocating is no better..

I'm with you on the intrusive ads, but adblock programs do more than "knock out a few iframes" it actively looks for keywords people use in their pages to show ads, for instance, you have all your sponsor banners in a folder

example.com/images/banners/claudia-marie.gif

Guess what? Adblock matched that url based on "banners" and blocked it.. They also block any keywords in javascript method names and urls too.. The authors of these programs constantly browse sites with ads on them trying to find the new "tricks" used to circumvent these attempts to get around the blockers and sends out updates with new matching algorithms on them...

They are by far more destructive to our business and industry than Manwin or Pornhub will ever be... So using and promoting adblockers to surfers... You may as well just whitelist any Manwin IP as a safe IP to view all your members area and full content without paying, and let them upload 100% of your content full length on their tubes, because guess what... You ain't gonna make shit when every banner for a pay site on your site is blocked.

And text links? What happens when you circumvent the blockers by using text links? They put in algorithms to match on text links and start blocking based on those too...

Anybody with half a fucking brain will know how bad these types of extensions and plugins are for our industry... And BFT3K being angry and just trying to make a living? Welcome to 100% of the industry, but you don't see them going out and promoting fucking adblockers all over the place.... I could see if he was just frustrated and speaking out of anger yesterday, but I was hoping he came to his senses after cooling down and realized how stupid his idea was and apologized and we went on our way, but clearly you can see he doesn't give a fuck about anybody else and if it doesn't affect his business (which it does) he doesn't care. So fuck him.

you are retarded. :2 cents::2 cents::2 cents::2 cents:

To be fair, that's been a base practice by most ad blocker software over the past decade, to block standard IAB (Internet Advertising Bureau) banner specifications, common keywords for banner names and folders (banners, ads, etc), not to mention a multitude of banner ad servers in various database lists. My point is, this is not at all exclusive to adblock or adblock plus.

Some of the easiest way around most of them is to store your banners locally, on the SAME domain as the content, and use folder names like pictures, media or whatever to store them, and name the banners anything other than common banner names or names with banner dimensions in the filenames. For implementation, add a pixel or two to the banner sizes. So, 302x301 for example instead of 300x300. There's a multitude of ways around it if one really wants to do it.

But I'd never ever block someone from accessing our sites who has one installed. Instead, we try to engage that user in alternate methods that may be more complementary to the experience they seek.

But this thread isn't about how blockers work it's about the fact that someone makes a living by webmasters advertising their sites on theirs, is advocating the use of such detrimental methods...

Hi Killswitch,

You shouldn't get so mad. This is a really interesting thread and maybe there's alot to learn on all sides here.

My beef is with INTRUSIVE ads. Pop-ups / Pop-unders, ads that crawl across the content I'm trying to read, etc. The trick is to avoid reaching the tipping point: Too many intrusive ads cause surfers's enjoyment to drop, or in this case to use ad blocker software.

By crying about and or ignoring adblock-type software, big site owners are ignoring the overall problem. They will still lose eyeballs on their ads either way.

again: This is a good business thread. You should keep checking it out.

This thread is about a halfwit numbskull who thinks that promoting the use of adblock programs is gonna all of the sudden take the industry back to 1998 and everyone will be swimming in cash..

I'm angry, because you dumbasses actually believe it is useful...

Hey I just thought of a GREAT example : GFY.com.

All kinds of people hang out here and GFY makes great money selling NON-INTRUSIVE ads. Banners at the top and bottom, pinned threads, and skins once in a while.

This lets all the content be seen and the ads noticed. Interested people click the ads. Everyone is served the ads, adverisers get clicks, gfy gets content. A PERFECT example of how it should be done.

Imagine GFY it it were loaded with Pop-ups/unders, crawlers and other stupid shit you see on dozens of other sites? People would complain like crazy. Some will ad-block, many would leave, right?

I don't know if it will be useful or not. My point is, is that is a natural reaction. People are pissed off because of the onslaught of super-heavy advertising.

What do you do btw? Why are you so against the idea? Do you spend alot of money in ads? Again just as a reminder, we pay to advertise, so I think my opinion counts in this thread. I want to find a way for my ads to be seen too, but then again I only want them to be seen by those who want to see them.

Fair enough. Admittedly, I have no dog in this race anyway. I can't tell you the last time I visited a tube site (beyond YouTube). It has to be 2 or 3 years since I visited any of the major porn tube sites so no idea how invasive the ads are these days.

if you could create an ad blocker right now that would make you more money than you made in the past 5 years, would you create it? just curious

What do I do? I make money by advertising pay sites who have graciously gave me their content to give a reason for me to advertise their site and make money from them...

Like I told Robbie, I'm against intrusive ads, but blocking ALL ads is NOT gonna help this industry, nor is it gonna harm Manwin and all the major tube sites. But it WILL harm the people who do it legit... It's like using a flame thrower to light your cigarette... It's not gonna do anything but blow up in your face.

Not speaking for Woj but as a programmer myself, I can create tons of stuff that could make me rich, but some of us have morals and won't do that type of shit.

Honestly, I am glad to see the bar getting raised, and a thinning of the herd. At the end of the day, you find out who really are business minded folk who know how to adjust with the marketplace versus those who survived on blind luck for a long long time.

There is a grand canyon of difference shown on this forum, and within the industry, daily regarding those who know how to run a business, and think like it. Versus those who have never learned to convert a sale, or possess any level of marketing and understanding.

For a long time people could get by on pure luck and laziness saying, "Here is some free shit. You like? Sign up." Now it's a lot more difficult as free porn is everywhere. You have to actually HAVE something of value to convert a sale, and retain the member. You have to know how to actually convert traffic to a sale, and convince that surfer you have something worth purchasing in the first place. As many have no clue about marketing and sales beyond, "look at some free shit, now buy", they fail and cry about it on forums daily.

According to their logic, it's everyone else's fault but their own.

:2 cents:

morally bad is like....botting, and exploiting, and deceptive billing. thats where i would draw lines. but creating a legitimate tool is not the work of Satan. this was all inevitable. and since when isnt this a dog eat dog industry

great thread, shows a lot where people are and more to avoid

writing a tool (ad blocker) that fucks over internet marketers, is not much different than running a site that fucks over content producers (file locker, tube site, etc)... :2 cents:

Some people like to watch the world burn, I like to use my skills to help people, you can see I've shared many things that I have personally made, that I could have sold and have even decided to create a newsletter where I find something or make something of my own and mail it out to everyone who's subscribed every Friday..

I feel being productive and useful in the industry is better than being a piece of shit who only thinks for himself, because in the end, those people are the people who kill the industry.

I'd like to look at myself at 50 years old and still be making a living as my own boss on the internet, not working at Walmart, because my industry of 4.5billion dollars a year in revenue was wiped out by a bunch of fucking ass clowns.

Summed up toe perfection.

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Most dont even have anything to offer. its just a bunch of surfers with a carrot on a stick attached to their heads. and someones supposed to feel bad for these ad sites.

i agree with what barefootsies said. a raise of the bar is a good thing. if you cant hang, mcdonalds is always hiring.

this isnt going to stop no matter how much its complained about. ive made good money on concepts only to have them dwindle to nothing. im not trying to come off as some pro, but really its happened time and time again. i dont even get butthurt anymore