Pedophiles, WOW on this research!

[OY]

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...0,197689.story

If this is true, then it is really really scary - and I would put my money on a PILL that would help for this.

PS. A must read, not just comment, because what is written in this article will really trip you up.

[kane]

I had seen a news story similar to this a while back. It is looking more and more like the old belief that you can't rehabilitate these people is true. Some of us are born defective, it is just the way it is.

[OY]

Originally Posted by kane

I had seen a news story similar to this a while back. It is looking more and more like the old belief that you can't rehabilitate these people is true. Some of us are born defective, it is just the way it is.

Right, and that is so scary!

Well, Ill be on the side of being the guy that always steps on the bug when he sees it.

[grumpy]

Famous pedophiles who had the blessing of the public

Micheal Jackson
Elvis Presley
Charlie Chaplin
Jerry Lee Lewis

[crazydollars]

Originally Posted by kane

I had seen a news story similar to this a while back. It is looking more and more like the old belief that you can't rehabilitate these people is true. Some of us are born defective, it is just the way it is.

Is it the same with fags? Are they born that way?

If so, they should legalize it, just like gay marriages.

[Harmon]

Originally Posted by crazydollars

Is it the same with fags? Are they born that way?

If so, they should legalize it, just like gay marriages.

So you are saying that they should legalize pedophilia because gay marriage is? Are you fucked up in the head or something.

Please go kill yourself. Somebody ban this cunt.

[kane]

Originally Posted by crazydollars

Is it the same with fags? Are they born that way?

If so, they should legalize it, just like gay marriages.

If you want to classify broken as anyone who is not born a perfect human specimen then perhaps gay people are born broken as well. I am. I have asthma. I was diagnosed as a small child and the only reason I am alive today is because of modern medicine. If I were born 100 years ago I would have died as a child.

All that said, there are different kinds of broken. Just because you are broken doesn't mean you can't contribute to society nor does it mean you are a danger to society. Gay people are not a danger to society. They aren't a danger to kids and allowing them to get married really has no harmful affect on society so you can't really just lump everyone and every problem together and handle everything and everyone in the same manner. I think if you have any real common sense in your skull you can see the difference between two consenting adults getting married and an adults abusing a child.

[blonda80]

Pedophiles must be castrated and forgot in jails

[crazydollars]

Originally Posted by kane

Gay people are not a danger to society.

neither are pedophiles

[Vapid - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Those laws were created to instil a monopoly for the clergy.
It is pathetic people still think laws are crafted for the protection of anyone but the authors.

[MrBottomTooth]

Originally Posted by crazydollars

neither are pedophiles

Try telling that to a 4 year old boy who just had his ass penetrated by a full grown man.

[kane]

Originally Posted by crazydollars

neither are pedophiles

You're just trolling right? Because you can't be this dumb.

[Mutt]

No suprise to me - nobody chooses to be a pedophile or homesexual. It's not the pedophile's fault, and the most troubling part of that article, is that it suggests that controlling the impluses to act on the desire is also out of the pedophile's control. So what to do since we have no real answer for them at this time? If as a society we become too sympathetic to their plight some of them will no doubt interpret that as society becoming more accepting and they'll be more likely to act on their desires. Most pedophiles don't molest kids, they know it's wrong, so they look at child porn and get off. If we block their access to child porn does that make them more frustrated and more likely to molest a child?

The evidence keeps piling up that the brain moreso than early social development is responsible for psychological and aberrant behaviors/illness. It's probably a mixture of the two

[kane]

Originally Posted by Mutt

No suprise to me - nobody chooses to be a pedophile or homesexual. It's not the pedophile's fault, and the most troubling part of that article, is that it suggests that controlling the impluses to act on the desire is also out of the pedophile's control. So what to do since we have no real answer for them at this time? If as a society we become too sympathetic to their plight some of them will no doubt interpret that as society becoming more accepting and they'll be more likely to act on their desires. Most pedophiles don't molest kids, they know it's wrong, so they look at child porn and get off. If we block their access to child porn does that make them more frustrated and more likely to molest a child?

The evidence keeps piling up that the brain moreso than early social development is responsible for psychological and aberrant behaviors/illness. It's probably a mixture of the two

From what I understand (which admittedly is not a lot), like you say most pedos know what they are doing is wrong. There are some that see it as them actually loving the kid, but many know it isn't right and they fight with it. It is like addiction for some people. They know they shouldn't drink or do drugs because it will cause all kinds of problems, but sometimes they end up giving into the urge. The show I saw had a doctor who talked about the main treatment being ways that they teach these people to keep themselves out of places/situations where there could be temptation and then how to deal with it and remove themselves from it. It is kind of scary when you think about it.

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by crazydollars

Is it the same with fags? Are they born that way?

If so, they should legalize it, just like gay marriages.

how can you legalize a non consensual act? good god the intellect of some people on this board is amazing.

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by Mutt

No suprise to me - nobody chooses to be a pedophile or homesexual. It's not the pedophile's fault, and the most troubling part of that article, is that it suggests that controlling the impluses to act on the desire is also out of the pedophile's control. So what to do since we have no real answer for them at this time? If as a society we become too sympathetic to their plight some of them will no doubt interpret that as society becoming more accepting and they'll be more likely to act on their desires. Most pedophiles don't molest kids, they know it's wrong, so they look at child porn and get off. If we block their access to child porn does that make them more frustrated and more likely to molest a child?

The evidence keeps piling up that the brain moreso than early social development is responsible for psychological and aberrant behaviors/illness. It's probably a mixture of the two

uh well, letting them have child porn only ensures more kids as molested as well since some poor kid has to be the victim in every single one of those hundreds of thousands of images and movies. there is more to it than just being 'born with it, as the coincidence of kids who were molested themselves who go on to molest others is way too high.

[Struggle4Bucks]

Why do all pedophiles look like weak piles of shit? They all look like they can't handle a woman. They all look like the only person they can have authority over are minors.
They all look like pathetic weakness that you want to crush. The kind of weakness our instincts want to terminate because it looks like a failure of nature. Look at the guy's bodylanguage... completely defenseless. They must thank God for the remainings of 1800 years of Christianity: a culture of protecting and praising the weak.

I have this story... i was waiting in line at a gas station to pay. When the guy in front of me had paid he walked by me. I looked at his face and the first thing i thought was: you are a pedophile... After paying i walked outside and i saw that guy in a companycar... guess what was on the companycar... a webshop for babyclothes and baby-articles...
No fucking way that was a fucking coincidence.

[PornDiscounts-V]

If I had a nickel for every time I have had to remind friends that have come to the house (outside of this industry mind you!) to stop looking at my daughters ass, I'd have an awful lot of gumballs.

[Mutt]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

uh well, letting them have child porn only ensures more kids as molested as well since some poor kid has to be the victim in every single one of those hundreds of thousands of images and movies. there is more to it than just being 'born with it, as the coincidence of kids who were molested themselves who go on to molest others is way too high.

you're mixing up 'child molesters' and 'pedophiles' - the article mentions that many child molesters aren't pedophiles, and many pedophiles aren't child molesters, many molesters are fucked up angry men who do it to exercise power and control over a weaker human being, the creepy dad who molests his daughter doesn't molest any other children, just his own daughter.

i understand we can't condone the production and distribution of child porn but what an interesting and horrible philosophical dilemma it would be IF we had scientific evidence that pedophiles who had access to child porn were 50% less likely to molest/rape a child than those who had no access to child porn. So let's say 1,000 children being exploited for child porn SAVED 5,000 children from being molested, end result is 4,000 less children being harmed - there's a philosophy term for that type of moral/immoral dilemma, which I forget.

human beings are so fucked up - i wonder how much less of this stuff goes on in poverty stricken populations where food and shelter are your main concerns. An idle hands/mind is the devil's workshop

[crazydollars]

Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth

Try telling that to a 4 year old boy who just had his ass penetrated by a full grown man.

pedophile is not the same as child molester .

also, try reading the OP article next time:

Studies show that about half of all molesters are not sexually attracted to their victims. They often have personality disorders or violent streaks, and their victims are typically family members.

[ilnjscb]

My question is, if it is genetic, what was the advantage conferred on those who possessed this trait? Why did it evolve? Homosexuality appears to be passed by siblings (having a gay uncle or aunt predisposes gayness) because the siblings of opposite sex are often perceived as hypermasculine or hyperfeminine. Evolution of a trait like this (2%??) would require some clear benefit when considered against the downside.

[crazydollars]

Originally Posted by ilnjscb

My question is, if it is genetic, what was the advantage conferred on those who possessed this trait? Why did it evolve?

it evolved because womens looks peak at 20, then it's all downhill from there

[adultmobile]

Brain tumor?

"a 40-year-old teacher in Virginia with no history of sexual deviance suddenly became interested in child pornography and was arrested for molesting his prepubescent stepdaughter.

The night before his sentencing, he showed up at an emergency room with a bad headache. An MRI revealed a tumor compressing his brain's right frontal lobe.

When the tumor was removed, his obsession faded, according to Dr. Russell Swerdlow, a neurologist on the case. A year later he again became sexually fixated on children. The tumor was growing back."

[iSpyCams]

Everyone at some point wants to do something they shouldn't. For some, the temptations of the moment are more repulsive than for others, but they remain just that, temptations until we act on them.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by kane

I had seen a news story similar to this a while back. It is looking more and more like the old belief that you can't rehabilitate these people is true. Some of us are born defective, it is just the way it is.

Who cares? Born however doesn't mean you can't control your actions and behavior just as we all must. First message should always be "too fucking bad, we're watching you"... not "Oh, its not your fault..." I'm tired of a society that's increasingly relying on the "its not my fault" explanation for everything and always always being handed an easy and convenient excuse.

Also, your comment is like saying "all gays are genetically gay", which ignores all other components and the degree to which they are present or absent. All psychological issues, afflictions, disorders etc are complex and most often multifaceted and equally complex in their root causes.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by pompousjohn

Everyone at some point wants to do something they shouldn't. For some, the temptations of the moment are more repulsive than for others, but they remain just that, temptations until we act on them.

We're all obsessed with nice tits and nice asses. We don't walk around trying to rape to get at them. They are two entirely unrelated issues and shouldn't be looked at as being the same and there is no circumstance where we should sympathize with the rapist.

[Best-In-BC]

Originally Posted by crazydollars

Is it the same with fags? Are they born that way?

If so, they should legalize it, just like gay marriages.

I be-leave that's a understandable conclusion to these results as I would see no difference.

[Diomed]

I'm sure the Taboo aspect has a lot to do with it. ''breaking the rules, doing something your not supposed to''. The non-consensual aspect is appalling.

Strange how a most of Asia has an interest in young. The schoolgirl thing.. The magazines with non nude kid models that Alex spoke about.

I read somewhere where men are attracted to 13 year old girls for scientific reasons. A fertility thing. Its a real weird subject.

When I think of a 5 year old getting raped or something like that, I gotta say I'm for the death penalty. It fucks them up for life.

[MrBottomTooth]

Originally Posted by crazydollars

pedophile is not the same as child molester .

also, try reading the OP article next time:

Looking at cp on the Internet from the comfort of your own home is not a victimless crime. Those are still kids that have been victimized.

And about half of all molesters are not sexually attracted to their victims? Well that still leaves 50% that are.

And if you have to resort to being pro-pedophile to do some trolling, it's time to find some new material or give it up.

You should be banned.

[Webmaster Advertising]

To some extent, pederasty has been around for centuries, in fact the Ancient Greeks practiced it on a regular basis and it wasnt looked down upon.

Its actually only since the advent of the Christian philosophy that pederasty was driven out of modern culture and in fact, some state still have laws on the books allowing it as it as you can check by looking at age of consent laws, some as low as 14 yrs old.

[adultmobile]

Science and real statistics hardly can be applied to taboo topics, and we can't return to ancient greeks, we got "modern" religions, laws and internet, can't undone, I think is final. By the way everyone wishes to kill someone at times, it is a natural reaction when you are upset (even for good reason), just the matter it is you kill or not for real? No one will question a guy wishes to kill someone (for a reason) if does not kill really, as well as no one will question a guy wishes to rape (for a reason) a 18+ year old one, if does not (still, better he not tell anyone except friends). When a guy wishes to do another guy that's gay so if he tells this to friends can be issue (even as a wish and he does not do), if that's under 18 target that's exile from society and final (esp. if that's genetic, can't even fix it later).

[johnnyloadproductions]

This thread makes me think of a producer that had a friend/producer that liked to get girls from the agencies out in the area (LA area).
The producer told me that "I swear to god, he only likes girls that look like little boys!"
That made me laugh, but it's telling.
I like all kinds of girls, even ones that are 400+ and smell almost as bad as shit!

[ArielRebel]

wow awesome read... Thanks for linking this article

[kane]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Who cares? Born however doesn't mean you can't control your actions and behavior just as we all must. First message should always be "too fucking bad, we're watching you"... not "Oh, its not your fault..." I'm tired of a society that's increasingly relying on the "its not my fault" explanation for everything and always always being handed an easy and convenient excuse.

Also, your comment is like saying "all gays are genetically gay", which ignores all other components and the degree to which they are present or absent. All psychological issues, afflictions, disorders etc are complex and most often multifaceted and equally complex in their root causes.

Part of the problem many of these people have is the inability to control their actions. I'm not dismissing their actions nor am I making excuses or forgiving them, I'm just trying to understand why they do what they do. Is it the alcoholic's fault they are an alcoholic? No. But it is their fault when they know they are an alcoholic and they know what triggers them to want to drink and they still put themselves into those situations? Yes. So I wonder what it is in a person that has them put themselves in those situations time and again.

As for all gays being genetically gay, well, I believe that is likely the case. Are there a small number of people out there who choose that life or choose to experiment? Sure, it is possible, but even with them there is something in them that is at least partially gay. I am a pretty laid back, open-minded guy, but the idea of having sex with another man is something I simply would be physically incapable of doing. There has to be something genetic in a person that leads them to being open to that kind of thing.

Yes, it is all complex and I can't claim to have all the answers, but I do wonder what causes some people to act in certain ways and I think for many it is a hardwired, biological thing.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by kane

Part of the problem many of these people have is the inability to control their actions.

Inability to not rape a child and involuntary attraction to a child are not the same thing. We all have the ability to not hurt / rape someone. Those that don't and who are not legally competent to stand trial are very few. It's not a good thing to put everyone who breaks the law under the umbrella of "its not his fault"

Yes, it is all complex and I can't claim to have all the answers, but I do wonder what causes some people to act in certain ways and I think for many it is a hardwired, biological thing.

Though I might agree to a point, i think its a mistake to put everyone under that same umbrella and that's what I don't like about that line of thinking. That line of thinking says that now the child rapist/abuser is also the victim.

I doubt the pathology of motivation is comparable to that of an addict.

Ultimately every thought, behavior and action distills down to brain function and any action can be argued to have a causal relationship between behavior and "abnormal" brain function on some level.

As for the motivation of ones actions, its always a complex combination of innate and learned behaviors. It does (in my opinion) a great disservice to everyone to over simplify that as it requires one to completely ignore a very broad spectrum of factors for a convenient answer.


Btw... for "Gay", I would say that men and women are probably best looked at differently in that respect. We approach relationships very differently and with a distinctly different set of emotional and physical needs. I don't think there is much question that past abuse/trauma can be a sole factor. I don't think there is much question that genetics alone can be a sole factor. I don' think there is much question that any woman can wake up one day and decide to go down on her friend. In fact, that conversation itself always lacks a clear definition of what "gay" actually is.

[epitome]

How is this being tied to being gay when it's mostly heterosexual men that abuse girls?

Gay = consenting acts between adults.

Pedophilia = non-consenting acts with children.

That's like comparing pedophiles and child molesters to gun owners or those with red hair.

[kane]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Inability to not rape a child and involuntary attraction to a child are not the same thing. We all have the ability to not hurt / rape someone. Those that don't and who are not legally competent to stand trial are very few. It's not a good thing to put everyone who breaks the law under the umbrella of "its not his fault"



Though I might agree to a point, i think its a mistake to put everyone under that same umbrella and that's what I don't like about that line of thinking. That line of thinking says that now the child rapist/abuser is also the victim.

I doubt the pathology of motivation is comparable to that of an addict.

Ultimately every thought, behavior and action distills down to brain function and any action can be argued to have a causal relationship between behavior and "abnormal" brain function on some level.

As for the motivation of ones actions, its always a complex combination of innate and learned behaviors. It does (in my opinion) a great disservice to everyone to over simplify that as it requires one to completely ignore a very broad spectrum of factors for a convenient answer.


Btw... for "Gay", I would say that men and women are probably best looked at differently in that respect. We approach relationships very differently and with a distinctly different set of emotional and physical needs. I don't think there is much question that past abuse/trauma can be a sole factor. I don't think there is much question that genetics alone can be a sole factor. I don' think there is much question that any woman can wake up one day and decide to go down on her friend. In fact, that conversation itself always lacks a clear definition of what "gay" actually is.

When it comes to people carrying out an any act that willfully harms a child or another person I think there is something "wrong" with them. This doesn't necessarily mean that they are incompetent or unaware of what they are doing. The problem is that they either lack that barricade that keeps the rest of us from acting in this manner or they have something in them that causes them to push through that.

When it comes to these people I categorize them in two different ways. There are those who look and potentially fantasize about situations involving their potential "victim." They never do anything more than that and don't act on it. These feelings could cause them problems in living a normal life, but they never actually hurt anyone other then, potentially, themselves. Then there are those who take it one step further and act on it. Anyone who acts to hurt a kid or another adult in order to gain gratification from the act are, in my mind, deeply damaged people. Again, this doesn't mean they don't know right from wrong and that they don't know they are doing wrong, but there is something inside them, be it a chemical/physical problem or an emotional problem or both that causes them to push past that point where a normal person would stop.

So I don't compare them to an addict as a way to make them out as the victim of an illness, but more as an example of how some people have a problem, know they have a problem, but seem to be powerless to stop themselves from acting out in a way that is destructive.

[kane]

Originally Posted by epitome

How is this being tied to being gay when it's mostly heterosexual men that abuse girls?

Gay = consenting acts between adults.

Pedophilia = non-consenting acts with children.

That's like comparing pedophiles and child molesters to gun owners or those with red hair.

The statistics actually show that gay men are significantly less likely to molest or sexually abuse a child than straight guys, but people have strange perceptions. On several occasions I have had people find out I was in the porn business and ask me if I did anything involving kids. When I told them I was actually offended that they would even think that they said, "Well, most of those people are." Meaning most porn people are abusing kids.

[vdbucks]

Originally Posted by OY

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...0,197689.story

If this is true, then it is really really scary - and I would put my money on a PILL that would help for this.

PS. A must read, not just comment, because what is written in this article will really trip you up.

A pill for this, a pill for that... mix those pills with the mainstream media and you end up with more mass murders and sheep crying for the government to take the rest of our constitutional rights away...

How about people man the fuck up, stop making excuses and take some fucking responsibility for their own lives...

[OY]

Originally Posted by ArielRebel

wow awesome read... Thanks for linking this article

Welcome.

I found it interesting as well, and that LA Times wrote it just made it that more interesting. What a bizarre subject, yet so relevant and scary...

[JP-pornshooter]

Originally Posted by blonda80

Pedophiles must be castrated and forgot in jails

Originally Posted by Mutt

No suprise to me - nobody chooses to be a pedophile or homesexual. It's not the pedophile's fault, and the most troubling part of that article, is that it suggests that controlling the impluses to act on the desire is also out of the pedophile's control. So what to do since we have no real answer for them at this time? If as a society we become too sympathetic to their plight some of them will no doubt interpret that as society becoming more accepting and they'll be more likely to act on their desires. Most pedophiles don't molest kids, they know it's wrong, so they look at child porn and get off. If we block their access to child porn does that make them more frustrated and more likely to molest a child?

The evidence keeps piling up that the brain moreso than early social development is responsible for psychological and aberrant behaviors/illness. It's probably a mixture of the two

they are physical sick people, they cannot control themselves, only the above solution will work.

by medz or by surgery, i dont really care.

[ReggieDurango]

DamianJ is going to be SO offended and insulted by this thread and discussion.

[JimmyTheGeek]

Originally Posted by crazydollars

Is it the same with fags? Are they born that way?

If so, they should legalize it, just like gay marriages.

I think he is against gay marriage, and trying to make a point. At least I hope so. Surely you are not *really* recommending legalizing pedophilia!

[adultmobile]

What about the pedo island for Californians:

http://www.aolnews.com/2010/05/21/ca...sex-offenders/
http://la.curbed.com/archives/2010/0...ile_island.php
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Lh_dxnqde-A

Britain got one already, the Pitcairn Island:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/31/wo...=pitcairn&_r=0

About islands, Mangaia seems abetter destination for them, however:
http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Cultu...s_in_sexuality

There's also the gay islands:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etoro_people

[JFK]

Originally Posted by vvvvv

If I had a nickel for every time I have had to remind friends that have come to the house (outside of this industry mind you!) to stop looking at my daughters ass, I'd have an awful lot of gumballs.

so , lets qualify this............how old is your daughter ?

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Originally Posted by adultmobile

There's also the gay islands:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etoro_people

LOLOL @ The Paul Markham references :D

[crazydollars]

Originally Posted by JP-pornshooter

they are physical sick people, they cannot control themselves, only the above solution will work.

by medz or by surgery, i dont really care.

Lets casrate/medicate fags too, since they are sick people engaging in deviant acts.

[crazydollars]

Originally Posted by epitome

Pedophilia = non-consenting acts with children.

Most of the time, they consent to it and actually enjoy it.

[Rockhound]

Originally Posted by kane

You're just trolling right? Because you can't be this dumb.

My thoughts exactly

[Paul_Matthews]

End of the day, no matter what the individual predisposition is, if its morally wrong to do so - then just don't do it!

Personal weakness is unfortunately thriving in today's society, with less and less people taking accountability for their personal urges and obsessions. Some can successfully handle things and kudos to them, but others are just too weak to be able to act accordingly to stop themselves from acting out. A pedo who is desperate to not do any harm always has chemical castration or some other 'severe' solution.

I would personally love to use my extensive military skills in a vigilante sense to dole out justice to those who have very obviously fallen through the cracks of the justice system through some technicality (think Dexter), but I can't. I get enraged at some things (such as at molesters of toddlers and babies!!), and have to physically stop myself from acting out. That person undoubtedly has friends or family that have some form of connection with him/her, and so my actions would affect more than just what is thought immediately.

That is why the justice system was created, and a system of norms and ethics put in place. One unfortunately just has to adhere!