Can't compare cars and guns, because cars are infinitely more useful to civilian society than guns. We can lose guns, but not cars -- unless you want to put wheels on a rifle and load people into it.

New York passes major gun control law -- registration of all ASSAULT weapons required, as per the bill.

government must have fubar'ed the jargon.

mr. phere, you have your work cut out for you......

the new york bill:

Beginning in 1 year:

An assault weapon is any firearm with a detachable magazine, period
All assault weapons will be registered
7 rounds maximum is the new magic number
Any magazine larger than 10 rounds will be confiscated
No new 10 round magazines allowed after this new ban, preban 10-rounders are grandfathered (7rounds max)
NICS background check to buy 1 bullet, which can only be sold by authorized retailers



derp eh.

How are laws like that going to stop things from happening like what happened in Connecticut? The kid supposedly stole the guns from his mother, it wouldn't have made any difference if the guns were "registered" or not.

i couldn't care less.


i posted that to point out to dude that his definition of assault is not getting very far with the no-gun nuts and in the general populace.

Why can you not understand the difference between assault rifle and assault weapon?

"derp" indeed.

Where does it say rifles and guns only?

If the Russians and Jews had assault rifles, the Holocaust would have gone a lot differently.

Technically, aren't all firearms made with the purpose of "assaulting" enemies or targets? Surely that's what you would call throwing high speed projectiles at someone with intent to do harm.

Sure, I have a car, but it's a non-driving car. It's the kind that wasn't made to actually go anywhere. I plant flower in it and use it for a lawn ornament. It sure was expensive, though.

Assaulting is what firearms are FOR. It's the definition of their function, their raison d'etre. Discussing which firearm is for assaulting what target and in what particular fashion may be beside the point.

it's fun????? :helpme

Our right to have guns was not put into our constitution for hunting. That is a common misconception perpetrated by the media. It is to fight against government tyranny. As long as everything is cool, you don't need a semi automatic rifle with a big clip. But ask the Korean Grocers on top of their store during the South Central riots if they needed assault rifles when mobs of looters were roaming the streets looking for places to loot and people to beat up. When the infrastructure breaks down due to a natural disaster, or man made disaster, and the police can't handle the level of chaos, then we need the power to protect ourselves from mayhem. I know you probably believe the government always has your personal interests in mind and they just want to make sure you and your family is safe with everything they do, but there are those of us who like the check and balance of an armed population.

this isn't about me. I couldn't give a shit what the difference is when it comes down to it. but it's clear you did not read 1 word of the actual bill.

I simply came in here and posted a link to an article about some assault rifles that can double as hunting rifles, you are the one with the need to have everyone on your page using your jargon.

So people can't go to Walmart and buy a Ruger 10/22 with a factory ten round magazine?

hey derpy,

N.Y. ADC. LAW § 10-301 : NY Code - Section 10-301: Control and regulation of the disposition, purchase and possession of firearms, rifles, shotguns and assault weapons

http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/nycode/ADC/10/3/10-301


an assault weapon is defined as "Any semiautomatic centerfire or rimfire rifle or semiautomatic shotgun which has one or more ... features, ..., Any shotgun with a revolving-cylinder magazine, ..., (or,) Any part, or combination of parts, designed or redesigned or intended to readily convert a rifle or shotgun into an assault weapon."
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as i said, you have a lot of work to do to get everybody on your page of definitions.

Firearms stand next in importance to the constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth ~ tendencies prove that to ensure peace, security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable. - George Washington

The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that... it is their right and duty to be at all times armed. - Thomas Jefferson

People are being taught the opposite now, that they are powerless and all power should reside in the centralized government.

Most people don't know what they're talking about. But this guy sure seems to:

It's not MY page of definitions, as pointed out in the definition that you posted. It is clearly defined and says assault weapon, not assault rifle.

Whoever taught you reading comprehension, owes you an apology.

who is the resident gun nut? mr phere ?

you know, i could try and explain to you how assault rifle falls under the definition of assault weapon but I know that would zing right over ya head, so instead i'll point out the obvious-

i originally posted a comment that cleared up 1 of the OP's misconceptions about assault weapons and in so doing also provided a link and testimony showing the validity of assault rifles in hunting, in essence arguing FOR the right to be able to own that sort of weapon

and it was the gun nut in the thread who waxed right over that point in favor of smugly pointing out he is the only one who understands the lingo.


if any of you gun nuts want to understand what your problem is in arguing your position, you only need to look at this.

that was in 1776 250 years ago. The US wont let you own a cannon today, but people could have them back then. you do get to bear arms, its called hand guns but you can't have machine guns or rocket launchers right? the assault rifle is no different it is military and has no purpose with private citizens you can't deny that either.

why you need sks, you a bad shot and need 100 rounds to hit it ? why not just throw sticks of dynomite at it hahahaha :1orglaugh

you could kill a boar with a slug and shot gun.

And nothing has changed concerning the purpose of the 2nd Amendment. The threat of tyranny and oppression will always exist.

Yes assault rifles do have a purpose... the purpose which is explained in the 2nd Amendment.

The 2nd Amendment has nothing to do with hunting so it's pretty pointless to even bring it up.

You did not post to an article about assault rifles.

This is what I've been trying to point out. Assault rifle and assault weapon have two different legal definitions.

And you keep going on about the two as if they are the same.

An assault weapon is legal for most people to own and does not have to be registered in most states. But an assault rifle does have to be registered with the federal government, and some states do not allow their possession at all. Get caught with an unregistered assault rifle and you'll be spending 5 to 10 years in federal prison.

They are clearly very different.

it's like shooting fish in a barrel with an assault rifle! lolz.


keep on fighting yourself mr. pheer. you can keep up with the "cleary very different" all day and while you are standing on your soap box about that, anti-assault weapons bills are passing.

classic.

well there is a practical purpose to a car, it is a means of transportation.
the speed limit is not absolute, some places you can safely go faster so some flexibility is in order.
some cars have speed chips, and i am pretty sure more of this technology is coming.
this is a different debate though, but if your objective is to save lives then it should be looked upon.
however it should not detract from the gun control debate.

Ok.

and then...

^^ not a single assault rifle in all 21 pages of that article.

Classic.

you guys are a lone ways from flint lock rifle and revolver pistol. :2 cents:

then why cant you have a canon, automatic gun, gernade ???

So what? The principle remains the same regardless of the type of gun.

We can't have Cuban cigars or cocaine either... no one said it's a completely free country...

Watch the video I posted.

And actually, those weapons are allowed as NFA items in most states. Except for cannons... I'm not sure about that one.

Automatic guns, grenades, silencers, etc are allowed with background checks, a $200 tax stamp, and about 2 - 4 months to process the paperwork.

I think most people can agree that "arms" refers to firearms, not grenades, canons, etc.

cannons for sale

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei...=1293&bih=1078

it's cannon, not canon. how can we have a legitimate gfy discussion about the matter if you do not use proper lingo/jargon/terminology? we can't. And there are legal issues with your only including firearms in your definition of arms.






















I keed. i keed. !!11

Keep your chin up, kyro, you will go through puberty SOME DAY.

You are quite wrong and thank you for demonstrating the ignorance of the (below) average anti-gunner.

Properly registered (National Firearms Act) machine guns are quite legal. Certain kinds of cannons, specifically muzzle loading cannons are completely legal. Breechloading cannons are controlled by the National Firearms Act (NFA) as "Destructive Devices" and upon application and payment of the tax are completely legal under federal law.

I think that you would not know an assault rifle if you dropped one on your foot but your misguided effort was cute.

:2 cents:

I own multiple assault rifles.

I am the sort of person who likes to be prepared for everything. I live through an earthquake where we didn't have power for a week, and now we stock extra food "just in case". Not a big deal, just make sure we always have a few extra cases of water on hand and extra canned goods. More recently most of my hometown had to evacuate on very short notice due to a propane train fire, and while I didn't have to evacuate most of my neighbors did and they had horror stories about how they had to live away from home with such short notice. We keep little escape bags in the garage so if we ever have to leave, we'll have a few days of clothes on hand when we leave.

Over the past few years the economy has been rough, and in the back my mind I had some "quiet concerns" that if anything was to happen - riots, society breaking down, end of the world stuff - it would be nice to be prepared.

For me, firearms are tools. They were a tool we used to hunt deer with, and off season we did some target practice. Today the NRA has turned it into a huge industry, and has a large percentage of the population living in fear and making us feel the need to "protect ourselves" while over all crime is dropping. While I understand this is a hobby for some people - a lot of people - assault rifles is not something the general public needs. Fun, yes, sure, but not something you should need to defend your house with. An AR15 is the weapon I trained with in boot camp, the M16. Unless you plan on going up against a dozen people, you don't need an assault rifle.

according to mr pheer you do not own any assault rifles. only the military does. :2 cents: