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Old 12-13-2012, 02:00 PM   #601
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some parts were accurate, some were not. full name was pretty annoying to be honest, but whatever what can ya do. We bought phub from a dude named Gary for 3k, I don't know where they got this pboy mansion story from.
3K?

pretty good return on investment!
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Old 12-13-2012, 02:02 PM   #602
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3K?

pretty good return on investment!
the word hub was pretty meaningless back then, we got lucky!
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pretty good return on investment!

don't forget all the content they had up on it to give out for free to increase the traffic there....they must have spent a fortune on that
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don't forget all the content they had up on it to give out for free to increase the traffic there....they must have spent a fortune on that
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I hate to burst your ego, but it doesn't matter if he's ever stepped foot on a set. He funds many sets and is the guy with the most money, which is all that matters. Huffington Post and Gawker won't even know it if you are arrested tomorrow. Seems like everybody knows the owner of YouPorn and Porn Hub was arrested.

It doesn't matter who was there first, but instead who makes the most money.

Having said that, I do bet he regrets some of his posts here on "tax optimization" and I really question his judgment. He has to have known he has a huge target painted on his back. It would be ironic if this is all over a couple million dollars.
I would much rather be a rich newbie than a broke ass pioneer lol

And who in their right mind would want to be a pornographer?
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some parts were accurate, some were not. full name was pretty annoying to be honest, but whatever what can ya do. We bought phub from a dude named Gary for 3k, I don't know where they got this pboy mansion story from.
Interesting. It said you left the company (before the others sold to Fabian) - is that true? Care to elaborate on why the early departure? I'm guessing you were just done with the "porn thing"?
And what are you doing with yourself these days?
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Old 12-13-2012, 02:21 PM   #608
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Interesting. It said you left the company (before the others sold to Fabian) - is that true? Care to elaborate on why the early departure? I'm guessing you were just done with the "porn thing"?
And what are you doing with yourself these days?
somewhat true, when we merged interhub and mansef together, brazzer and I stepped out of operations. about a year later, company was sold.

I'm just chilling, drinking mojitos on the beach everyday
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somewhat true, when we merged interhub and mansef together, brazzer and I stepped out of operations. about a year later, company was sold.

I'm just chilling, drinking mojitos on the beach everyday
Some self styled "pornographers" might hate on you for the content angle, but you are an inspiration to darker hat SEOs everywhere.

What you did with those sites was just unreal. Over the years there have been a few inspirational takeovers of the adult serps that I've seen but nothing with that longevity. Well done!
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somewhat true, when we merged interhub and mansef together, brazzer and I stepped out of operations. about a year later, company was sold.

I'm just chilling, drinking mojitos on the beach everyday

I heard you were trying to buy a minority stock in Celtic...

...or was that Snoop Dog?
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By that analogy only pornstars are in the porn industry right?

Tbh I don't care, I just think its funny how people can argue about being in this industry or not ;)
Having a gfy nick puts you in the industry.
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... but I am reading this thread too lol
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somewhat true, when we merged interhub and mansef together, brazzer and I stepped out of operations. about a year later, company was sold.

I'm just chilling, drinking mojitos on the beach everyday
What was up with the .gov seizing your funds?

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as far as I know/hear the whole story is for a personal tax issue that was in the process to be settled anyhow.

Dont jump to conclusions so easily...
I was waiting for that. Right on time.

Personal tax issues that were in the process to be settled don't land you in jail waiting to be extradited in another country.

You're either part of the spin or incredibly gullible if you believe this.

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this "real pornographer" talk becomes really tiresome

i have met quite a few of those "real pornographers" and most of them are simply criminals. And almost none of them treat their business like a real business - they first and foremost either fulfill their perverted fantasies or needed the porn biz to hide their money they made from prostitution

those times are over - accept it - it's a business like any other now
But they are pornographers. There is a unique difference between a true pornographer and someone in the porn business, even if that someone produces porn. Any jack ass can hold a camera and film people fucking. However, it takes a true visionary and/or pervert to make real pornography and capture the true sexuality and perversion of it all.

Perhaps that is why most porn completely sucks these days and lacks real sexuality and true perversion. Pornography needs perverts. When you take the perverts out of porn, you're left with a stagnate industry where the best idea anyone can come up with is some douche bag cutting a hole in a pizza box and delivering a pizza, fake creampies, and 35 year old worn out whores dressed up like schoolgirls and sold as teens.

Most produced porn these days is so unwankable. This probably has a lot to do with sagging sales. Porn needs perverts. It can't be all businessmen trying to produce porn, because most of them suck at it. Let the perverts make it and the businessmen sell it.

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Hey Keezah, I'm trying to think have we ever met, spoken, or chatted? I know you and Michael spoke quite a bit don't think we ever did. Did we?
Shap, what's the best way to contact you these days?
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But they are pornographers. There is a unique difference between a true pornographer and someone in the porn business, even if that someone produces porn. Any jack ass can hold a camera and film people fucking. However, it takes a true visionary and/or pervert to make real pornography and capture the true sexuality and perversion of it all.

Perhaps that is why most porn completely sucks these days and lacks real sexuality and true perversion. Pornography needs perverts. When you take the perverts out of porn, you're left with a stagnate industry where the best idea anyone can come up with is some douche bag cutting a hole in a pizza box and delivering a pizza, fake creampies, and 35 year old worn out whores dressed up like schoolgirls and sold as teens.
This is so true, but it's true of every business/art/discipline

The problem is that adult is an industry and art form which lacks discipline and proper guidance and training and most people hide themselves in one way or another, which is why adult shouldn't be taken seriously by anyone outside of it.

I'm sure, the real pioneering pervs could have passed down some of their acumen, but in the end, it's a personal thing- like the act which it attempts to convey.

You can't teach someone to be a perv with a camera- you just are or aren't.
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But they are pornographers. There is a unique difference between a true pornographer and someone in the porn business, even if that someone produces porn. Any jack ass can hold a camera and film people fucking. However, it takes a true visionary and/or pervert to make real pornography and capture the true sexuality and perversion of it all.

Perhaps that is why most porn completely sucks these days and lacks real sexuality and true perversion. Pornography needs perverts. When you take the perverts out of porn, you're left with a stagnate industry where the best idea anyone can come up with is some douche bag cutting a hole in a pizza box and delivering a pizza, fake creampies, and 35 year old worn out whores dressed up like schoolgirls and sold as teens.

Most produced porn these days is so unwankable. This probably has a lot to do with sagging sales. Porn needs perverts. It can't be all businessmen trying to produce porn, because most of them suck at it. Let the perverts make it and the businessmen sell it.



As usual DWB was able to word this perfectly.
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And who in their right mind would want to be a pornographer?
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Actually, he should.



But they are pornographers. There is a unique difference between a true pornographer and someone in the porn business, even if that someone produces porn. Any jack ass can hold a camera and film people fucking. However, it takes a true visionary and/or pervert to make real pornography and capture the true sexuality and perversion of it all.

Perhaps that is why most porn completely sucks these days and lacks real sexuality and true perversion. Pornography needs perverts. When you take the perverts out of porn, you're left with a stagnate industry where the best idea anyone can come up with is some douche bag cutting a hole in a pizza box and delivering a pizza, fake creampies, and 35 year old worn out whores dressed up like schoolgirls and sold as teens.

Most produced porn these days is so unwankable. This probably has a lot to do with sagging sales. Porn needs perverts. It can't be all businessmen trying to produce porn, because most of them suck at it. Let the perverts make it and the businessmen sell it.




i already wrote earlier that my post to Panos was meant differently than you and Due understood it - it goes back to a conversation i had with him about posting on GFY

and for the rest i'd like to refer to the car industry - which to me is a perfect mirror for the porn industry

also there you had many small enthusiasts in the beginning which made highly sophisticated cars but in too small numbers to survive.

nowadays you have a small number of companies that own dozens of brands and make billions of revenue while the number of small indipendent manufacturers like Morgan goes close to zero.

now building a car is more difficult than building a pornsite - so there will be still small independent paysite owners around. but this industry is on the same way - if you like it or not - and it will never return to what it was like 10 or 20 years ago.

it's a business - there's nothing romantic about it.
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Look who it is.... one of the original thieving fucks from mansef..... the company who started all of this. Someone needs to beat your head with a hammer you sorry piece of shit.
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i already wrote earlier that my post to Panos was meant differently than you and Due understood it - it goes back to a conversation i had with him about posting on GFY

and for the rest i'd like to refer to the car industry - which to me is a perfect mirror for the porn industry

also there you had many small enthusiasts in the beginning which made highly sophisticated cars but in too small numbers to survive.

nowadays you have a small number of companies that own dozens of brands and make billions of revenue while the number of small indipendent manufacturers like Morgan goes close to zero.

now building a car is more difficult than building a pornsite - so there will be still small independent paysite owners around. but this industry is on the same way - if you like it or not - and it will never return to what it was like 10 or 20 years ago.

it's a business - there's nothing romantic about it.
youcar.com - free car use! That would be AWESOME! ;-)
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i already wrote earlier that my post to Panos was meant differently than you and Due understood it - it goes back to a conversation i had with him about posting on GFY

and for the rest i'd like to refer to the car industry - which to me is a perfect mirror for the porn industry

also there you had many small enthusiasts in the beginning which made highly sophisticated cars but in too small numbers to survive.

nowadays you have a small number of companies that own dozens of brands and make billions of revenue while the number of small indipendent manufacturers like Morgan goes close to zero.

now building a car is more difficult than building a pornsite - so there will be still small independent paysite owners around. but this industry is on the same way - if you like it or not - and it will never return to what it was like 10 or 20 years ago.

it's a business - there's nothing romantic about it.
terrible analogy, but the only true thing you said is that it's a business.

no one is denying that or that you can make tons of cash.

what you're saying is only true if you compare a Big Mac to a filet mignon.

yeah they're both beef, no difference, who cares?

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youcar.com - free car use! That would be AWESOME! ;-)
i know that this is hard to imagine for some people in some countries - but i dont see that as impossible over here

car sharing for example is becoming bigger and bigger and why buy a car when there are hundreds of cars parked in my city that i can take whenever i need one - and only pay for the time i use it.
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youcar.com - free car use! That would be AWESOME! ;-)
Have to figure out how to steal gas then to make it run.
I dont think you can scrape membership areas for gasoline.

Would that make you the King of the Auto biz though?
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i know that this is hard to imagine for some people in some countries - but i dont see that as impossible over here

car sharing for example is becoming bigger and bigger and why buy a car when there are hundreds of cars parked in my city that i can take whenever i need one - and only pay for the time i use it.
Jesus Christ I need that service! Los Angeles would be a difficult city in which to implement that though, I imagine, because it's so fucking expansive. A real urban city that is actually a city, San Francisco for example, is adopting this more and more I believe.
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Look who it is.... one of the original thieving fucks from mansef..... the company who started all of this. Someone needs to beat your head with a hammer you sorry piece of shit.
I'm guessing you don't like him.
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………………….. lol
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i already wrote earlier that my post to Panos was meant differently than you and Due understood it - it goes back to a conversation i had with him about posting on GFY

and for the rest i'd like to refer to the car industry - which to me is a perfect mirror for the porn industry

also there you had many small enthusiasts in the beginning which made highly sophisticated cars but in too small numbers to survive.

nowadays you have a small number of companies that own dozens of brands and make billions of revenue while the number of small indipendent manufacturers like Morgan goes close to zero.

now building a car is more difficult than building a pornsite - so there will be still small independent paysite owners around. but this industry is on the same way - if you like it or not - and it will never return to what it was like 10 or 20 years ago.

it's a business - there's nothing romantic about it.
I don't debate it being a business. It's always been a business. But your comment about the "real pornographers" being undesirables, well, porn needs those guys. Porn needs them just as much as they need the Fabians who can get it to the market. We're not creating cars, we're making porn that is supposed to get a sexual reaction out of a guy so he wants to jerk off and hopefully pay to do so. And while it is a business, it's a dirty one that needs creative and perverted people to make it if they want it to be good. And I'm not talking about BF and GF amateur content, I mean real porn shot by a producer.

There is a reason why there are only a handful of top and well known directors out there and 100s if not 1000s of of guys who also make porn but no one has ever heard of them. And if you know any of them personally you also know most of them are sexual deviants and true perverts themselves. They have to be. But THAT is what makes great porn. Those guys are real pornographers, not just guys who make porn.

And there should be something romantic about it. If not, you're just making mechanical shit for the sake of trying to make a few bucks. Passion and perversion is what it's all about. And it takes certain kind of people to know how to capture that properly. That's why I say let the perverts make it and the businessmen sell it. Let the creation of porn be done by twisted guys who do romanticize about it, and you'll get a better product. Let the marketing and sales be done by guys who understand how to do it better, and you'll sell more product and build stronger brands. Very few people can wear both hats and do them both well.
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Wow the thieves are showing up to spread the Manwin line...They even pulled one of the big guns out

all we need in here now are OY, Bob Rice and personalporn.....

nothing like a reunion of shit bags....
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Wow the thieves are showing up to spread the Manwin line...They even pulled one of the big guns out

all we need in here now are OY, Bob Rice and personalporn.....

nothing like a reunion of shit bags....
Who's personalporn? Please shed some light for we ignoramii !
And I'm guessing OY is Brazzer aka Sammy aka hahahahaha aka wissam?
I shouldn't talk though, I probably have just as many porn names!!
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If Fabian stays in jail and misses a payment to you guys, does that mean Manwin turns back into Mansef?

That would be something.
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I don't debate it being a business. It's always been a business. But your comment about the "real pornographers" being undesirables, well, porn needs those guys. Porn needs them just as much as they need the Fabians who can get it to the market. We're not creating cars, we're making porn that is supposed to get a sexual reaction out of a guy so he wants to jerk off and hopefully pay to do so. And while it is a business, it's a dirty one that needs creative and perverted people to make it if they want it to be good. And I'm not talking about BF and GF amateur content, I mean real porn shot by a producer.

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And there should be something romantic about it. If not, you're just making mechanical shit for the sake of trying to make a few bucks. Passion and perversion is what it's all about. And it takes certain kind of people to know how to capture that properly. That's why I say let the perverts make it and the businessmen sell it. Let the creation of porn be done by twisted guys who do romanticize about it, and you'll get a better product. Let the marketing and sales be done by guys who understand how to do it better, and you'll sell more product and build stronger brands. Very few people can wear both hats and do them both well.
we might agree that we disagree...

but i am very convinced that 95% of the guys that jerk off do not see the difference between the passion that you put in your production and what other producers shoot for Manwin for example.

we shot 200+ episodes for something like a german bang bus - and people still ask me if those were real or staged.

the eye you have for porn is not what the majority of the consumers have - they see tits and ass and then the brain shuts down.

and from there it's only about who gets their money.
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So what? This has ZERO relevance to what I posted. Back then your average surfers needed direction on how to surf NG's. Let alone have the knowledge, content, or equipment to scan photos in mass and upload them to the NG's

That's my point. Danial and Fabian recognized the net was far easier for your average surfer as their numbers exploded these kids figure out a way to hack and harvest NG group images formatted and ready to be sold to pay-websites who profited immensely due to the lack of content bottleneck.

So yes, again, they were pioneers because they were able to fill a void in a critical time that generate enough revenue for the rest to understand, porn on the internet is incredibly profitable. These two kids later understood their timing made many so incredibly wealthy as they got nothing comparatively.

So does it really shock anyone that Fabian would exploit a loophole and become wealthy this second time around? ..or that Sudden said fuck it, I going to go get mine?
Your post made it sound like it was incredibly expensive and sophisticated and I simply said that was bullshit.

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Who's personalporn? Please shed some light for we ignoramii !
And I'm guessing OY is Brazzer aka Sammy aka hahahahaha aka wissam?
I shouldn't talk though, I probably have just as many porn names!!
you got oy right


personalporn scraped usenet, websites and and members areas and made the photos available for content feeds to webmasters.

Steve Sweet filed suit and won, essentially shutting them down they were the first big incarnation of a thievery model that Fabian has embraced to this day that I can recall.
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I have question for you Mike and hope you could answer it from your core 100% truthfully?

If Fabian was a Jew, would you still be going after him so relentlessly?
Absolutely...I'd have done the same if Donny Long was a jew too. and thats a 100% honest answer. Being agnostic with Buddhist philosophy the whole religion/race/gender thing doesnt enter into it at all
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age... great tits though, still bouncy nom nom
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