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notjoe 12-18-2012 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Slappin Fish (Post 19376518)
Riiight...

surveys are made with 2000 participants but google's over 12 MILLION URL's removed are not representative? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Hardsextube has 80,240 videos? great. To give you an "order of grandeur" rapidgator has had 118,428 links removed in the last month alone more than your estimated total videos on hst. :2 cents:

Shesh, are you really that blind you can't read simple stats?

Makes sense. Links get taken down and then the content gets re-added. If the content is never taken down (IE Tubesites) then there is never a need to re-add ti.

Shesh, are you really that stupid?

AdultKing 12-18-2012 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by notjoe (Post 19376573)
Makes sense. Links get taken down and then the content gets re-added. If the content is never taken down (IE Tubesites) then there is never a need to re-add ti.

Shesh, are you really that stupid?

notjoe, what is your point, what point are you trying to make other than being against any anti-piracy effort ?

Slappin Fish 12-18-2012 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by notjoe (Post 19376573)
Makes sense. Links get taken down and then the content gets re-added. If the content is never taken down (IE Tubesites) then there is never a need to re-add ti.

Shesh, are you really that stupid?

What big tube site doesn't take down reported content? Please tell me, easy money.


Google's transparency report :

rapidgator 402,774
zippyshare 524,004
ryushare 248,672
etc.

versus tubes :

redtube 901
xhamster 6,786
hardsextube 1,037
youporn 352


When you see these numbers if you still think there is more infringing content on tubes you are either retarded or trolling, I think the latter, I don't mind it bumps AK's thread.

If you are still not convinced, I'll make you a bet. You can pick any tube you like and find s.e. asian content, I bet you I can find more gb of stolen content in a single thread of a pirate forum than on your whole tube.

notjoe 12-18-2012 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Slappin Fish (Post 19376609)
What big tube site doesn't take down reported content? Please tell me, easy money.


Google's transparency report :

rapidgator 402,774
zippyshare 524,004
ryushare 248,672
etc.

versus tubes :

redtube 901
xhamster 6,786
hardsextube 1,037
youporn 352


When you see these numbers if you still think there is more infringing content on tubes you are either retarded or trolling, I think the latter, I don't mind it bumps AK's thread.

If you are still not convinced, I'll make you a bet. You can pick any tube you like and find s.e. asian content, I bet you I can find more gb of stolen content in a single thread of a pirate forum than on your whole tube.

I never said they don't take links down. What I did say is that is the stolen content is impossible to find then there will never be a take down noticed for it.

Let me walk you through this since you really cannot grasp the simple concept of what I am saying. I'll Give you two different situations.


PORN TUBE SITES:
1) You produce a scene. You call it Ashley Rebel, the babysitter.
2) I download that scene and upload it to xvideos.com. I give it the title of "Blonde slut taking it in the ass"

FILE LOCKERS:
1) You produce a scene. You call it Ashley Rebel, the babysitter.
2) I download the scene and upload it to a file locker. I label it as "Ashley Rebel, The Babysitter, from site XYZ.COM".

I can easily find the file on the file host because of how it is promoted. I WANT people to know what it is because that is what will make them want to download it and what will get me paid.

However, On the tube site, there is no reference for you to be able to search for said scene and file a complaint. Don't believe me? Just go look at a few of the descriptions of some of the videos on any given tube site. Good luck finding anything other than scenes with the most generic of tags (Anal, blonde, bondage).

And THAT is why there are way more takedown notices filed against file hosts than there are tube sites.

Shesh, are you really that stupid?

notjoe 12-18-2012 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 19376595)
notjoe, what is your point, what point are you trying to make other than being against any anti-piracy effort ?

Show me where I ever said I was against anti piracy efforts? In-fact, I can show you where I said I was PRO ANTI PIRACY. What I have been and will continue to do is question your motives.

Thanks for coming out though.

DWB 12-18-2012 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by notjoe (Post 19376498)
Did you ever stop to think that maybe the numbers are not a true reflection of copyright material?

Take http://www.hardsextube.com/ for example. 2006 pages worth of videos. 40 videos per pages. That is 80,240 videos. Realistically, how is a content owner supposed to be able to spot their copyrighted work within a mix of 80,000 videos?

Imagine you were trying to find your videos on xvideos.com which has 766,900. You might spot one or two videos here and there but the majority of the infringements will go unnoticed because it is next to impossible to find stolen content without it being specifically branded as the site/person/title that was used when it was stolen.

Shesh, are you guys really that stupid?

No, but appraently you are.

1) Ever hear of digital finger printing?

2) Ever hear of tags, titles, keywords, and the search feature?

3) You don't have to keep looking through 80,000 pages. You can hit them a few at a time and work your way through (or use a tool to help you), you will find the guys uploading your content and then you target them. Mix with keywords and tags, it's easy actually. I can clean out any tube site, no matter how many pages, in a matter of 15 - 30 mins. Then it's easy-peasy to manage from there. And once you target the large boys, most of the smaller ones scrape from those, so you kill them as well in one swoop many times.

4) There are other ways I won't tell you about, because in no way do I want to help those who are stealing from others.

Seriously, how do you make it through the day without tying your shoelaces together?

DWB 12-18-2012 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by notjoe (Post 19376702)
I never said they don't take links down. What I did say is that is the stolen content is impossible to find then there will never be a take down noticed for it.

Let me walk you through this since you really cannot grasp the simple concept of what I am saying. I'll Give you two different situations.


PORN TUBE SITES:
1) You produce a scene. You call it Ashley Rebel, the babysitter.
2) I download that scene and upload it to xvideos.com. I give it the title of "Blonde slut taking it in the ass"

FILE LOCKERS:
1) You produce a scene. You call it Ashley Rebel, the babysitter.
2) I download the scene and upload it to a file locker. I label it as "Ashley Rebel, The Babysitter, from site XYZ.COM".

I can easily find the file on the file host because of how it is promoted. I WANT people to know what it is because that is what will make them want to download it and what will get me paid.

However, On the tube site, there is no reference for you to be able to search for said scene and file a complaint. Don't believe me? Just go look at a few of the descriptions of some of the videos on any given tube site. Good luck finding anything other than scenes with the most generic of tags (Anal, blonde, bondage).

And THAT is why there are way more takedown notices filed against file hosts than there are tube sites.

Shesh, are you really that stupid?

:2 cents: Best laugh I've had all day.

You really need to keep up with the times and the tools available to you. I hope you're not looking for your videos one at a time like this.

AdultKing 12-18-2012 08:58 AM

I'd like notjoe to show me a tube where I can see thousands of gigabytes of complete site rips.

notjoe 12-18-2012 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by DWB (Post 19376708)
No, but appraently you are.

1) Ever hear of digital finger printing?

Lol, Have fun downloading every single video on xvideos and creating a fingerprint to compain against the fingerprints created for your video :)

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Originally Posted by DWB (Post 19376708)
2) Ever hear of tags, titles, keywords, and the search feature?

You must still have AK's covering your eyes. As I previously said, if someone tags the scene without any of the unique data you used originally, you'll never find it on a tube site.

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Originally Posted by DWB (Post 19376708)
3) You don't have to keep looking through 80,000 pages. You can hit them a few at a time and work your way through (or use a tool to help you), you will find the guys uploading your content and then you target them. Mix with keywords and tags, it's easy actually. I can clean out any tube site, no matter how many pages, in a matter of 15 - 30 mins. Then it's easy-peasy to manage from there. And once you target the large boys, most of the smaller ones scrape from those, so you kill them as well in one swoop many times.

If you only have one guy uploading your content you should really learn what you're doing because your content clearly sucks.

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Originally Posted by DWB (Post 19376708)
4) There are other ways I won't tell you about, because in no way do I want to help those who are stealing from others.

Where is your definitive proof that I am stealing from others? Calling me a thief and pirate without any sort of proof is a pretty bold move.

AdultKing 12-18-2012 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by notjoe (Post 19376759)
Lol, Have fun downloading every single video on xvideos and creating a fingerprint to compain against the fingerprints created for your video :)

You must still have AK's covering your eyes. As I previously said, if someone tags the scene without any of the unique data you used originally, you'll never find it on a tube site.

We have no trouble finding pirated content on tubes, I don't understand why you think it's so difficult.

DWB 12-18-2012 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by notjoe (Post 19376759)
Lol, Have fun downloading every single video on xvideos and creating a fingerprint to compain against the fingerprints created for your video :)

That is not how finger printing works. You only have to finger print your content. Not all the content in the world.

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Originally Posted by notjoe (Post 19376759)
You must still have AK's covering your eyes. As I previously said, if someone tags the scene without any of the unique data you used originally, you'll never find it on a tube site.

Keep telling yourself that. Like I said, it's easy to find your content on a tube site. For the past two years the only content that is on a tube site that belongs to me is content we have allowed or a fresh DVD rip we have not removed yet.


Quote:

Originally Posted by notjoe (Post 19376759)
If you only have one guy uploading your content you should really learn what you're doing because your content clearly sucks.

Guys. Not guy. And yes, it is easy to find the guys who are repeat offenders for uploading your content. Like I said, we have not had a problem with tubes in over two years now. Yet you're still crying about them as if they just happened. Tubes are TOTALLY manageable if you have the right tools. That doesn't mean I like them, but I learned how to manage them.

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Originally Posted by notjoe (Post 19376759)
Where is your definitive proof that I am stealing from others? Calling me a thief and pirate without any sort of proof is a pretty bold move.

Are you? I didn't say so. I said I'm not telling you because I'm not going to tell everyone who is stealing from everyone else. If you happen to fall into that category, that is on you. But I'm not announcing to every shit stain on GFY how content can be found so they can find a way to circumvent our efforts.

freakfiles 12-18-2012 12:23 PM

Represented?

You basically say that tubes are OK and it is strange to hear this in regards to sites that built their empire on 100% stolen content. Everybody knows that.

AK knows this very well and in fact has started a similar campaign against tubes a while back > gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1024634 < but then sold out to Manwin and the effort died down right alongside his opinion about tubes.

I would be very vary about this "get represented". AK has been funded by Manwin who are currently under a huge investigation. These people didn't pay their taxes and I'm not sure if AK pays all the taxes he has to, so I would stay away.

notjoe 12-18-2012 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB (Post 19376886)
That is not how finger printing works. You only have to finger print your content. Not all the content in the world.

Are YOU sure you know how it works?

"Video Fingerprint (VF) is a compact digital descriptor of a video signal. It describes the colors, scene structure and motion of objects, i.e. actual content. Two copies of a movie will have similar video fingerprints, even if they are acquired from different sources or have a different quality or format. You can extract these descriptors from any video signal that is acquired from any type of source: fragment of TV broadcast, video file, online video, DVD or Blu-ray Disk, etc. The resulting video fingerprints can be stored, copied and compared with each other.Video Fingerprint (VF) is a compact digital descriptor of a video signal. It describes the colors, scene structure and motion of objects, i.e. actual content. Two copies of a movie will have similar video fingerprints, even if they are acquired from different sources or have a different quality or format. You can extract these descriptors from any video signal that is acquired from any type of source: fragment of TV broadcast, video file, online video, DVD or Blu-ray Disk, etc. The resulting video fingerprints can be stored, copied and compared with each other."

Sounds like two videos are being compared.

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Originally Posted by DWB (Post 19376886)
Keep telling yourself that. Like I said, it's easy to find your content on a tube site. For the past two years the only content that is on a tube site that belongs to me is content we have allowed or a fresh DVD rip we have not removed yet.

Guys. Not guy. And yes, it is easy to find the guys who are repeat offenders for uploading your content. Like I said, we have not had a problem with tubes in over two years now. Yet you're still crying about them as if they just happened. Tubes are TOTALLY manageable if you have the right tools. That doesn't mean I like them, but I learned how to manage them.

How much is manwin paying you to rollover for tube sites?


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Originally Posted by DWB (Post 19376886)
Are you? I didn't say so. I said I'm not telling you because I'm not going to tell everyone who is stealing from everyone else. If you happen to fall into that category, that is on you. But I'm not announcing to every shit stain on GFY how content can be found so they can find a way to circumvent our efforts.

My apologies. I thought you had referenced me explicitly. In-fact, I'm 90% sure that was the case. Not sure if things got changed or I just misread what you wrote.

DWB 12-18-2012 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by notjoe (Post 19377429)
Are YOU sure you know how it works?

Yes. And all the biggest tubes offer this or participate in at least one finger printing system. Those choosing this method can clear the tubes of their content with total ease.

Quote:

Originally Posted by notjoe (Post 19377429)
How much is manwin paying you to rollover for tube sites?

$5062.27 a month.


Quote:

Originally Posted by notjoe (Post 19377429)
My apologies. I thought you had referenced me explicitly. In-fact, I'm 90% sure that was the case. Not sure if things got changed or I just misread what you wrote.

I don't say anything of real value here that could be used by pirates.

AdultKing 12-18-2012 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by freakfiles (Post 19377162)
Represented?

You basically say that tubes are OK and it is strange to hear this in regards to sites that built their empire on 100% stolen content. Everybody knows that.

I have never said illegal tubes are ok. What I have said is that they don't provide the same level of difficulty as file lockers, forums and torrents do.

There are no tubes that I know of that have thousands of gigabytes of entire site rips, yet there are more than a dozen file lockers that do.

Quote:

AK knows this very well and in fact has started a similar campaign against tubes a while back > gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1024634 < but then sold out to Manwin and the effort died down right alongside his opinion about tubes.
Manwin were one contributor out of over 40 contributors in the early days of the Stop File Lockers project. They do not contribute to us now, we are not beholden to them, in fact in the new year I plan to announce an offensive against copyright infringement occurring in the "on demand media" space - this will include tubes.

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I would be very vary about this "get represented". AK has been funded by Manwin who are currently under a huge investigation. These people didn't pay their taxes and I'm not sure if AK pays all the taxes he has to, so I would stay away.
It wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that if we are successful that we will end your illegitimate source of income would it ?

I put my real name and real identity on the line for this project and the anti-piracy cause, unlike you, and people like you, who hide behind keyboard personas without the guts to put their real name to what they say.

We are a credible threat to online piracy that has a proven track record of disrupting hundreds upon hundreds of piracy sites, it's no wonder that the pro-piracy movement feels the need to talk down our work.

AdultPornMasta 12-18-2012 05:40 PM

Yawn!

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...4sign/yawn.jpg

:2 cents:

DWB 12-19-2012 03:50 AM

bumped....

xes network 12-19-2012 03:54 PM

bump and thanks for johnny load for referring me to the copy control signup link . just entered our info looking forward to trying out the service.

Half man, Half Amazing 12-19-2012 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Slappin Fish (Post 19376518)
Riiight...

surveys are made with 2000 participants but google's over 12 MILLION URL's removed are not representative? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Hardsextube has 80,240 videos? great. To give you an "order of grandeur" rapidgator has had 118,428 links removed in the last month alone more than your estimated total videos on hst. :2 cents:

Shesh, are you really that blind you can't read simple stats?

Using the GTR to track filehosts is actually waaaaaaay underestimating it. FYI we have removed well over 3 million filehost infringements but rarely, if ever, report those to Google. The main reason is that for most filehosts you can't search them in Google, thus those individual file pages are never indexed by Google. To report them to Google isn't really necessary unless you're trying to just make a point that they are bad guys. But since you're limited to how much you can report to Google per day, reporting that in lieu of say Pornhub or PirateBay URLs is a waste of a URL.

:2 cents:


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