Ah I see now what he meant... I misinterpretted it as for instance:
$500/year(meaning $50/mo) whereas he meant $500/year (or alternatively $50/mo)

This issue has been addressed many times, I have spent an adequate amount of time placing on the public record why we chose file lockers to start with, I suggest you read up on it.

I've been down this path twice before, the first time was in June 2011 when I tried to get people involved in a non profit association to fight all forms of piracy. In the end I managed to get around three people on board and it fizzled entirely.

The second time was this year within the scope of the Stop File Lockers project. The insurmountable problem is that people have good intentions but just don't have the time to invest in the required work to get such an organisation to fly.

Correct, I dealt with this in the OP. Representation by Copy Control is not a replacement for your current DMCA arrangements, rather it's complimentary to them.

We do very different things all with the aim of shutting down the site on which deliberate commercial infringement exists or mitigating further infringement where site owners legitimately didn't know infringement was occurring.

I'd encourage very small rights holders to get in touch with us as we're bending over backwards to ensure that financial considerations don't stop anyone from getting represented.

If you have a cash flow issue or cannot afford to spend any more in a very tight market then contact us at members -at- copycontrol.org and we'll work with you to get you covered.

Where were you last year when this was tried before ? Where were you this year when we were asking for volunteers to help us get all this going ? It's really easy to talk on a forum, if you're willing to put your money where your mouth is get in touch with me.

Where have I apologized for piracy? On the contrary, I'm wondering why people like you are apparently so against going after the main stolen content sites, namely tubes.

If they're not effective, why is there not one single tube doing for movies what many tubes do for porn? Here's another task for you, to help you understand this simple point:

Post just one tube site dedicated to stolen Hollywood movies that other people in the film industry are supporting with advertising. An impossible task, of course, because we both know Hollywood doesn't financially support movie piracy websites, and we both know who is only too happy to -> the adult industry.

Are you going to admit you don't know the difference between a tube that hosts videos, and wilfully allows uploads of stolen content, and pages that simply embed videos that happen to be hosted elsewhere? All those sites do is make it even easier for Hollywood to locate and kill off the files where it matters, where they're hosted.

As I have patiently explained to you, whereas there are many porn tubes that survive on allowing people to upload stolen content, and having people within the adult industry support them, there is not a single equivalent site for stolen content from Hollywood. Why? Because it's fucking lunacy to allow such a thing and they can be stopped.

Are you a rights holder ? Do you have something of value to add to this thread or are you simply here to derail it ?

I started this thread to help rights holders become represented by Copy Control so that we can progress the fight against piracy, not for people on the sidelines to carp and bicker about where we should have begun dealing with the monumental issue of piracy.

We started with file lockers, as has been stated many times before there were reasons for that, I am not about to rehash them in this thread, go and read my many previous public statements on the matter.

Now that is out the way, I am asking rights holders to become represented by us so we can progress and widen our efforts. We need to polish off the file locker eco system however to be successful we need rights holders to stand up and be counted.

What we do is actively enforce your rights by working with web hosting companies, payment processing companies, banks, card associations, advertising networks and other service providers to have them stop working with the pirates and their sites.

Where organisations are un-cooperative we have a number of legal strategies that we employ to gain compliance.

We also liaise with law enforcement agencies and other government agencies to mitigate piracy on your behalf.

To get your company , brand or content represented by Copy Control we ask that you fill out this simple form.

http://copycontrol.org/get-represented/

once you fill out this form I will send you a copy of our rights-holder representation agreement for you to sign and return back to us.

you can also read about what representation will do for you at

http://copycontrol.org/services/

We work on a cost recovery basis so the fees for representation are quite low and if you can't afford them we'll work with you to come up with a fee which suits your budget. Small rights holders would pay around $500 per year (or $50 per month), Mid sized rights holder companies would pay around $1000 per year (or $100 per month) and large rights holders would pay around $3500 per year or ($350 per month).

This is very expensive and labor intensive work, we need to charge fees to recover the costs of what we are doing.

Representation is non exclusive. Becoming represented by Copy Control should not impact any other relationships you have with DMCA agents, legal services, attorneys or investigators. We are a complimentary service to all of these types of organisations.

If you have any questions about becoming represented by us please email me at members -at- copycontrol.org

If you're finally succeding to expose advertisers of piracy sites to prosecution you will be less popular in GFY.

There's a lot of cam, dating programs in GFY, including some with paid advertising banners in GFY or running contests here, who are doing direct b2b prepaid advertising spot deals with sites made 50% or more of so called stolen content. Either in file locker or flash player streaming formats, plus a few traffic and banner ad networks and brokers who trade in ads around embeddings of those same content (esp. streaming one in tubes).
I know this since I purchased traffic in same places and dealt with same sellers, who normally told me who they sold to and in what terms.

Just saying.

Time for those businesses to clean up their act and unwind from their dealings with pirates.

youtube.com

search for "full movie"=14.000.000 results

other people in the film industry post shit on youtube and directly support and advertise it

That's many full movies in youtube but is is still 0.001% of the total content in the site. Compete with a site where full movie is 80% of total content.

email sent :thumbsup

replied.

50 pirates :)

My God, are anonymous nicks still trying (and failing miserably) to derail this? LOL Sad, sad, sad.

Are you attending the January show(s) in Vegas?

No. Travel for this project has been limited to activities or meetings directly related to enforcement. There is simply not the funding available to be able to attend trade shows.

"Derail" = asking why "anti piracy" crusaders do nothing about the biggest stolen content sites out there. Funny. Do you post to tubes, DWB?

I'd like to bust this myth wide open.

Nobody who says tubes are the biggest problem can back it up with statistics.

We ask rights holders to send us copies of their DMCA notices, I've repeated it many many times in several threads as have others, it's easy send copies of DMCA notices to [email protected]

Of the thousand or so we currently receive a day, just under 5% relate to tubes. Torrents and file lockers make up the lions share, followed by forums, self hosted websites and blogs.

We have explained many times why we started with file lockers, based on what we know to be true now it was the right choice to start with. We have also made it clear we are expanding our efforts, this is why we are asking rights holders to become represented.

Without rights holders standing up and being counted piracy will just continue, we have shown that we have the dedication and tenacity to go after pirates in a comprehensive, methodical and effective manner. With more rights holders on board we will be able to do more and more.

However , helterskelter808, if you can back up your claims with facts I'd be glad to hear them. I really do wonder where a person who has not contributed to our efforts, in any way shape or form, has the standing to be able to dictate to a non profit, volunteer based effort what they should be doing.

So you're saying it's a myth that tube sites contain enormous amounts of stolen content. Interesting. I'd love to see you "back that up with statistics".

OTOH, you can demonstrate with statistics that tube sites are drastically more popular than file lockers and porn piracy forums.

No that's not what I said, I said that just under 5% of DMCA notices we receive copies of relate to tubes. I will also say that any analysis of the information contained in one of the largest DMCA repositories on the planet tubes account for a very small percentage of overall piracy.

Your assertion is that tubes are "the biggest stolen content sites out there". This is factually wrong, there is no evidence to support it and you have not provided any evidence to support it. You made it up based on assumption, if you didn't make it up based on an assumption them please explain your resoning.

Saying that tubes are more popular is not the same as saying tubes are a bigger piracy problem. Let me explain why, most of the big tubes own or license significant amounts of content, only a portion of the content may be infringing, whereas almost all content on file lockers is infringing. So on a per visit basis the amount of infringing content watched on a tube is far smaller than the amount of infringing content downloaded from a file locker.

xhamster.com is approximately the 45th most visited site according to Alexa, Blogger is below it at approximately 48th. However Blogger attracts many more takedown notices than xhamster.

Tube sites are more popular, no doubt about it, but that does not in and of itself make them any more infringing than a file locker of any reasonable size.

this better be good...

Yes, you *try* to derail the thread by asking the same old tired questions over and over and over again, knowing you're going to get the same answer. I'm pretty sure there is a word for that, doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

I personally don't have a lot of piracy issues with tubes anymore unless it's older DVD rips. Tubes are VERY manageable. Some of our new sites have gone over two years without a single video showing up on a tube. I call that success. While they get the most eyes, I don't believe they are the biggest source of stolen content. That doesn't mean they are not a problem, because they are, but I have reason to believe they will be dealt with when the time comes. But that time is not today and for reasons that may or may not be known to you.

Perhaps you don't fully grasp the full size of the file locker world, but it is beyond the scope of anything most people ever imagined. They simply don't get top Google rankings like the tubes do, but they host a lot more pirated content and it's more difficult to keep it removed. They never delete the source files and only rename them. File lockers should continue to be the #1 priority. Then move to tubes after the lockers are dealt with.

A plan without a focus is a failed plan. Maybe a lack of focus is what causes so many of you to fail in your job and life, but those with a clear focus usually succeed.

No, I don't. And I think it's weak to cry about 'derailing' threads because you don't like the question, especially when the question is related. My last post here was days ago. I wasn't going to post again until you chose to resurrect the subject of "derailing", days later.

As I said, that there are no tubes in the mainstream world of the same kind as those in adult suggests it is possible to kill off tubes, and the only reason they proliferate in adult is because nobody seriously tries to stop them and/or people actively support them.

With file lockers it seems to be a neverending battle, and aside from the fact that tubes are far more popular than file lockers, I think tubes are more likely to be used by (less tech savvy, or less prepared to jump through hoops) people who might otherwise pay for (the convenience of easily accessible) porn.

I'm not taking anything away from the attacks on file lockers, in fact I admire that people are actually doing something rather than just complaing about it. I have just always wondered, since 'everyone' talks about tubes being the #1 scourge, why nothing is ever really done to stop them.

Okay, fair enough.

It's simple, despite what myth and urban legend has spawned, cold hard numbers show that a site like PlanetSuzy.org is more harmful than xhamster.com in both the quantity of infringing content requested to be removed by rights holders and the economic impact of the piracy.

I posted a comparison of PlanetSuzy and XHamster which you can read here.

Forums and File Lockers are a much larger problem than tubes, by an order of magnitude so great that the numbers are just mind blowing.

When I started working against file lockers I had only basic models of where I thought the worst piracy was, now my models are more sophisticated I am very confident in saying that the problem of tubes is over-stated my most people - however they are still an issue that we have to address and we will over time.

There are NO MONEY in porn, piracy is a mith, it doesn't exist. Everything is a midnight summer dream.

Sorry, but the numbers in that post for "losses" are not "mind blowing", they are simply made up.

It's absurd to say that 1/3 (of what? how many people? whatever number it's drastically less than tubes) would have paid $19 for something they downloaded, rather than finding something else for free. How do you know this? You don't, of course. It's just as likely that nobody would have otherwise paid, therefore the losses are zero.

Trying to claim that almost $6 BILLION is lost from adult in the space of a year because of one site is absolute nonsense. Same kind of ridiculous over-inflation of "losses" the movie and music industries do, which is why many people don't take them seriously.

good job AK

The numbers are extrapolated but definitely not made up, in fact they're pretty conservative. Much of the content available on PlanetSuzy costs more than $19 retail. However the mean average for content we have sampled from the site is on the high side of $19.

Research by IDC, Melbourne University Law Dept, RMIT University Media Department and a number of other institutions have all come to conclusions about the percentage of people who would buy content if no piracy source for that content was available.

Many use the 33% model. The basis of the model is that one third of people acquiring content would buy it if no piracy option was available to obtain the content.

I didn't mention adult, the figure is overall, PlanetSuzy has links to downloads of mainstream content including music, tv shows, movies and software.

Then it's reasonable to assume that 1/3 of the tens of millions of people who visit tube sites would also pay for the content they are currently getting for free.

Most content on the largest tubes sites is appropriately owned or licensed by the site, or is placed there by content owners as a form of promotion, only a small percentage of content on the large tubes is copyright infringing.

Conversely most of the content linked to from PlanetSuzy.com is not appropriately owned or licensed and has not been placed there by content owners.

From an anti piracy point of view, tubes are a very small problem compared to forums, file lockers and torrents.

Now that we have helterskelter808 and his attempt to derail this thread out of the way, we are still calling on rights holders to become represented.

I am asking rights holders to become represented by us so we can progress and widen our efforts. We need to polish off the file locker eco system however to be successful we need rights holders to stand up and be counted.

What we do is actively enforce your rights by working with web hosting companies, payment processing companies, banks, card associations, advertising networks and other service providers to have them stop working with the pirates and their sites.

Where organisations are un-cooperative we have a number of legal strategies that we employ to gain compliance.

We also liaise with law enforcement agencies and other government agencies to mitigate piracy on your behalf.

To get your company , brand or content represented by Copy Control we ask that you fill out this simple form.

http://copycontrol.org/get-represented/

once you fill out this form I will send you a copy of our rights-holder representation agreement for you to sign and return back to us.

you can also read about what representation will do for you at

http://copycontrol.org/services/

We work on a cost recovery basis so the fees for representation are quite low and if you can't afford them we'll work with you to come up with a fee which suits your budget. Small rights holders would pay around $500 per year (or $50 per month), Mid sized rights holder companies would pay around $1000 per year (or $100 per month) and large rights holders would pay around $3500 per year or ($350 per month).

I want to stress that if you are a small business or are finding cash flow tight that we will work with you to get you represented.

This is very expensive and labor intensive work, we need to charge fees to recover the costs of what we are doing, however we will reduce fees for small content owners or those with financial constraints.

Representation is non exclusive. Becoming represented by Copy Control should not impact any other relationships you have with DMCA agents, legal services, attorneys or investigators. We are a complimentary service to all of these types of organisations.

If you have any questions about becoming represented by us please email me at members -at- copycontrol.org

It is without a doubt a long battle. But to be honest, the fight really just started. Watching them losing billing, one at a time, and seeing more and more billing companies working with Copy Control, there is light at the end of the tunnel.

However, online piracy as a whole will continue to be a never ending battle UNTIL advertisers are held responsible, and/or billing companies all get on the same page. Then it's over for those who profit from piracy, which is most of them. Very few will continue when they are unable to make any money doing it.

world hunger is an even bigger problem. until AK does anything about that, his war against file lockers is useless.

I know very wealthy guys (owned a BMW) who download only pirated stuff.

Bump for more agreements.
http://copycontrol.org/get-represented/

AK we're with you and we'll sign the agreement today.

Btw Great job! :thumbsup

Everyone who has filled out the application form should have received copies of their representation agreements by now.

For those that haven't please consider signing up to become represented by us.

To get your company , brand or content represented by Copy Control we ask that you fill out this simple form.

http://copycontrol.org/get-represented/

once you fill out this form I will send you a copy of our rights-holder representation agreement for you to sign and return back to us.

you can also read about what representation will do for you at

http://copycontrol.org/services/

We work on a cost recovery basis so the fees for representation are quite low and if you can't afford them we'll work with you to come up with a fee which suits your budget. Small rights holders would pay around $500 per year (or $50 per month), Mid sized rights holder companies would pay around $1000 per year (or $100 per month) and large rights holders would pay around $3500 per year or ($350 per month).

I want to stress that if you are a small business or are finding cash flow tight that we will work with you to get you represented.

looks good!

Can you back this up with stats or are you just making assumptions?

Google transparency report, how many times is he going to have to repeat this?

Top spots all taken by torrents and filelockers, 6 pages in still can't find a tube. when it comes to % of indexed links infringing filelockers like rapidgator, ryushare, extabit, etc. are undisputed champions with up to 50%.





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Did you ever stop to think that maybe the numbers are not a true reflection of copyright material?

Take http://www.hardsextube.com/ for example. 2006 pages worth of videos. 40 videos per pages. That is 80,240 videos. Realistically, how is a content owner supposed to be able to spot their copyrighted work within a mix of 80,000 videos?

Imagine you were trying to find your videos on xvideos.com which has 766,900. You might spot one or two videos here and there but the majority of the infringements will go unnoticed because it is next to impossible to find stolen content without it being specifically branded as the site/person/title that was used when it was stolen.

Shesh, are you guys really that stupid?

Riiight...

surveys are made with 2000 participants but google's over 12 MILLION URL's removed are not representative? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Hardsextube has 80,240 videos? great. To give you an "order of grandeur" rapidgator has had 118,428 links removed in the last month alone more than your estimated total videos on hst. :2 cents:

Shesh, are you really that blind you can't read simple stats?