But it's Obama , it doesn't matter the market doubled since he has been in.

3 people, 300,000 people, 300 million people.

When it comes down to the math, there really isn't much of a difference. They are numbers. If those three people spend more than 250% of what they earn, they will be just as fucked as 300,000, or 300 million.

i know some of you are older than 18 as well - but i look at the stock market in longer terms than on a daily or weekly basis.

i dont do day trade, therefore little throwbacks dont scare me

I am not predicting DOOM..,I only said, I thought it was the BOYS reminding the POTUS that he is not the one with the ultimate power. Lighten up.

I find it hard to believe that business people are this short sighted -- the president changes every four years like clockwork. Something is ALWAYS changing yet business people are holding back on investment because they want 'stability'? I find that to be incredibly short sighted.

I was recently at a speech by a local small(-ish) businessman and he pointed out that he'd been in business for 50 years and tried to grow his business every year no matter what while administrations have come and gone.

Minte - how long have you been running your thing and how long do you plan to? Certainly more than 4 years. So how can you let something as short a a presidential administration dictate your plans?

You say you aren't going to make investments for 4 years, who are you punishing besides yourself? I respect you as a businessman but your widget factory doesn't make you John Galt.

I'm confused. I thought it was because we had 300 million people.

The number of people does matter. Infrastructure , services, education, protection, regulation ( I know it's bad until someone you love dies from a lack of) more people it all costs more money.

i am in an excellent mood - no worries - and it hasnt anything to do with the elections :)

if someone would ask me if i was doing better than 4 years ago my answer would be "HELL YES!"

you know what really helps me: to live in a country where i dont understand the language and therefore give a shit about the local government and politics.

my tax accountant makes sure we follow the laws and we're doing better than ever

#winning :pimp

First off, I never said I would not invest for four years. I said my company could lose money for 4 years. I also said that for the first year I would invest cautiously. Just like I have for the last 4 years.

I have been in business more than 30 years. I don't have any plans on retiring, ever.
I like my job. When there are unknown expenses looming and no one can tell you how much it will cost, no businessman that is going to last, lays all his cash down on RED and crosses his fingers,closes his eyes and prays..

What do you see happening when the government runs out of money and there is no one left on earth that will lend us anything? Keep in mind,that the first people that will feel it is those least able to absorb it. The 47% When the end of the month rolls around those assistance checks simply won't be there. The food stamps won't be there either.

What then?

You know the gov is not going to run out of money lets not be silly.

Some quick fact checking tells me that California has twice as many illegals as Maryland has population... Meaning, Maryland has a population of five million while California has over ten million illegals living here.

So now you are telling us that we need to elect our President based on what businesses in Europe want?

Why, because they will just print more?

i would appreciate that, thanks!

But yet you think Romney was going to come on board and drop taxes for everyone while reducing the deficit while fixing healthcare?

That's called magic.

So who won the Election? :D

No - reread the thread

No because revenue is always coming in . It will never just stop, now I know people like minte fantasize about that but it ain't happening.

Damn, read the thread! I was up at 4am,,flew a shitty flight to Saginaw had a 3 hour meeting and then had a shittier flight home. Yet you are the one sounding kind of mental here. READ THE DAMN THREAD!!

fixed it for you..

Why because its the truth. You get off on the idea of it all failing. Your guy lost now you want them all to see the error of their ways because you think you know better.

i think it's you who needs to lighten up - maybe this helps :winkwink:

If the revenue does not match the income [at least] then your logic is flawed.

I never get tired of this.

Never.

Fuck you Tony. I am tired of your stupid attack Minte BS. I came on this evening with a light humor post about the market. And from that I now fantasize about seeing the country fail. Again,, Fuck you.

And you're right,,I know a helluva lot better than you will ever know.

What is the world coming to - I agree with Jimmy 3 Way.

According to Minte it's bad to invest in the future under Obama. At the same time, he expanded his business with a new plant. Go figure.

Businesses don't look at who is in the White House and make business decisions based on this. Even if they did it wouldn't matter much; Nearly half of the population is from one party or the other so at any given time half of the business world wouldn't be interested in growing or expanding.

My wife owns a business which is based on hundreds of small customers who sign up for weekly or monthly training sessions on an hourly basis. If thirty new people suddenly sign up we hire a new instructor to handle the work load - We don't say "The White House is anti business so we'll turn down the new clients". That's fucking retarded.

yeah, they are saying they know they can only play reindeer games while republicans are in charge.

Ww2 113 percent of GDP , Japan in 2010 228 percent of GDP . No it's not flawed , I don't get off on the idea of it all failing.

Perhaps..but today we got a late start because of fog and had to fly across Lake Michigan,which I don't like doing. When you fly over the lake you need to be at least 11,000 ft and the cells don't get reception.

Maybe next trip I will try the reindeer.

Why do you have to get nasty? You were the one talking about how the market was a result of Obama and whats going to happen when the money runs out. Ive never been nasty to you.

it works because there is someone still willing to finance it... one day that may dry up, and when that happens shit will hit the fan...:2 cents:

First off, I never said I would not invest for four years. I said my company could lose money for 4 years. I also said that for the first year I would invest cautiously. Just like I have for the last 4 years.

I have been in business more than 30 years. I don't have any plans on retiring, ever.
I like my job. When there are unknown expenses looming and no one can tell you how much it will cost, no businessman that is going to last, lays all his cash down on RED and crosses his fingers,closes his eyes and prays..

READ THIS...

At the end of the day ,i think this is a great country flawed but great and still with all the bullshit one of the most solid investments in the world.

Any serious business person invest CAUTIOUSLY all the time ... Business is not a crap table ...
You research, compile, evaluate return, tendancy, competition, demand .. and once all the T are crossed out you invest ...:2 cents:

Seems Obama is good for you, as if he would have been defeated, you would have invested carelessly ...

:2 cents:

If anyone told me to my face that I dream about the country failing, one of us would be laying on the floor. If you want to insult me to the highest degree you just did.

You and Rochard go on and on. You don't read the thread and then go into attack mode.
I didn't start this thread. He thought it would be cute to dig me because I will be again paying far more than my share of tax.

I think you are preaching to the choir.

Well Minte that's what you talk about. If I upset you Im sorry and I wont get into these going back and forth. Life is too short. And I really dont get nasty and people feel the need to get very nasty with me. This is all bullshit at the end of the day.

My point/questions was really, aren't there ALWAYS unknown expenses looming?

whoa whoa...first time i have seen Minte loose his cool.
post some car pics Minte.
btw i have not read the thread very carefully.
As a Canadian i try to stay out of US political threads these days, never makes me any friends. Instead i will try and send jedi mind control messages to our CDN leaders.

This is so indicative of what I've been seeing that last few years in this country. Successful people being attacked because they are successful.

It makes zero sense to me.

People used to strive to be rich. Now it seems that everywhere you go there are a pack of folks attacking anybody who has made any money.

This country is really starting to get weird...Liberals love the govt., people want to give more of their hard earned money to crooked politicians in Washington, and Paul Markham has all the answers.

Not the country I grew up in . (talking about the people living in it and the attitudes they have toward WORK and success)

Sure there are. Cost of goods go up and down. Energy costs go up and down. Those are factored in when jobs are quoted and priced. Labor costs only go down if you are forced to reduce the workforce. Over the years, margins have gone down. There isn't a lot of room for errors. On average, businesses like mine work on less than a 10% margin.

If someone would tell me, what my insurance costs will be in 24 months, we can plan for that. If someone would tell us that they are going to take away the rapid depreciation deduction on capital equipment we could plan for that.

This is the problem. There are tax increases...how much? There is Obamacare,how much? We already spend on average $11,000 annually per employee just on health insurance. Then there is workcomp insurance,dental,life and 401K. That 10% doesn't leave much room.

No one is being attacked for being successful. I have a great respect for success.

A lot of clueless people in this thread. Sad. Very fucking sad.

I can understand people feeling outrage when someone avoids their fair share of taxes (a billionaire paying a lower percentage than his secretary). However, it is nonsensical to be gloating about someone else having a bigger tax bill. People in a position to help society should be doing so, and people being helped by society ought to be awfully respectful of anyone paying more to the benefit of others. It is retarded that somewhere along the way many wealthy people stopped caring about the poor and many poor people stopped respecting the wealthy people who do care about the poor. Those notions are tied to each other...as are we all.

Well you've got me there. I only employ Russian code monkeys that I pay under the table.

agree...