On day one the GOP made a concerted effort to obstruct every move Obama made, including the introduction of Republican ideas, like Romney Care.

If Romney wins, having used obstruction as a political tool, then count on the Dems doing the same in retaliation.

If Obama wins things may not be much better, but at least the GOP's NUMBER ONE MISSION to make Obama a one term president will have failed, so maybe they will wake the fuck up.

And by the way, Romney was a terrible governor in Mass, and did NOT get ANYTHING passed on a bi-partisan measure, except Romney Care, so his supposed "across-the-aisle" track record has no credibility whatsoever.

amen brother

some people are saying its the rights fault for not working with obama, others say its obama's fault for not working with the right...well what is it?

probably a bit of both but it would make sense for the republicans in congress to refuse to work with obama at all knowing that without their support on certain things, he would be bound to fail.

Nope, quit that several years ago when I realized it was a whore's market (no pun intended). :)

They are both at fault.

However, only one of them is the President. :winkwink:

Great men are reduced to nothing when nobody wants to work with them. Which begs the question? were they really great men?

Can you be more specific here?

You have to pay licensing fees and get permits. Which ones of those are from the federal government? Which ones of these fees are set by the White House or for that matter Congress? I pay a few licensing fees, those are state and county, and also got hit with a new permit requirement but that was a city thing.

And you do understand that Romney is increasing federal revenue by adding onto licensing fees and cutting services, right? If you bitch about your freeways now, just imagine what happens when all federal money dries up so we can give our military trillions it is not asking for.

According to Mitch McConnell "The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president." That is not the way our Democracy is intended to work. Republicans decided to attempt to gridlock every initiative (good or bad) rather than governing responsibly by blocking the initiatives they disagree with and compromising on ones that were good for the nation.

Obama deserves blame for failing to get the blue dogs in line to create true single payer universal healthcare while the Democrats controlled Congress early in his Presidency. That was without a doubt his biggest failure. Getting Republican obstructionists to work with him later on when their primary goal was for his term to end, not for the country to move forward, is much more the failing of the GOP than anyone else.

A laundry list of unconstitutional legislation via signing statements (the way GWB went about governing) is not better. It is far worse.:2 cents:

Romney was the KING of "fees" in Mass - it allowed him to suck in some revenue money as governor, out of one side of his face, while maintaining that he wasn't raising taxes, on the other side of his face.

Obama had a super majority for 24 days, and then it was filibuster city from then on.

Single payer would have made the most sense, but it never had a chance. Fuck-faced nitwits like this douche bag made sure of it...

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If Obama gets voted out in 2 weeks we will clearly have answered that question.

He didn't even have it for 24 days. He had to twist a lot of democrat arms and make sweet closed door deals to get them to go along.

He's never even gotten the Democrats to vote for his budgets. Hasn't had one budget in his term. Pathetic.

They are better off now than they were 4 years ago.

BECAUSE of all the money pumped into the system making everything rosy. It's impossible to swell a household with that money without them thinking it's all fine.

Yes the problem will hit US ALL, when we get the next collapse and when they finally realise they can't keep spending and cutting taxes.

All these guys are worried about is could they afford to the latest iPhone or similar gadget.

This is the real world and what Governments all over it face.

A man in a Government office is earning $15,000 a year. He costs double that, office, equipment, medical, etc. Total $30,000. He get's fired to cut the borrowing. So he can't be left to starve and he goes on welfare at $10,000 total costs. Government has saved $20,000 and borrows less.

$20,000 less being spent in the country. Shops, etc.

$20,000 saves and if the Government fires 1,000 of them it save $20,000,000. The problem is it needs to save $20 billion. So it needs to sack 1,000,000.

Shit the problem is trillions. :Oh crap

With so much to accurately complain about, it always amazes me that people choose to complain about made up nonsense instead. There are fantastic reasons not to vote for Obama, and powerful reasons not to vote for Romney. Our electorate is so pathetic that even when they want to make an informed decision they can't separate the real significant issues from the idiotic tinfoil hat stupidity. That is the biggest shame of the entire process.

That's kind of my point. He's saying that Obama is "unfriendly to small business" but the truth is Romney is going to lower the deficit while increasing money for the military by closing loopholes and obviously by what he did in Mass - raising the fees for everything.

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Romney has said he will raise military spending by two trillion. Obama think Drones are awesome!

Do Americans think military money doesn't count? If Romney is elected where will this 2 trillion dollars in spending come from? How can you lower taxes, raise military spending, and cut a deficit? If you build more ships for the navy what will be the net yearly cost of having those ships deployed? Does Obama think he can fly around the world dropping bombs and there will be no consequence?

I love how Americans felt the last debate wasn't important then they bitch about government spending, here is what the government spends on "security"

$531 billion per year base
$115-billion for overseas contingency operations
$125-billion on 22 million veterans
$49-billion for separate retirement funds and sundry activities
$42-billion on homeland security
$22-billion for foreign military sales and aid
$18-billion broadly on nuclear programs
$58-billion interest

total: $960 billion, $2.63 billion a day

And Solyndra is only news because they didn't get a military contract, do you know how many companies have wasted billions of tax payer dollars on failed war technology.

Presidents don't change anything. when you finally realize that your head will finally be completely out of your cornholio

You didn't read what he said. You didn't actually pay out that 250k in taxes.. You reinvested it back into your company to get the tax credit, instead of hiding it in some Caribbean bank or some hedge fund. This spurs growth for the economy as a whole and was one of the reasons it grew so much under Clinton.

Back then I was running a pretty large landscaping company that I started when I was still in high school. My parents owned a large commercial cleaning company as well as a temp service. I didn't pay anymore in taxes under Clinton because I'd buy a new piece of equipment or something to expand the business.

This is money that went right back into the economy. It's what everyone did.

Much yes.

And the people the Government employ don't spend any money. :1orglaugh

Robbie's approach is like so many peoples, in so many countries, pure greed.

Money that goes into the Government, doesn't disappear. It goes out again and floods across the country. It goes into so many things and so many peoples pockets, including his. INCLUDING the money borrowed.

Cutting taxes and cutting spending doesn't work to get an economy back on it's feet. Robbie spending $100 a week more in his shops, will mean someone else spending $100 less. His cuts in spending and taxes created nothing. Romney can't do it and neither can Obama.

To get an economy back on it's feet needs investment in new home produced products. Not people spending more on imported goods. Which is what will result from more tax cuts.

The way out of this mess is more taxes, not less. Sales tax so everyone pays. And import taxes. So imported goods with foreign labour help support the country they are made in. AND income taxes raised. Yes, you ran up a huge debt, it's time to start paying it back.

Cutting spending = cutting jobs. Which means less people buying and it trickles down and up.

And the debt stays the same, unless you want the next Great Depression to hit the world. Look into the real reasons it happened. The Stock Market crash was only one part.

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Yes much better. 2008-2009 was a fucking joke :(

The President does not set the budget. He submits something that is considered a wish list and any voting on it is symbolic and irrelevant.

It is the job of Congress only to decide how federal tax dollars are being spent. All the President can do is make requests and submit what he hopes to get for his own branch of government as well as other things.

This does a good job of breaking it down and explaining how Romney's statement was technically right but how it doesn't mean anything at all:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...d-pass-budget/

I've never bought anything that I didn't need just to use it as a write-off.

No matter what under that scenario..your money is still gone and you're that much poorer when it's gone.

I buy supplies, computers, phones, etc. out of necessity to operate every day. And I write off everything I can. Why on earth would people go out of their way to buy a bunch of stuff they might not need to get a write-off? That's not good business. And it's un-American to even think of ways to force people to buy shit they don't need.

I'd rather spend my money on a nice vacation for my family. Or a new car. Or some nice clothes. It doesn't matter how I spend it...it still goes into the economy and the federal govt career politicians in Washington, D.C. never have to get involved or get their greedy hands on MY money.

A nice vacation in the US, a US made car, US made clothes?

Which is exactly what the people the Government employ spend their money on.

Maybe Robbie is like many Americans and their anti taxes stand comes from pre War of Independence. When much of the taxes went to Great Britain.In 2012 it goes to Washington and from there to here.

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To keep people working, support the system around you.

Do some just want all that stopped so they can buy more clothes, cars and holidays?

And stop others who benefit from the spending doing the same. They might even stop buying porn memberships.

Yes, examine where the spending is done, yes cut where you can. But that cut will take money out of another persons pocket and he might be buying porn online.

It's 2012 not 1773.

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Paul you are such an obvious troll.

If you enjoy sending your hard earned money to a bunch of lifetime politicians and bureaucrats then be my guest. I believe that people working REAL jobs in the private sector can spend their money in that same private sector and the economy will do great. Always has.

Yes I am

Yes IT always did. Now it means people buying imported goods.

It would be great if we could turn the clocks back to a time when the Third World didn't produce so much for the First.

We have to accept the fact the World has changed and the odds of changing it back are slim at best. Let the First World stay up front in the technology race and produce the goods workers in a Third World sweat shop can't. Yes bring back what jobs we can.

Those that produce the high value goods earning high waged have to accept not everyone can do this and pay for those who can't to work in support industries. Some of it will be in Malls and some in Public sector. Or are you saying just cut all those working in public sector adrift?

Which is where you send your tax money today. Politicians spend it in the US. They don't keep it.

So, what did you have that is now under control or cured?