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Zuzana Designs 10-23-2012 07:43 PM

I set personal and financial goals every year so I can challenge myself. I’m doing better both personally and financially then I was 4 years ago for sure. My family and businesses are doing wonderful. I have to work a little hard but that’s what life is all about. Working harder now so you can relax later. We are all blessed to have the ability to work online.

Relentless 10-23-2012 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 19270616)
The topic seemed like you were asking a "weighted" question and with your past posting at mind, with the dislike of Obama it of course aimed at him.

Your reading comprehension of my prior posts has also failed you.

96ukssob 10-23-2012 09:03 PM

Fuck no, I wish I could go back 4 years ago!

Rob 10-23-2012 09:13 PM

No, I'm not. I've felt the crunch as a "small business owner". It has been literally impossible to run my finances, taxes, etc. through Quickbooks like I used to after hours. I had to hire a part-time accountant to keep my books in order, and them mother fuckers aren't cheap! After looking at last quarter's P&L statement, I paid more taxes, permitting fees, and licensing fees than I've ever paid since being in business.

Obama doesn't care about small businesses, which employ over 60% of the work force. Instead he would rather tax the rich to pay subsidies to the people his policies have crippled (middle class - SB owners). And that makes us dependent on the government for assistance. My taxes have risen over 18% and my profits have dropped over 35% since Obama has been in office. I only have 8 employees, but I'm feeling the crunch and since I had to cut back, they're feeling it as well. Do the math and tell me how much longer I can stay in business? I'm PAYING to stay in business and keeping people employed. How fucked up is that?!?!

Just my :2 cents:

Rob 10-23-2012 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zuzana Designs (Post 19270737)
I set personal and financial goals every year so I can challenge myself. I?m doing better both personally and financially then I was 4 years ago for sure. My family and businesses are doing wonderful. I have to work a little hard but that?s what life is all about. Working harder now so you can relax later. We are all blessed to have the ability to work online.

Zuzana, it's nice to see that you're still doing well. You were always top of your craft, even after 10 years. Kudos! And I'm glad to hear that you set plans and goals for yourself - both financially and personally. Not too many people have the foresight to do that.

I also had an "end game" in place and projected numbers where I could retire comfortably and travel the world. It was working fine until I had to dip into that reserve to pay my employees, pay my bills (personal and business), etc. I'm not sure if you're feeling the same pressure, but it's there and I has royally kicked me in the nuggets. I'm happy to hear you're doing well and I mean that in all sincerity.

SmutHammer 10-23-2012 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Brujah (Post 19270690)
If you're not better off than you were 4 years ago, it's not your fault. It's Obama's fault. You're an idiot, Ed.

I must be, Since I'm making 4x's less than I did four years ago. All because of cuts Obama has made, and If he is re-elected I can expect to make another 4x's less than I do now. I guess this isn't the right place to ask that question. since it is online adult I would expect people are making much less than four years ago, But that blame would fall on Manwin.

I doubt half the people posting here have an actual business in the USA making 100K+ a year with employee's and are paying taxes.

Robbie 10-23-2012 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Hammer (Post 19270919)

I doubt half the people posting here have an actual business in the USA making 100K+ a year with employee's and are paying taxes.

"half"
You are giving these guys a lot of credit they don't deserve. lol

A few dozen of us own companies and make real money. The rest on here are either employees or not even in this business.

SmutHammer 10-23-2012 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 19270925)
"half"
You are giving these guys a lot of credit they don't deserve. lol

A few dozen of us own companies and make real money. The rest on here are either employees or not even in this business.

yeah, you can pretty much tell from the responses.

epitome 10-23-2012 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob (Post 19270882)
No, I'm not. I've felt the crunch as a "small business owner". It has been literally impossible to run my finances, taxes, etc. through Quickbooks like I used to after hours. I had to hire a part-time accountant to keep my books in order, and them mother fuckers aren't cheap! After looking at last quarter's P&L statement, I paid more taxes, permitting fees, and licensing fees than I've ever paid since being in business.

Obama doesn't care about small businesses, which employ over 60% of the work force. Instead he would rather tax the rich to pay subsidies to the people his policies have crippled (middle class - SB owners). And that makes us dependent on the government for assistance. My taxes have risen over 18% and my profits have dropped over 35% since Obama has been in office. I only have 8 employees, but I'm feeling the crunch and since I had to cut back, they're feeling it as well. Do the math and tell me how much longer I can stay in business? I'm PAYING to stay in business and keeping people employed. How fucked up is that?!?!

Just my :2 cents:

Sounds like you were under paying before and hired someone that knows how to do it right. There are millions of businesses left not in the same predicament as you. Sounds like you need to figure out something soon but it has nothing to do with Obama.

SmutHammer 10-23-2012 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by epitome (Post 19270948)
Sounds like you were under paying before and hired someone that knows how to do it right. There are millions of businesses left not in the same predicament as you. Sounds like you need to figure out something soon but it has nothing to do with Obama.

If he is elected for a second term and you have to pay 55% taxes from your business I'm sure that will have nothing to do with Obama either.

ThunderBalls 10-23-2012 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Hammer (Post 19270971)
If he is elected for a second term and you have to pay 55% taxes from your business I'm sure that will have nothing to do with Obama either.


Obama wants to go back to the Clinton tax rates for people over 250k. Remember the time when we had the biggest economic boom in history? Higher tax rates gets money flowing back into the economy, right now companies are sitting on more money than ever before because of the historically low tax rates. If you have a company thats profiting half million a year and you're faced with either paying 200k in taxes or investing that money back into your company what are you going to choose?

Brujah 10-23-2012 11:06 PM

Ed, Rob, explain how an Obama policy has increased your overhead 400%. Which policy and when did it go in effect? Tell us how your taxes have increased 18%, causing you to yield 60% less profit. How you're paying more as a percentage today than you ever have since being in business.

Robbie 10-23-2012 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ThunderBalls (Post 19271035)
Obama wants to go back to the Clinton tax rates for people over 250k. Remember the time when we had the biggest economic boom in history? Higher tax rates gets money flowing back into the economy,

Those were the years of the Internet bubble

And saying that giving your money to bureaucrats in Washington D.C. "gets money flowing back into the economy" is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.

People spending their own money is what stimulates the economy.

What do you do for a living anyway? Are you an employee or do you actually own a business? And if so...are you in the Adult biz? Just curious where you get your ideas from.

ThunderBalls 10-23-2012 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 19271040)
Those were the years of the Internet bubble

And saying that giving your money to bureaucrats in Washington D.C. "gets money flowing back into the economy" is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.

People spending their own money is what stimulates the economy.

You must suffer from a reading comprehension problem. I said if someone is faced with investing money back into your company rather than paying taxes they choose the former. They are spending their own money on advertising, equipment, payroll instead of paying taxes. If you ever made over the 300k range you would realize this.

Robbie 10-23-2012 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ThunderBalls (Post 19271060)
You must suffer from a reading comprehension problem. I said if someone is faced with investing money back into your company rather than paying taxes they choose the former. They are spending their own money on advertising, equipment, payroll instead of paying taxes. If you ever made over the 300k range you would realize this.

IF? Yes whoever you are...I have made far more than 300K. Doesn't sound like you have.

Who are you anyway? What do you own? I don't know you from your highschool "nickname" on a board. Do you run your business and sign checks as "ThunderBalls"?

And again...giving your money to bureaucrats in Washington D.C. does not stimulate the economy in any way, shape, or form.

Keep in mind that the federal govt. is currently spending 10.6 BILLION dollars per day my friend.
They spend all of Mitt Romney's net worth in less than 29 minutes. All of Warren Buffets net worth in less than 4 days.

Seems like all that govt. spending would have our economy booming by your logic.

And you want to send more money to lifetime career politicians? I can't even wrap my head around what you are thinking.

How about this...you earn whatever it is you earn. You keep as much of that money for yourself as you can. Then you spend it, save it, put it under your mattress...it's YOURS.

That's the way it's supposed to be.

epitome 10-24-2012 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Brujah (Post 19271038)
Ed, Rob, explain how an Obama policy has increased your overhead 400%. Which policy and when did it go in effect? Tell us how your taxes have increased 18%, causing you to yield 60% less profit. How you're paying more as a percentage today than you ever have since being in business.

I am waiting to hear this too as the Bush tax cuts are still in effect.

Brujah 10-24-2012 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by epitome (Post 19271086)
I am waiting to hear this too as the Bush tax cuts are still in effect.

In a way it makes sense if these conservatives are looking for an excuse other than themselves, to blame it on just that one person, the President. It must be nice that we're all so simplistic that we generally overlook past policies, past spending, career politicians in congress, etc... The President in that respect becomes the scapegoat, and I bet they continue to vote for the incumbent representative or senator, that career politician who they probably aren't even aware of his voting record but he's an (R) or a (D) so they keep choosing him anyway. They rattle on about entitlement mentality too, yet if they're not automatically successful in a declining industry, it must be the President, and has nothing at all to do with the industry or themselves.

seeme 10-24-2012 12:14 AM

6 Years ago I was better off!

loreen 10-24-2012 03:41 AM

Yes, I work less now :)

Paul Markham 10-24-2012 03:49 AM

The business income has fallen since 2008. As we stopped working then, it's no wonder.

Are we better off?

Yes, instead of pissing money up against the walls looking like a pimp. We saved it. Got more money in the bank now than 4 years ago.

SmutHammer 10-24-2012 04:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by epitome (Post 19271086)
I am waiting to hear this too as the Bush tax cuts are still in effect.

By raising taxes, and decreasing income.
Most of my money doesn't come from the adult industry.

Paul, I liked going on weekend trips spending money like a baller. Saving everything you earn isn't a good reason to work hard, I like enjoying life.

Brujah 10-24-2012 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Ed Hammer (Post 19271311)
By raising taxes, and decreasing income.

When did your taxes raise, and by what percent? Obama signed into law an extension of the Bush tax cuts for an additional 2 years, and a reduction in payroll taxes. Please be specific.

Paul Markham 10-24-2012 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Ed Hammer (Post 19271311)
Paul, I liked going on weekend trips spending money like a baller. Saving everything you earn isn't a good reason to work hard, I like enjoying life.

So do I. So does everyone. If you remain healthy, able to work and in a thriving industry, until your death. It should be fine.

If like me, you've experienced great highs and great crashes, you become wiser.

BlackCrayon 10-24-2012 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Brujah (Post 19271329)
When did your taxes raise, and by what percent? Obama signed into law an extension of the Bush tax cuts for an additional 2 years, and a reduction in payroll taxes. Please be specific.

he has no real idea. he keeps saying that "cuts" are the reason he is making less money which makes zero sense. how do "cuts" that "obama made" result in a person making less money?

SmutHammer 10-24-2012 05:28 AM

I have explained what cuts in a different thread, Actually I feel like an idiot I have already put way to much of my personal information on this adult board. I'm going to try and go back to using gfy just for my program....

Paul Markham 10-24-2012 06:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Hammer (Post 19271311)
Paul, I liked going on weekend trips spending money like a baller. Saving everything you earn isn't a good reason to work hard, I like enjoying life.

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?p=19271438#post19271438

tony286 10-24-2012 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Brujah (Post 19271038)
Ed, Rob, explain how an Obama policy has increased your overhead 400%. Which policy and when did it go in effect? Tell us how your taxes have increased 18%, causing you to yield 60% less profit. How you're paying more as a percentage today than you ever have since being in business.

They cant,he lowered their taxes multiple times.The stimulus was 40 percent tax cuts to try and make the right happy.

bronco67 10-24-2012 06:53 AM

No different, and I wouldn't blame my life/financial problems on the president anyway.

Robbie 10-24-2012 06:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 19271455)
The stimulus was 40 percent tax cuts to try and make the right happy.

Is that just leaving the Bush tax cuts or an actual tax rate cut for working people like me?

I haven't seen the amounts I pay for taxes drop percentage wise.

Rob 10-24-2012 07:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 19271455)
They cant,he lowered their taxes multiple times.The stimulus was 40 percent tax cuts to try and make the right happy.

Straight from a liberal rag to your eyes....http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_1941038.html - the truth about Obama's small business tax cuts.

And in the business I'm in, I have to get permits, pay licensing fees, etc. All of those prices have dramatically increased over the past four years. Therefore let me correct myself, the "fees" have increased 18%. But isn't a "fee" the same as a "tax" or "penalty"? We're arguing semantics.

Consumers are gun-shy to spend any money and I deal mainly B2B. If those businesses aren't making money, they're not going to come to me and it's going to kill my margins. Obama's stimulus went to bail out banks, a bankrupt auto industry, and garbage investments in alternative energy (Solyndra ring a bell?). Solyndra pretty much used the Federal government, or in laymen terms; OUR TAX DOLLARS as credit card with no limit.

It's amazing to me how blind people are at what this administration has done to this country...top to bottom. The guy is a good speaker, I'll give him that. But liberals blindly follow and defend him as if he were Christ himself. Err...sorry, Mohammad himself.

tony286 10-24-2012 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Rob (Post 19271485)
Straight from a liberal rag to your eyes....http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_1941038.html

And in the business I'm in, I have to get permits, pay licensing fees, etc. All of those prices have dramatically increased over the past four years. Therefore let me correct myself, the "fees" have increased 18%. But isn't a "fee" the same as a "tax" or "penalty"? We're arguing semantics.

You are talking about states. States have got less fed dollars because everyone wants to cut spending. Where do you think they make up the money?

GrantMercury 10-24-2012 07:04 AM

Yep. And the country as a whole certainly is. No thanks to the GOP.

Obama 2012.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9...x16go1_500.jpg

tony286 10-24-2012 07:07 AM

Funny I see no banks maybe you are confused the bank one was the one George bush did.

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Sly 10-24-2012 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Rob (Post 19271485)
Straight from a liberal rag to your eyes....http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_1941038.html - the truth about Obama's small business tax cuts.

And in the business I'm in, I have to get permits, pay licensing fees, etc. All of those prices have dramatically increased over the past four years. Therefore let me correct myself, the "fees" have increased 18%. But isn't a "fee" the same as a "tax" or "penalty"? We're arguing semantics.

Consumers are gun-shy to spend any money and I deal mainly B2B. If those businesses aren't making money, they're not going to come to me and it's going to kill my margins. Obama's stimulus went to bail out banks, a bankrupt auto industry, and garbage investments in alternative energy (Solyndra ring a bell?). Solyndra pretty much used the Federal government, or in laymen terms; OUR TAX DOLLARS as credit card with no limit.

It's amazing to me how blind people are at what this administration has done to this country...top to bottom. The guy is a good speaker, I'll give him that. But liberals blindly follow and defend him as if he were Christ himself. Err...sorry, Mohammad himself.

Are you still dealing with print products? Business cards and the like.

tony286 10-24-2012 07:07 AM

Other Provide money for 2010 census $1.0 billion
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http://projects.nytimes.com/44th_president/stimulus

Brujah 10-24-2012 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Rob (Post 19271485)
And in the business I'm in, I have to get permits, pay licensing fees, etc. All of those prices have dramatically increased over the past four years. Therefore let me correct myself, the "fees" have increased 18%. But isn't a "fee" the same as a "tax" or "penalty"? We're arguing semantics.

That article says nothing about tax increases or fees, it only suggests that small business tax cuts are actually incentives where you can be eligible for them if you're spending in certain areas like hiring additional employees, equipment, health care, etc... You've really proven nothing yet. It isn't about being blind, it's just about backing up your own claims. Guess what? Prices of most things increase year after year, like licenses and permits and fees.

Robbie 10-24-2012 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 19271492)
You are talking about states. States have got less fed dollars because everyone wants to cut spending. Where do you think they make up the money?

Come on Tony..."States have got less fed dollars because everyone wants to cut spending."

Really? Is that how it works?

States are going bankrupt because of their own bloated bureaucracy and budgets that got used to the "fat" times over the last two decades.

And I'm completely unaware that federal funds to anything are dictated by what "everyone wants"

I wonder what's going to happen if the economy doesn't turn around and the federal govt. goes completely bankrupt? Where do all those federal funds come from when there are NO federal funds left?

10.6 billion dollars a day in federal spending. Every day. Hasn't even slowed down.

You'd think with all that spending that everything would be funded up to the maximum.

Let's bring home all the troops and the deployments throughout Europe and the rest of the world. Cut that military budget down to the bone.

THEN we'd have plenty of money to hire more teachers and govt. employees and pay for everyone in the country to go to the doctor and give every homeless person a new house and any other do-gooder, bleeding heart, wealth re-distribution scheme that Democrats can think of.

I'd rather watch our govt. go bankrupt and fucking over hard working folks in that manner than to spend it on killing people worldwide and making the military industrial complex filthy rich.

10.6 billion dollars every day in federal spending. And borrowing 4 billion of that every day.
Just outrageous.

Paul Markham 10-24-2012 07:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 19271512)
Come on Tony..."States have got less fed dollars because everyone wants to cut spending."

Really? Is that how it works?

States are going bankrupt because of their own bloated bureaucracy and budgets that got used to the "fat" times over the last two decades.

And I'm completely unaware that federal funds to anything are dictated by what "everyone wants"

I wonder what's going to happen if the economy doesn't turn around and the federal govt. goes completely bankrupt? Where do all those federal funds come from when there are NO federal funds left?

10.6 billion dollars a day in federal spending. Every day. Hasn't even slowed down.

You'd think with all that spending that everything would be funded up to the maximum.

I'd rather watch our govt. go bankrupt and fucking over hard working folks in that manner than to spend it on killing people worldwide and making the military industrial complex filthy rich.

10.6 billion dollars every day in federal spending. And borrowing 4 billion of that every day.
Just outrageous.

The US economy NEEDS that money. Take it out and you have this.



The people losing their jobs, and it will be more than those in the public sector, will take to the streets. And don't say it won't happen in the US.

Quote:

Let's bring home all the troops and the deployments throughout Europe and the rest of the world. Cut that military budget down to the bone.

THEN we'd have plenty of money to hire more teachers and govt. employees and pay for everyone in the country to go to the doctor and give every homeless person a new house and any other do-gooder, bleeding heart, wealth re-distribution scheme that Democrats can think of.
And if you do that, it might be soldiers rioting. As Romney has promised to boost military spending by 2 trillion. That won't happen.

Still this thread is clearly about peoples personal wealth and getting more in their pockets. With a :321GFY attitude towards others. That's what got the world in this mess. Yes Robbie the world and the election of the Government of America effects us all. Like the problems in Greece.

Barry-xlovecam 10-24-2012 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 19271512)
[L]et's bring home all the troops and the deployments throughout Europe and the rest of the world. Cut that military budget down to the bone.

THEN we'd have plenty of money to hire more teachers and govt. employees and pay for everyone in the country to go to the doctor and give every homeless person a new house and any other do-gooder, bleeding heart, wealth re-distribution scheme that Democrats can think of.

I'd rather watch our govt. go bankrupt and fucking over hard working folks in that manner than to spend it on killing people worldwide and making the military industrial complex filthy rich.

10.6 billion dollars every day in federal spending. And borrowing 4 billion of that every day.
Just outrageous.

With the exception of the Carter Administration there hasn't been any serious cutback in military spending.

With the rise of the EU and its not so unified defense force there should be some leeway for military spending cuts in Europe. As troops are withdrawn from Afghanistan (this remains to be seen... ) the US Military can be put back to a less aggressive and more defensive posturing. The real problem is the cost of the weapons of "new technology." Maybe, the debate should be are some of these really needed?

I don't know what ever happened to the Obama Administration's high speed rail initiative. Good track and high speed trains like in Western Europe and Japan would make 200 - 500 mile trips faster by train than by air when you include the check in times and the "security screening" delays. This would be a constructive use of government funding to build new infrastructure rather than fund new wars and further or increase entitlement spending.

So, did Obama drop the high speed train initiative or is the House blocking the spending for it?

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[T]he U.S. High Speed Rail Association has estimated the price tag at $600 billion over the next 20 years, a cost that critics say the nation cannot afford. ...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...T2011020806998
How many trillions of dollars will our military spending be for the next 20 years?

There is some comprise to be made in all of this -- will we be better off in the next 20 years?

But dealing in absolutes will get us nowhere.

Minte 10-24-2012 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Brujah (Post 19271093)
In a way it makes sense if these conservatives are looking for an excuse other than themselves, to blame it on just that one person, the President. It must be nice that we're all so simplistic that we generally overlook past policies, past spending, career politicians in congress, etc... The President in that respect becomes the scapegoat, and I bet they continue to vote for the incumbent representative or senator, that career politician who they probably aren't even aware of his voting record but he's an (R) or a (D) so they keep choosing him anyway. They rattle on about entitlement mentality too, yet if they're not automatically successful in a declining industry, it must be the President, and has nothing at all to do with the industry or themselves.

I will keep this short and sweet.

The problem with this president is his severe inability to get anyone on the right to work with him. He set the gridlock in motion with Obamacare. And from that point the line in the sand was drawn.

Or maybe, its just that every republican congressman is racist.


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