Presidential Debate II : Winner?

[seeric]

Much better debate than Round 1.

[papill0n]

hey what was wrong with the 600 other nicks you've been using bro ???

[Axel_Crak]

This one goes to Barrack

The 1st win by romney was more clear... but its an Obama win tonight for sure

[seeric]

All the nicks Juicy and I had years ago were banned by the new administration. Haven't had any of them for years. Thanks for noticing though.

[SmutHammer]

Originally Posted by Axel_Crak

This one goes to Barrack

The 1st win by romney was more clear... but its an Obama win tonight for sure

I disagree. Though I think Romney was to pushy.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Ed Hammer

I disagree. Though I think Romney was to pushy.

[TheStout]

Originally Posted by Ed Hammer

I disagree. Though I think Romney was to pushy.

Obama takes this one for sure. Only conservatives disagree ;)

[seeric]

I thought Romney clearly won the first one.

This one Obama clearly won.

FWIW: Romney was a disrespectful prick to the POTUS. I read many comments on Facebook from angry people about that. No matter what he is the current POTUS and that comes with a deserved respect. I don't think Romney's brazen disrespect is going to sit well with swing voters and women for sure.

Keep in mind. I don't care about either side. I believe they are all equally bad. Some of them are just better liars and car salesmen.

My thoughts.

[SmutHammer]

I'd say it was a boring tie, except for when Obama said he called it a terrorist attack on the first day. That is a lie and a very very big important one!

[StickyGreen]

Better question is who is the loser regardless of which one of these clown puppets are in office?

Answer: The American people

[Rochard]

Obama did better but not good enough.

[Relentless]

Obama doesn't need to win the debate.
Romney needs to win big or go home.
Romney didn't win.

The smartest move of the debate was calling Romney's nonspecific economic plan a 'sketchy deal'
Watch in the coming weeks how they compare his Sketchy Deal to the historic Fair Deal of Truman's era and the New Deal of FDR's era.

They can hammer him on the 'Sketchy Deal' from now until Election Day with older voters in Florida and other swing states who remember history better than younger people who tend not to vote and tend to vote for Democrats anyway. Direct mail, local radio ads and robo calling will move the needle on that issue with older voters.

[Brad Mitchell]

I think most people will tow their party line on this debate and think their candidate did better than the other. Obama certainly did a much better job in this debate, at least by comparison to his performance in the first one. I'm curious to see how truly undecided voters respond. I'm more in that category than I am as a party voter (Obama got my vote last election) and my personal bottom line sentiment this election is that I'm not convinced the current administration is solving our issues and since a vote for the Libertarian party counts but won't effect change that I'm ready to let Romney give it a go for 4 years. If he fails, I'll fire him with my next vote.


Brad

[TheStout]

Originally Posted by Ed Hammer

I'd say it was a boring tie, except for when Obama said he called it a terrorist attack on the first day. That is a lie and a very very big important one!

In the Rose Garden the day after "no acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation."

How is that a lie?

[Axel_Crak]

Originally Posted by Ed Hammer

I disagree. Though I think Romney was to pushy.

You think Romney 1st debate win was not clear (its a general feedback hands down) or you think he won tonight or you dont understand my non-perfect english ?

Because i said obama won... but i dont know the expression : was to pushy

[Sly]

Originally Posted by Brad Mitchell

I think most people will tow their party line on this debate and think their candidate did better than the other. Obama certainly did a much better job in this debate, at least by comparison to his performance in the first one. I'm curious to see how truly undecided voters respond. I'm more in that category than I am as a party voter (Obama got my vote last election) and my personal bottom line sentiment this election is that I'm not convinced the current administration is solving our issues and since a vote for the Libertarian party counts but won't effect change that I'm ready to let Romney give it a go for 4 years. If he fails, I'll fire him with my next vote.


Brad

Sounds like you aren't that undecided.

[Dvae]

Originally Posted by seeric

I thought Romney clearly won the first one.

This one Obama clearly won.

FWIW: Romney was a disrespectful prick to the POTUS. I read many comments on Facebook from angry people about that. No matter what he is the current POTUS and that comes with a deserved respect. I don't think Romney's brazen disrespect is going to sit well with swing voters and women for sure.

Keep in mind. I don't care about either side. I believe they are all equally bad. Some of them are just better liars and car salesmen.

My thoughts.

Its nice to see you cared so much you posted.

[Axel_Crak]

Originally Posted by Brad Mitchell

I think most people will tow their party line on this debate and think their candidate did better than the other. Obama certainly did a much better job in this debate, at least by comparison to his performance in the first one. I'm curious to see how truly undecided voters respond. I'm more in that category than I am as a party voter (Obama got my vote last election) and my personal bottom line sentiment this election is that I'm not convinced the current administration is solving our issues and since a vote for the Libertarian party counts but won't effect change that I'm ready to let Romney give it a go for 4 years. If he fails, I'll fire him with my next vote.


Brad

Come on Brad, give Obama another chance

..he came in one of the worst usa crisis, he had the courage to make social plan even if the economy is still average.. he pays for old stuff from bush family... it wasnt too bad with all the circumstances

Look even the Dow Jones is not too bad... the worst of the crisis is behind

http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$IN...d=p99376856941

[SmutHammer]

Originally Posted by TheStout

In the Rose Garden the day after "no acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation."

How is that a lie?

I watched for two weeks while He blamed it on a youtube video. and they called it a spontaneous act even though it happened on 9-11... Nobody in this country is stupid enough to believe that.

Or are you talking about the "unreleased tape"

[seeric]

Not showing a preference for the candidates one way or the other doesn't discount or marginalize my participation in political process. My vote counts just as much as those who are tunnel visioned to a singular party. A lot of us are not swooned by one or the other. I used to like Obama more, but I matured and woke up. If it wears a tie and is elected, I don't trust it any more. It's a trend I'm seeing more and more.

[StickyGreen]

Originally Posted by Axel_Crak

the worst of the crisis is behind

You can't be serious... the US economy is pretty much on the verge of collapse, and now that the Federal Reserve is rolling out QE3 and introducing something like $1 BILLION A DAY into the money supply with no end in sight and talks already of QE4... the writing is basically on the wall. This is simple economics. Don't be surprised at all if we start to experience hyperinflation very soon.

[SmutHammer]

Originally Posted by Axel_Crak

You think Romney 1st debate win was not clear (its a general feedback hands down) or you think he won tonight or you dont understand my non-perfect english ?

Because i said obama won... but i dont know the expression : was to pushy

I think Romney won the first debate.

I think this debate would have been a tie if Obama didn't lie about the "terrorist thing" Since he did that I say Romney won.

I thought that this time Romney was to disrespectful to the current President. One of the big things for Romney in the first debate was that he was so respectful, and backed off when he seen that the President was down.

[TheStout]

Originally Posted by Ed Hammer

I watched for two weeks while He blamed it on a youtube video. and they called it a spontaneous act even though it happened on 9-11... Nobody in this country is stupid enough to believe that.

Or are you talking about the "unreleased tape"

I do not think you understand how quotes work. Im quoting his speech from the day after.

Here it is in a greater length, again the day after...

"No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done." 9/12/12

[Barry-xlovecam]

Romney kept touting his experience at running a small business.

A small business has annual revenues of less than $100 Million. (Today's inflation adjusted Dollars).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bain_Capital#1990s

Romney not only lies to the American people but is either lying to himself or just a fool ...

Bain, together with Thomas H. Lee Partners, acquired Experian, the consumer credit reporting business of TRW Inc., in 1996 for more than $1 billion. Formerly known as TRW's Information Systems and Services unit, Experian is one of the leading providers of credit reports on consumers and businesses in the US.[42] The company was sold to Great Universal Stores for $1.7 billion just months after being acquired

Romney reminds me of Nixon same look while he tells you a lie ...

[SmutHammer]

Originally Posted by TheStout

I do not think you understand how quotes work. Im quoting his speech from the day after.

Here it is in a greater length, again the day after...

"No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done." 9/12/12

He never called this an act of terrorism

[Axel_Crak]

Originally Posted by StickyGreen

You can't be serious... the US economy is pretty much on the verge of collapse, and now that the Federal Reserve is rolling out QE3 and introducing something like $1 BILLION A DAY into the money supply with no end in sight and talks already of QE4... the writing is basically on the wall. This is simple economics. Don't be surprised at all if we start to experience hyperinflation very soon.

Yes im serious, i didnt say it was over, but the worst is gone... for stockmarket wise hands down,,

Do you think the Dow Jones will go lower than the crash we had few years ago ? I really dont see that, look at the actual charts..

PS I dont related everything to dow Jones, but its one the my mesure because i like stock market... and if the american companies does ok, well its in the chart ! (like now)

[bronco67]

If the definition of a good debate is watching one guy hand another guy a giant chunk of his ass, then that was a good debate.

I was watching Rachel Maddow and Chris Mathews on MSNBC try to suppress their orgasm over that debate. There was an Obabma pep rally right behind Mathews, and absurdity of the whole scene made me laugh out loud. I just realized they're even more biased than FOX.

Fox doesn't hide it well either, but at least the chicks are better to look at.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Romney reminds me of Nixon same look while he tells you a lie ...

What did Nixon lie about exactly when you saw that "same look"?

I was 7 years old when Nixon became president and not quite 13 when he left office. I'm 51 years old. How old are you? 70? 80? lol

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

[INDENT]Romney kept touting his experience at running a small business.

Romney defines running a small business as loading it with debt and chop shopping it.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Brad Mitchell

I think most people will tow their party line on this debate and think their candidate did better than the other. Obama certainly did a much better job in this debate, at least by comparison to his performance in the first one. I'm curious to see how truly undecided voters respond. I'm more in that category than I am as a party voter (Obama got my vote last election) and my personal bottom line sentiment this election is that I'm not convinced the current administration is solving our issues and since a vote for the Libertarian party counts but won't effect change that I'm ready to let Romney give it a go for 4 years. If he fails, I'll fire him with my next vote.


Brad

I was a lifelong Republican until President Bush. Now I seem to be Democrat. I think it was a draw, and I think a draw for Obama is a loss.

I'm not going party line.

Obama did better, but it wasn't a clear win which makes Romney look more like a winner.

[TheStout]

Originally Posted by Ed Hammer

He never called this an act of terrorism

That is what you are calling a "very very big" lie? Reaching much?

[StickyGreen]

Originally Posted by Axel_Crak

Yes im serious, i didnt say it was over, but the worst is gone... for stockmarket wise hands down,,

Do you think the Dow Jones will go lower than the crash we had few years ago ? I really dont see that, look at the actual charts..

PS I dont related everything to dow Jones, but its one the my mesure because i like stock market... and if the american companies does ok, well its in the chart ! (like now)

You obviously have a lot to learn about economics. The level of the Dow Jones is not much of an indicator of how the overall economy is doing.

Like I said before, the Federal Reserve is printing a billion a day right now, completely destroying the dollar. We will soon experience hyperinflation, regardless of which one of these clowns are in office that you all like to argue back and forth about.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Ed Hammer

I'd say it was a boring tie, except for when Obama said he called it a terrorist attack on the first day. That is a lie and a very very big important one!

Actually he did in the rose garden like he said you can read the actual transcript.

[SmutHammer]

Originally Posted by TheStout

That is what you are calling a "very very big" lie? Reaching much?

It's not reaching, It is lying to the American people, He even went to Vegas to campaign the same day he found out.

Anyway it's boring....

I'm getting offline for the night.

[tony286]

"No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done. ". The president in the rose garden.

[TheStout]

Originally Posted by Ed Hammer

It's not reaching, It is lying to the American people, He even went to Vegas to campaign the same day he found out.

Anyway it's boring....

I'm getting offline for the night.

Show me a quote where he called it something other than an act of terror then.

Thanks

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Kudos to Candy Crowley for not letting Romney squirm his way out of the lies he made regarding Obama's response to the embassy attack in Libya, when he totally misrepresented the President's response to the issue (and while Romney sidestepped his own disloyal and disrespectful comments which he made at the time).

Here is the uncut version of what Obama said:



And here is what Romney said at that time:



The defining moment of tonight's debate:





ADG

[SmutHammer]

OMG you guys are right he said that statement on the first day! Then for weeks blamed it on a youtube video.

also he said "acts of terror" He did not call it a terrorist attack!

[StickyGreen]

Look how these fools argue over petty irrelevant bullshit.

He said she said, who said what type shit....... did Obama call the attacks terrorism the day after or didn't he? As if this actually matters somehow. You're all distracted from anything that actually matters. The bigger picture is difficult for people to focus on, they stay busy arguing over meaningless crap. Next you'll be arguing about who was wearing the nicer necktie.

Could you imagine if something as important as NDAA (the law Obama signed that allows U.S. citizens to be detained indefinitely without trial) was brought up in the debate? Or how the Federal Reserve is the main culprit behind the destruction of our currency and economy? They don't bring up these real issues because they want you to remain ignorant of them to begin with and then waste your time arguing with each other about absolutely nothing.

[StickyGreen]

"Obama called it terrorism the day after the attack!"

"No he didn't!"

"Yes he did!"

"No he didn't!"

"Yes he did, go read the transcript!!"

God damn you people are pathetic. lol, it's like watching children on a playground.

[TheStout]

Originally Posted by Ed Hammer

OMG you guys are right he said that statement on the first day! Then for weeks blamed it on a youtube video.

also he said "acts of terror" He did not call it a terrorist attack!

Waiting for youtube clip that shows Obama blaming it on youtube video.

Thanks

[Redrob]

Everybody is going to parse each comment to their own benefit.
Fuck em all.
The only opinion that counts is your ballot on election day.

[TheStout]

Originally Posted by StickyGreen

"Obama called it terrorism the day after the attack!"

"No he didn't!"

"Yes he did!"

"No he didn't!"

"Yes he did, go read the transcript!!"

God damn you people are pathetic. lol, it's like watching children on a playground.

I just asked how it was a "very very big" lie. If anything it is a misinterpretation. Proving ones point is acting like a child?

[Relentless]

Originally Posted by Ed Hammer

also he said "acts of terror" He did not call it a terrorist attack!

Please tell me the exact difference between 'acts of terror' and 'terrorist acts'
In English they have the identical meaning.
In your language, how do they differ?

[Barry-xlovecam]

Originally Posted by Robbie

What did Nixon lie about exactly when you saw that "same look"?

In 1968 election that he would end the Vietnam War -- 22,000 young Americans of my generation sacrificed their lives for Nixon's "Peace with Honor" bullshit until 1973.

Case study: Richard Nixon's Election promises

In the 1968 Presidential campaign, Richard Nixon stated that "new leadership will end the war" in Vietnam. He never used the phrase "secret plan", which originated with a reporter looking for a lead to a story summarizing the Republican candidate's (hazy) promise to end the war without losing. When pressed for details, Nixon retreated to the position that to tip his hand would interfere with the negotiations that had begun in Paris. Nixon never disavowed the term.[1] In his own memoirs, Nixon stated he never claimed to have such a plan. [2][3] Nevertheless, Nixon's critics have continued to accuse him of campaigning on a "secret plan" to end the war.

According to one historian, "it became obvious in 1969 that Nixon's 'secret plan' to end the war was a campaign gimmick..."[4]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electio...ction_promises

That I will never forgive... Also, Nixon's famous "I am not a crook" speech -- he resigned from the presidency shortly thereafter to avoid an impeachment.

NIXON: The only place where you and I disagree ... is with regard to the bombing. You're so goddamned concerned about civilians and I don't give a damn. I don't care.

KISSINGER: I'm concerned about the civilians because I don't want the world to be mobilized against you as a butcher.

conversation with Henry Kissinger as quoted in Secrets: A Memoir of Vietnam and the Pentagon Papers

Nixon was just a sack of lying shit.

57. I was draft age in 1973

[L-Pink]

Results hidden? Nice poll lol.

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[looky_lou]

No matter what caused the brutal attack, be it a spontaneous protest to a video or a planned terrorist act, I am sure that it was terrifying to all that were there and an act of terror.

There is a big difference between the term "act of terror" and a "terrorist act" carried out by organized radical Islamic terrorists.

[buzzard]

And the results are in for the Candy Crowley mindfuck buffet leftovers race - The dip outlasts the chip.

[Relentless]

Originally Posted by looky_lou

There is a big difference between the term "act of terror" and a "terrorist act"

No.
As a simple matter of language there is zero difference.
2+2 = 4
You can dislike 4. You can prefer 3.
None of that changes what 2+2 actually is equivalent to...
Act of Terror = Terrorist Act in English.

[Axel_Crak]

Originally Posted by StickyGreen

You obviously have a lot to learn about economics. The level of the Dow Jones is not much of an indicator of how the overall economy is doing.

Like I said before, the Federal Reserve is printing a billion a day right now, completely destroying the dollar. We will soon experience hyperinflation, regardless of which one of these clowns are in office that you all like to argue back and forth about.

Well i know and I'm interest in economy more than the average and less then some peoples

The charts reflect some aspect of the economy but for sure not everything. but they reflect perception, fear, hope, investment etc...

They stop the crash by lower the rates and printing money, for sure has you said hyperinflation could destroy the economy and turn the country into dark... But nobody does know that clearly.

If it was that clear well the market will be the mirror of that,,, and i will short all the stock i can. I think now investors has put their pink glasses a lil too fast, but theres a reason, and its because its not only bad news and their is still gas in the tank

The debt is so crazy and scary I agree too... and if the country wasn't the USA ill be VERY pessimist.

The Subprime mortgage crisis was not a walk in the park, the artificially stop it, and they may find another way to stop this one too to goes to lower level, that's my point, I'm more optimistic, and USA has a lot of tentacle and influence and tricks !

I think that economy will go down-up-down-up for few years but i dont see a HUGE recession, but a recession for sure

Also. we don't know whats gonna happen with europe, india/china, innovation, war, virus, etc etc all those factors will influence the rest, at least USA is a solid country

its only my opinion and i respect it, but one thing im sure, nobody know whats gonna happen, nobody has the verity, even the best economic guy on the planet..

Im interest to hear your tough and learn about your opinion so feel free to continue