Romey's TransCanada pipeline hits a snag..

[crockett]

The TransCanada pipeline that Romney boats about, as if he's the 1st to ever think of it has hit a snag. While he might try to lead the non informed into believing it's govt red tape holding the whole thing up because of liberal environmental pressure and only he can get the job done, the truth is rather different.

It seems it's just the opposite. See the TansCanada pipeline has been in the works long before Romney ever came into the picture.. Romney trying to say he would build something like this "if" he became president, is like saying Joe Dirt created the oil industry because he worked on an oil well in the movie.

It seems they have been working on doing this for sometime now, but the hold up isn't govt red tape or environmental laws as the guys on the right would love you to believe. Nope, the hold up is the ranchers & land owners in Texas, which is rather ironic.

Seems the land owners aren't happy that TransCanada is tying to ship in cheap Chinese steal rather than use American Steal, won't agree to hire local workers & won't say if the oil that gets shipped in will actually stay in the US vs be shipped out of the country. Added to this the company has tried to use imminent domain top steal people's land whom wont sell/lease it.

"Nearly half the steel TransCanada is using is not American-made and the company won't promise to use local workers exclusively; it can't guarantee the oil will remain in the United States. It has snatched land. Possibly most egregious: They've behaved like arrogant foreigners, unworthy of operating in Texas."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-...DArea;fdmodule

[woj]

where exactly is the problem?
US steel manufacturers are bitching that quality product is bought somewhere else for a lower cost?
what's the problem with shipping oil out of the country? if someone else pays more, only an idiot would sell for a lower price locally?

[DWB]

A lot of you are very intelligent guys. However, I am in awe at how many of you believe anything these two clowns say or think any difference will be made whatsoever if you change the hood ornament on the car.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by DWB

A lot of you are very intelligent guys. However, I am in awe at how many of you believe anything these two clowns say or think any difference will be made whatsoever if you change the hood ornament on the car.

Trust me I don't believe for a min that Romney was the guy that would get the pipeline built. As I mentioned in the OP, it's been under works for quite some time but Romney was trying to make it sound as if "HE" is the guy that would do it.

If you listen to the talking heads on the right they try to make it sound as if it's Obama & liberals or tree huggers on the left holding up the deal, when in fact it's actually Texas land owners that are having to sue the oil company.

It's not me that believe's the bullshit that comes out of their mouths it's the less informed, hence reason I figured I'd post this up being Romney brought it up in the debate.

[Tom_PM]

IMHO Romneys nonchalant comments about a drilling operation impacting an endangered species and his exasperation about Obama not signing off on the pipeline was something his advisors are smacking him in the nose with a rolled up newspaper about.

His base already agrees with him, and nobody else is going to be convinced during a debate that maybe they no longer believe in a clean environment.

Not everyone thinks the EPA is a rogue agency hell bent on stifling fossil fuel profits.

[Rochard]

Canada is the largest exporter of oil to the US. So it makes logical sense to build a pipeline from Canada all the way through the United States right down to the ports of the gulf in Mexico.... You know, so they can ship all of that oil to China.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by woj

where exactly is the problem?
US steel manufacturers are bitching that quality product is bought somewhere else for a lower cost?
what's the problem with shipping oil out of the country? if someone else pays more, only an idiot would sell for a lower price locally?

Dumb americans believe that if you produce more in the USA, prices at the pump are going to go down ....

Like the 1% is going to refuse a higher price per barrel from China, India, etc ...
again :

[BIGTYMER]

I like how if you say no to TransCanada they'll just take your land.

Government allowing a foreign corporation to STEAL private owned US land.. :/

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by BIGTYMER

I like how if you say no to TransCanada they'll just take your land.

Government allowing a foreign corporation to STEAL private owned US land.. :/

Screwed up isn't it? It's the laws of eminent domain, where government can sieze land for use by private companies. Niether Democrats nor Republicans have any problem with this. A Developer can come along, convince the county that he needs your property to build a prvate nursing home, or condos, or whatever, and the government can just take it from you and provide it to him.... (meanwhile giving you whatever the government deems to be "fair", whether you like it or not).


Government is just great, isn't it?



(VOTE GARY JOHNSON)






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[crockett]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Screwed up isn't it? It's the laws of eminent domain, where government can sieze land for use by private companies. Niether Democrats nor Republicans have any problem with this. A Developer can come along, convince the county that he needs your property to build a prvate nursing home, or condos, or whatever, and the government can just take it from you and provide it to him.... (meanwhile giving you whatever the government deems to be "fair", whether you like it or not).


Government is just great, isn't it?



(VOTE GARY JOHNSON)






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This actually happened on the street I lived on in Daytona back when I was still there. The end of my street had a beach ramp & had a house as well as a mom & pop's hotel. During the Hurricanes back around 2005/06 I forget exactly when they were the mom & pops hotel took storm damage.

The city wouldn't give the mom & pop's hotel permits to repair their damage instead they condemned the property, then used eminent domain on the single family house that was next to it.

Turns out a contractor already owned the land on the other side of the hotel so now they got all this beach front property as well because they claimed they would develop condos and bring in more taxes.

On top of the land from the hotel & the single family house the city actually "gave" the builder, the fucking land the street was on. They actually dug up the street which was beach access then replaced it with a side walk access added the land from the street to their parcel.

The best part is at that time the housing market crashed and the condos were never built, so now this land just sits there over grown for the past several years.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by crockett

The TransCanada pipeline that Romney boats about, as if he's the 1st to ever think of it has hit a snag. While he might try to lead the non informed into believing it's govt red tape holding the whole thing up because of liberal environmental pressure and only he can get the job done, the truth is rather different.

It seems it's just the opposite. See the TansCanada pipeline has been in the works long before Romney ever came into the picture.. Romney trying to say he would build something like this "if" he became president, is like saying Joe Dirt created the oil industry because he worked on an oil well in the movie.

It seems they have been working on doing this for sometime now, but the hold up isn't govt red tape or environmental laws as the guys on the right would love you to believe. Nope, the hold up is the ranchers & land owners in Texas, which is rather ironic.

Seems the land owners aren't happy that TransCanada is tying to ship in cheap Chinese steal rather than use American Steal, won't agree to hire local workers & won't say if the oil that gets shipped in will actually stay in the US vs be shipped out of the country. Added to this the company has tried to use imminent domain top steal people's land whom wont sell/lease it.

"Nearly half the steel TransCanada is using is not American-made and the company won't promise to use local workers exclusively; it can't guarantee the oil will remain in the United States. It has snatched land. Possibly most egregious: They've behaved like arrogant foreigners, unworthy of operating in Texas."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-...DArea;fdmodule

Romney will pass a law making the Texas guys give way, if Bain Capital can handle the steel deal. Problem solved.

[ravo]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Canada is the largest exporter of oil to the US. So it makes logical sense to build a pipeline from Canada all the way through the United States right down to the ports of the gulf in Mexico.... You know, so they can ship all of that oil to China.

Canada is building a pipeline from Alberta directly to the Pacific to ship oil to China. Why bother going through the US? That doesn't make geographic sense...

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Screwed up isn't it? It's the laws of eminent domain, where government can sieze land for use by private companies. Niether Democrats nor Republicans have any problem with this. A Developer can come along, convince the county that he needs your property to build a prvate nursing home, or condos, or whatever, and the government can just take it from you and provide it to him.... (meanwhile giving you whatever the government deems to be "fair", whether you like it or not).


Government is just great, isn't it?



(VOTE GARY JOHNSON)






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There is a reason for eminent domain.

I used to work for a company that built electric plants. There are certain requirements, access to water, a certain amount of space, must be near a freeway, and you must have access to string up power lines, etc. Doesn't sound complicated but when you try to string up one hundred miles of power lines which requires permission from thousands of land owners, well, it's a nightmare. We would spend years working on a single plant and after years of work and millions of dollars invested, before the first shovel hit the ground, one home owner would suddenly back up and it was back to the drawing board. In this case we didn't have eminent domain, and it was impossible to build power plants.

[Wizzo]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Canada is the largest exporter of oil to the US. So it makes logical sense to build a pipeline from Canada all the way through the United States right down to the ports of the gulf in Mexico.... You know, so they can ship all of that oil to China.

Or maybe because that's where most our refineries are...

[iwantchixx]

Originally Posted by BIGTYMER

I like how if you say no to TransCanada they'll just take your land.

Government allowing a foreign corporation to STEAL private owned US land.. :/

Really. If a foreigner entity steals land.. that's instigation for war in most places. hwoever, our government here lets the US, EU and China walk ALL over us and do what they want. I'm about fed up with my government. Went from proud & loud, for the people and now ...pussies for money. A Texas gas company is about to turn my entire province into a wasteland, undrinkable water and inedible wildlife with this Hydrofracking bullshit and there's nothing our people can do about it. No money stays here either.. and no permanent jobs from it.

I've said it a million times before and it makes MORE sense now than ever.. close the borders in regards to energy. Each country NEEDS to be responsible for their own energy source. This beautiful land I grew up in is going to go to shit.... bad enough government let Irving destroy most of the forests and national parks, only to ship all products to US.

These energy dealings are only the beginning, as resources run lower, shadier shit will be happening and domestic wars WILL ensue if we don't think quick, stop selling each other out or think about more than a pocketbook.

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by Rochard

There is a reason for eminent domain.

I used to work for a company that built electric plants. There are certain requirements, access to water, a certain amount of space, must be near a freeway, and you must have access to string up power lines, etc. Doesn't sound complicated but when you try to string up one hundred miles of power lines which requires permission from thousands of land owners, well, it's a nightmare. We would spend years working on a single plant and after years of work and millions of dollars invested, before the first shovel hit the ground, one home owner would suddenly back up and it was back to the drawing board. In this case we didn't have eminent domain, and it was impossible to build power plants.

Sorry, but it has, like all other goverment granted powers, been HIDEOUSLY abused and the whole thing needs to be re-examined and cut WAY WAY back IMHO.




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[MattPornerBros]

Originally Posted by crockett

The TransCanada pipeline that Romney boats about, as if he's the 1st to ever think of it has hit a snag. While he might try to lead the non informed into believing it's govt red tape holding the whole thing up because of liberal environmental pressure and only he can get the job done, the truth is rather different.

It seems it's just the opposite. See the TansCanada pipeline has been in the works long before Romney ever came into the picture.. Romney trying to say he would build something like this "if" he became president, is like saying Joe Dirt created the oil industry because he worked on an oil well in the movie.

It seems they have been working on doing this for sometime now, but the hold up isn't govt red tape or environmental laws as the guys on the right would love you to believe. Nope, the hold up is the ranchers & land owners in Texas, which is rather ironic.

Seems the land owners aren't happy that TransCanada is tying to ship in cheap Chinese steal rather than use American Steal, won't agree to hire local workers & won't say if the oil that gets shipped in will actually stay in the US vs be shipped out of the country. Added to this the company has tried to use imminent domain top steal people's land whom wont sell/lease it.

"Nearly half the steel TransCanada is using is not American-made and the company won't promise to use local workers exclusively; it can't guarantee the oil will remain in the United States. It has snatched land. Possibly most egregious: They've behaved like arrogant foreigners, unworthy of operating in Texas."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-...DArea;fdmodule

I thought that I read that it was a lot to do with Environmental concerns as well. Obama was the one who didn't move that project further and the ''Green'' people took it as a win.

[GetSCORECash]

Originally Posted by MattPornerBros

I thought that I read that it was a lot to do with Environmental concerns as well. Obama was the one who didn't move that project further and the ''Green'' people took it as a win.

It came down to the land owners who still refuse to sell. They are awaiting to get paid double what has been offered currently. So it's about the money.

The path has been changed to resolve the Environmental concerns, but it still is an issue for some.
http://blog.skytruth.org/2012/04/key...-pipeline.html

[crockett]

Originally Posted by MattPornerBros

I thought that I read that it was a lot to do with Environmental concerns as well. Obama was the one who didn't move that project further and the ''Green'' people took it as a win.

Obama didn't sign because the House Republicans tried to push him with a deadline date of 60 days when all the environmental studies had not been completed nor the land deals. Should he have signed the permits for a deal that hadn't been fully studied?

You think your local city would just sign permits for a house or business to be built if all the various things that need to be done before hand were not done? Again that was just more bull shit out of the talking heads on the Right, wanting to blame Obama because the sky is blue.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by crockett

Obama didn't sign because the House Republicans tried to push him with a deadline date of 60 days when all the environmental studies had not been completed. Should he have signed the permits for a deal that hadn't been fully studied?

You think your local city would just sign permits for a house or business to be built if all the various things that need to be done before hand were not done? Again that was just more bull shit out of the talking heads on the Right, wanting to blame Obama because the sky is blue.

Really? Sure wasn't a problem for him to push through a 1000+ page $750,000,000.00 spending bill that was only finished the night before and put it to a vote without ANYONE reading it.

I mean.. its all about due diligence and well reasoned, well informed decisions right?

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Really? Sure wasn't a problem to push through a 1000+ page $750,000,000.00 spending bill that was only finished the night before and put it to a vote without ANYONE reading it.

I mean.. its all about due diligence and well reasoned, well informed decisions right?

BOOYAAAH!!!!



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[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Wizzo

Or maybe because that's where most our refineries are...

How many oil refineries do you think this pipeline is going to pass? There are oil refineries in Minnesota, Illinois, Indiana, Minnesota, and Pennsylvania... These four are in the top twenty oil refineries in the United States. I'm guessing there are dozens more that this pipeline will pass by. Doesn't it make more sense to expand existing refineries that are closer to Canada instead of shipping them all the way down to the gulf coast where they are subject to closure and damage due to weather and also be shipped out to other countries?

Seems to me like Canada is looking to increase how much oil it exports to China and Romney wants to make that happen.

[2012]

Originally Posted by DWB

A lot of you are very intelligent guys. However, I am in awe at how many of you believe anything these two clowns say or think any difference will be made whatsoever if you change the hood ornament on the car.

just give up. it feels great. they'll get it on their way to the re-education camp

[shake]

Originally Posted by Wizzo

Or maybe because that's where most our refineries are...

The Canadian oil companies don't care - they will sell it to whoever pays the most, just like any other company.

[tfs]

Chinese steel? Why isn't Hamilton, Ontario having a shit fit?

[BFT3K]

Boehner's insider trading on Keystone Pipeline



Republican House Speaker John Boehner would personally benefit more than almost anyone if the Keystone Pipeline deal gets passed. Boehner has invested up to $365,000 of his own money in seven companies that would benefit from a deal getting passed, making many wonder about a conflict of interest.

According to the Washington Post, "The firms include six oil companies - BP, Canadian Natural Resources, Chevron, Conoco Phillips, Devon Energy and Exxon - along with Emerson Electric, which has a contract to provide the digital automation for the first phase of a $9.4 billion Horizon Oil Sands Project in Canada."