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CNN is claiming Obama won, 46% to 39%. I'm a bit surprised because I thought it was much closer.
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If Obama was to change direction this late in the game and present something dramatically different, I would sincerely consider it. I don't like the plans he has announced thus far and while Romney lacks specificity, this doesn't mean he can't be a great American president. I'm more likely to gamble on a new guy to do a good job than someone who didn't to magically give us four amazing years. On most social policies, I'm a total liberal. What we need the most now is jobs or its all for nothing. Brad |
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Like a Tie tonight will have equal a win to Obama .... Hes like the dealer in blackjack :) , he owns the power so , the one who want to beat him has to be better, not equal or near.. |
Pretty funny in America that a guy running for president has to say "I care about 100% of the population" and actually have to sell it.
Basically democrats think Obama won, Republicans thought Romney won, and I think everybody agrees America loses. But I'm sure because I made fun of Romney I will get called a sheep by some "independant" thinkers spewing fox news talking points. |
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Inflation caused by the Federal Reserve is one of the greatest economic problems that we face, it even looks as if we will soon experience HYPERINFLATION, yet they dare not bring it up at a presidential debate. Andrew Jackson (and JFK, sort of) was the last president who actually challenged the central bankers and was successful in disbanding their 2nd Bank of the United States because he realized what a threat it was to the country's economy. (The Federal Reserve is essentially the '3rd Bank of the United States,' they just changed the name when they were able to renew their charter under the treasonous snake Woodrow Wilson, and threw in the word 'Federal' to make it seem more official). You would never hear a Barack Obama or a Mitt Romney challenge the unconstitutional Federal Reserve like Andrew Jackson did. Why is this? Because they are part of the problem, they are somehow comprimised by the Federal Reserve system. This is true because they do not go after the obvious problem in our country (obvious at least to educated people who understand these things). |
Brad, check out the non swing-state thread? Would be interested in your opinion especially since Obama will get Michigan's electoral votes anyway.
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Just fucking with you.. But getting serious, I'm pretty sure that Nixon did end the Vietnam War. Kennedy got us involved and Johnson ratcheted it up. As for transcripts of discussions between people that occur while they are reaching a decision...I don't put much stock in that. I've said shit during discussions with people that was totally the opposite of what I finally did. In a discussion leading to a big decision you have to put everything on the table. Sorry...I'm a bit of a Nixon fan when looking back at his overall presidency in perspective. When I was a teenager I was like everybody else and hated him. But that was what we all did back then...hated the govt. (can't say the same for today's "liberals") |
To me most of it was a tie, but the one point where Romney got caught in the lie about what Obama said after the Libya attacks and the moderator called him on it was a telling moment, but when Obama then spoke and straight bitch slapped Romney for suggesting that he was playing politics with american lives that was a moment where Obama looked presidential and Romney looked pretty bad.
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I don't think this debate will change many decided voter's preferred candidate. However, I do think it does reinforce preconceived opinions. |
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Translation: It's a lot worse than it even looks. |
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The debates had absolutely nothing to do with the polls tightening. The polls were always going to tighten because it is a tight race. Anyone who is still undecided at this point doesn't deserve to fucking vote. Low information assholes. |
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I dont know also if the dollar crash, how much more the usa can raise and focus on exportation, with the global economy and the others countries with cheap production cost it will not be an easy game If you have time, pls drop a line about what you think about romney vs obama economic plans ? Are you in the usa ? If yes, and if you want to tell, i presume you favor romney plan ? |
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Seems like the moderators are more concerned with showing they can "control" the "debate". But all they seem to do is interrupt the candidates before they can give their full explanations of policy. :( After watching last weeks Vice Pres. and tonight's Pres. "debates"...I'm thinking that Jim Lehrer might have been unfairly criticized for not having "control" of the first debate. I'd much rather hear what the President and Romney have to say than watch BBW dreamgirl Candy Crowley "control" the debate. lol Seemed like every time that Obama or Romney were trying to give us details...she would interrupt because it was more "important" that they "move on" instead of fully addressing any of the questions. |
Obama finally stopped being polite, and beat his ass. :thumbsup
http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instanc...x/24774767.jpg Obama 2012. |
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The Republicans took us down. Now they bitch because Obama hasn't cleaned up their mess fast enough (while they do NOTHING to help, of course). Fucking Mitt has taken every position under the sun! He has no shame. Whatever position he thinks the people in front of him want to hear - he's all for. He's fucking sickening. http://i.qkme.me/3pxi43.jpg |
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Now, is a president responsible for any act of violence committed against Americans anywhere around the world? Jesus. Incredible that airliners slam into the twin towers and yet no Republicans blamed Bush. Ridiculous. Obama 2012. |
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And went on for weeks blaming a youtube video :thumbsup Time for a replacement! |
If it has to boil down to whether Ed Hammer acknowledges that Obama said it was a terrorist attack, or that "act of terror" means the same thing, then I'm pretty sure Obama won this round.
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What the President the US Government knew at any exact moment during a moment that involves the security of the US or an embassy, etc, is up to the government to reveal at the moment of it's choosing. The US government - in this case the White House and the President - most likely knew exactly what happened within hours. However, this is a moment where you have to dot your i's and cross your t's before saying anything. At the same time, a fucking debate or someone running for President should not have ANY influence on international relations, no less attempting to influence the President during a security situation. Yet Romeny attacked the President over this? |
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I agree, we need jobs. I also think that no one, not Superman himself, could have fixed our collective mess in 4 years. Or 8. Or even 12. |
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Good job to Obama for not looking at the floor the whole time :) |
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Romney got rich by putting people out of work. His company did leverage buyouts (LBO's), he borrowed HUGE amounts of money from banks, used it to buy out companies, then strapped those companies with huge debt, charged huge management fees, and closed them down. Fired all employees, then sold off the profitable parts. Like a parasite. He made his money by FIRING workers, not creating jobs. Then takes pictures with money in his teeth. I know, I lived in Massachusetts while he was governor, he didnt create shit for jobs. I think Mass was 47th in jobs growth while Romney was governor. Then when Bain needed help they got a government bailout...the very thing he said he's against. I dont like either of them, but at least with Obama we move forward socially with women, gays, minorities, and not have a president who believes in magic underwear and fires people while taking pictures of money stuffed into his pockets to gloat. |
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It's statements like these that hurt the Democrats arguments and cause a backlash against the President. With friends like you, who needs enemies? If you think Obama's ideas are better than Romney's then vote for Obama. No need to exaggerate shit about Romney's life. In my opinion they are both disqualified because they don't really believe in personal freedom. But in your world...Romney never hired anyone "ever"... Seriously? |
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He could have hired 100 people in company A and laid off 500 in company B he bought just to sell off the parts. That is a net loss of 400 jobs. He didn't create a single job in this case. I do not know how many jobs Romney created but it is worth looking into. Unless you know Romney has created a surplus in jobs IN America then saying clickhappy hurts the democrats because of his statement is just ignorant. |
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Dont split hairs if I use the word ever and he actually hired 20 or 30 people. I'm talking about substantial job creation. he's been in positions of power but only has a track record of finding good companies, sucking money out of them, then moving on to the next company, and putting his money offshore. So you show me how Romney created jobs |
a draw. still lots of ads to buy.
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Robbie must be right, and Romney has created millions of jobs. Maybe they were created in China!
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I was just pointing out some of the cases where Romney himself has created and destroyed jobs. |
They tied for the moron of the year award.
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Axe of Terrurrrr
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Romney thinks its his turn to be president, and rich people usually get what they want. That is all.
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I think that the confusion is over the fact that for a week after the terrorist attack, which turned out to be an Al Qaeda terrorist attack,the administration only pointed at the fact that it was a spontaneous reaction to a YouTube video. If they didn't know it was al qaeda within 5 minutes after it happened the question is why didn't they? And if they did know,why the blatant smokescreen? |
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Not a single question about the Federal Reserve. Easy to see who's really running things.
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A couple plus a couple is always four as a result. Never 3 and never 5. If you add a couple and a couple but do not get four as a result... You either didn't have two couples to start with or you added incorrectly. Once again, you can dislike what he said, you can believe it was not forceful enough or specific enough... But on the question of what was said, an act of terror and a terrorist act are exactly the same thing. Romney tried to call him on it and the moderator correctly pointed out Romney was in fact incorrect. What I find strange is that Republicans want the President to know all the specifics of a terrorist attack 48 hours after it happens, but they don't require Romney to know any of the specifics of his own economic plan four years after he started running for office. Our CIA and NSA will sort out what happened in Libya and kill those responsible, the same way Bin Laden was killed. However, that tax and loophole plan Romney keeps talking about will still be trillions of dollars away from magically adding up to become revenue neutral. Perhaps that might be worth a bit more focus from our electorate. |
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