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Juicy D. Links · 10-16-2012, 02:57 PM

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davethedope · 10-16-2012, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

It's really a simple concept - no traffic, no customers.

Paul doesn't seem to get this.

I'm not sure if I totally understand the point Paul is trying make, verbatim, but I will agree with him to the extent to say that content does trump traffic.

What I think is lost on a lot of people in the industry is that it's in many ways like Hollywood.

Adult is an industry of stars- personalities- porn stars if you will.

One Kim Kardashian, or Jenna Jameson, or even one of the playboy girls nextdoor is worth more than 50 Manwins.

Basically, Manwin's strength comes from the weaknesses of a disorganized industry.

Manwin doesn't make porn stars- customers do.

Am I anywhere close to what you mean Paul?

itto · 10-16-2012, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Itto "You can also get traffic to a site *without* plenty of good content." Yes you can. so send your traffic to one of these sites and see how you do. Try sending it to crap site without a lot of content. Or a site with a lot of good content and see how much money from the sites.

Come up with a logical argument or show actual proof where you earn loads of money sending lots of traffic to badly converting sites.

That's where targeting your audience comes into the equation. You just don't throw generic heaps of adult traffic at a random crap site.

You filter, pre-sell, etc. your potential customers in a way so that they land exactly at the site they prefer. The site you want to sell to them. At this point (after the filtering), it doesn't matter if the content is good or bad - it's exactly what they want.

There are people who want HD porn, lots of it.
There are people who want pictures.
There are people who want to buy used panties.
There are people who want to be financially dominated (no content needed, it's actually a niche), etc.

But it's PEOPLE (traffic) that are buying your product.

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anexsia · 10-16-2012, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by epitome

My blank pages convert at 1:1

I don't even have any websites and I'm still making sales.

epitome · 10-16-2012, 08:03 PM

A million hits to a site with OK content will make more than a site with the most amazing content that gets 3 hits.

Why Paul doesn't understand this is beyond me.

Paul Markham · 10-17-2012, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

It's really a simple concept - no traffic, no customers.

Paul doesn't seem to get this.

Please show me how you get your traffic and then send it to the places to get paid.

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Originally Posted by itto

That's where targeting your audience comes into the equation. You just don't throw generic heaps of adult traffic at a random crap site.

You filter, pre-sell, etc. your potential customers in a way so that they land exactly at the site they prefer. The site you want to sell to them. At this point (after the filtering), it doesn't matter if the content is good or bad - it's exactly what they want.

There are people who want HD porn, lots of it.
There are people who want pictures.
There are people who want to buy used panties.
There are people who want to be financially dominated (no content needed, it's actually a niche), etc.

But it's PEOPLE (traffic) that are buying your product.

I AM NOT SAYING DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO GET TRAFFIC.

That goes for the rest of you going down that route.

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Manwin doesn't make porn stars- customers do.

Exactly.

If they were sheep, people would convert 100%. Ever heard of a shepherd who only shears r slaughters 1-1,000 of his flock. You can lead a horse to water, you can't make him drink. An impulse has to be generated. Throwing mud at a wall, etc.

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Buy Velcro gloves and sort the sheep out at the traffic gate ... That is called traffic management. This could also lead to a new enjoyable past time.

If only it was that easy. Get some way to force people into buying. Like a Velcro site, once opened the surfer can never leave until he's bought a membership. That would convert 100% do you know one?

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Originally Posted by CyberHustler

I wanna learn how I can monetize content with zero traffics like a boss

Please show us how you monetise people with zero content. The actual method you use to do this.

The Hun · 10-17-2012, 12:14 AM

Paul, hail to that post. I've been seeing it that way since 1995. A lot of webmasters never seem to listen though... I guess they're the sheep

theking · 10-17-2012, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Please show me how you get your traffic and then send it to the places to get paid.

I AM NOT SAYING DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO GET TRAFFIC.

That goes for the rest of you going down that route.

Exactly.

If they were sheep, people would convert 100%. Ever heard of a shepherd who only shears r slaughters 1-1,000 of his flock. You can lead a horse to water, you can't make him drink. An impulse has to be generated. Throwing mud at a wall, etc.

If only it was that easy. Get some way to force people into buying. Like a Velcro site, once opened the surfer can never leave until he's bought a membership. That would convert 100% do you know one?

Please show us how you monetise people with zero content. The actual method you use to do this.

Stupid is as stupid does. Stupid...stupid...stupid...you perverted motherfucker.

Paul Markham · 10-17-2012, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

You have an island filled with people surrounded by an ocean. The ocean is constantly growing and removing more land from the island as it does so. As the ocean expands your island becomes smaller and the people formally on your island drown and become a part of the ocean.

The ocean represents the people who do not pay for porn (ever growing), the island represents the financial well being of your porn business and the people on your island represent those who will pay for porn (ever shrinking).

As long as the water keeps rising you'll either slowly lose it all or you'll have to learn how to profit from the rising water or otherwise neutralize it. I can be terrible at analogies sometimes but this sums up porn in 2012.

spot on. Fantastic way to put it. If this lot could control the people like they could control sheep. The "water" wouldn't be rising.

And that's what this thread is about. They don't control people in any way at all. Their method of getting people to a site comes down to standing in a street with a bunch of leaflets offering them to passers by. Some offering leaflets to a targeted market, yet even these rarely convert 10%. The better the targeting the better the result. Still when the prospect sees the leaflet it's content of the leaflet that makes them read, when they go to the shop it's content that makes them buy, if they come beck it was the content that brought them back. At no time have I said don't hand out leaflets. Even Damian with his emailig method is relying on content of the emails to get the best reaction.

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But without people (your traffic) buying that content, it stays on shelves...

True or False?

Stupidity. When did I say we do not need any traffic what so ever. If that's your best argument. Go think of your next job.

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Traffic is millions of people who are in fact sheep.

Show me your site that converts 99% of all the people on it.

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Originally Posted by Manwin

Today, Manwin alone has 65 million uniques a day.

Because you have a ton of content. Take the content off and see how many you have. And if they were sheep, you would make 65 million sales. Instead of selling at a few dollars a 1,000. Sheep are pay better.

[QUOTETheSquealer] This fucking idiot builds a childs wagon[/QUOTE]

Show us your wagon please.

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dd an irresistible offer, herd-mentality and a nifty countdown-timer and away goes your free will..

Show us your irresistible offer and we will believe you didn't pull that post out of your ass.

Paul Markham · 10-17-2012, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by The Hun

Paul, hail to that post. I've been seeing it that way since 1995. A lot of webmasters never seem to listen though... I guess they're the sheep

No, if they find a site that doesn't convert. They go elsewhere. You were preoccupied with the content on the HUN. That's why it was the best TGP site. Or did you throw up any gallery without checking and selecting the best ones?

And when Tubes topped TGPs, the surfers left The Hun to go to Pornhub.

But you still think I'm wrong. Why is that?

You are dead right that many have failed to adapt in porn. Thinking they can work and think as did in 1995. you would of thought by now they had learnt people can't be controlled, there is no irresistible offer. And the truth is few convert better than 2% of all traffic. 1-50 people who see their offer.

Maybe it's time they stopped thinking it's 1995.

CyberHustler · 10-17-2012, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

And when Tubes topped TGPs, the surfers left The Hun to go to Pornhub.

King Sheep at it again?

The Hun · 10-17-2012, 01:01 AM

Guess you're not always right Paul... Lucky for me ;-)

Treat people with respect. Don't annoy them into buying, proof them it's worth paying for something... my 0.02...

Paul Markham · 10-17-2012, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by The Hun

Guess you're not always right Paul... Lucky for me ;-)

Treat people with respect. Don't annoy them into buying, proof them it's worth paying for something... my 0.02...

Hang on that's what I'm saying. So how is it I'm wrong when you agree with me?

Glad you posted because your site illustrates how easy it is to get the traffic, once you have made sure you treat people with respect and they keep coming.

how hard was it to buy a spot on The Hun? Not very hard. Send an email, pay the money, send the banner or gallery and there you are. On the top of the best, in it's day, traffic site. Because Patrick made sure to treat people with respect, not take them for granted and give them what they wanted. Day after day.

And there you have 100,000s seeing it every day you paid for the spot. And the traffic game is finished. The people see the content on the banner or gallery. If they like it they click the link, it they like the content on the tour, they might buy, if they do and lie the content inside the site, they stay.

Traffic part so easy. Getting the people to spend money because of the content, so hard. Getting more traffic = more spots on more TGPs, so easy. Getting all those people to buy is reliant on the content convincing the people it's good enough. So hard.

When your only solution is to get free viewers, because your product can't convince them to buy anything. Then your problem is still the product. Go sell something that people will buy.

The Hun · 10-17-2012, 01:40 AM

Paul, that's the in-it-for-the-long-time-approach I've been always following. A lot are in there for the quick buck though. And I must admit that it's a very easy pitfall to think 'how can I make more from my visitor' instead of 'how can I please my customer more'. I am always trying to think like the latter...

Paul Markham · 10-17-2012, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by The Hun

Paul, that's the in-it-for-the-long-time-approach I've been always following. A lot are in there for the quick buck though. And I must admit that it's a very easy pitfall to think 'how can I make more from my visitor' instead of 'how can I please my customer more'. I am always trying to think like the latter...

Patrick that's the basis of all goof businesses and I respect you for doing it. This is why your site was the tops and those with a less sensible approach were so bad. A person surfing when he clicks on a link wants to see what he asked for, not sent to another site, he wants to feel he won't be sent to a scam site, that the place he's going to is worth seeing.

The same goes for this debate. A person will look at a link, sample, site and make an calculated decision. The wiser he gets the harder it is to fool him. Which is why today millions just stay on free tubes. It's not only the free part, we're selling a product that's $1 a day and often allows a member to download 100s of scenes.

The reason they don't buy is those 100s of HD scenes can't compete with a low res FLV Tube scenes. So they throw 100,000s of people at samples to earn a living.

The Hun · 10-17-2012, 04:59 AM

Goof businesses? ;-)

MaDalton · 10-17-2012, 05:10 AM

Sigmund Freud says hello..

itto · 10-17-2012, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Show us your irresistible offer and we will believe you didn't pull that post out of your ass.

Why so angry?

I get those every day when i open my mailbox..
y'know those flyers: "SALE! bazillion inches lcd TV $199 (was $999, only today)".

When you arrive at the store, there's a huge crowd in front of it and the tv's are sold out in less than 10 minutes. 80% of those sheep buying them don't even need a new tv, they only buy it because of the irresistible offer, herd-mentality and scarcity of the deal.

Same concept at online deal-sites:

I didn't just make that up, Paul. It's a well-known marketing technique.

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v4 media · 10-17-2012, 05:23 AM

So a mediocre {at best} photographer, who has to survive on a pension and whatever his wife makes at work is telling someone {who you may not agree with his methods but he does alright for himself

} how things work... shit I think the dementia is kicking in.

Pyewacket · 10-17-2012, 05:33 AM

So, then it comes back to offering a quality presentation of a quality product, not something that is low-quality and covered with ads. The visitors are smart enough to know the difference. I've been reviewing freesites for my linklist, and I amazed and how hard it is to even find the content among the ads on some of them. When I check the related paysite out, it usually looks just as tacky. Maybe these webmasters are trying to fool the visitor into clicking through to the paysite. Would I spend my money there? No. But I also don't spend time on the tube sites either. Why spend money to see the entire scene when you can see a low res version for free? I am sure the low res does the same kind of job for the average visitor. I don't want those.. I want the ones that appreciate the quality and want the security of enjoying their porn in a virus-free, malware-free environment.

Paul Markham · 10-17-2012, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by itto

Why so angry?

I get those every day when i open my mailbox..
y'know those flyers: "SALE! bazillion inches lcd TV $199 (was $999, only today)".

When you arrive at the store, there's a huge crowd in front of it and the tv's are sold out in less than 10 minutes. 80% of those sheep buying them don't even need a new tv, they only buy it because of the irresistible offer, herd-mentality and scarcity of the deal.

Same concept at online deal-sites:

I didn't just make that up, Paul. It's a well-known marketing technique.

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I said "Show us YOUR irresistible offer and we will believe you didn't pull that post out of your ass."

Not some screen grab.

So if you sell a life times membership to Brazzers for $1. Not a scam. We can all see how it's done.

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So a mediocre {at best} photographer, who has to survive on a pension and whatever his wife makes at work is telling someone {who you may not agree with his methods but he does alright for himself } how things work... shit I think the dementia is kicking in.

A mediocre photographer who made more than you do. Who wouldn't shoot custom for peanuts. Who now lives off his private pensions and the income from his content sales, 4 years after retiring.

You can lie all you like to prove a false point. Doesn't make it right.

Show us your great sites so we can see how you work.

Paul Markham · 10-17-2012, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Pyewacket

So, then it comes back to offering a quality presentation of a quality product, not something that is low-quality and covered with ads. The visitors are smart enough to know the difference. I've been reviewing freesites for my linklist, and I amazed and how hard it is to even find the content among the ads on some of them. When I check the related paysite out, it usually looks just as tacky. Maybe these webmasters are trying to fool the visitor into clicking through to the paysite. Would I spend my money there? No. But I also don't spend time on the tube sites either. Why spend money to see the entire scene when you can see a low res version for free? I am sure the low res does the same kind of job for the average visitor. I don't want those.. I want the ones that appreciate the quality and want the security of enjoying their porn in a virus-free, malware-free environment.

you would think with all these clever guys, finding great sites would be easy. Throwing people at crap is so 1995. These guys need to get into the 21st century.

itto · 10-17-2012, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I said "Show us YOUR irresistible offer and we will believe you didn't pull that post out of your ass."

Not some screen grab.

Why in the world would i expose my landers/concepts/etc. to my competition on a public forum? Jeez..

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Paul Markham · 10-17-2012, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by itto

Why in the world would i expose my landers/concepts/etc. to my competition on a public forum? Jeez..

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Because we would laugh at you.

CyberHustler · 10-17-2012, 08:27 AM

Well, I been scammed on here years ago... paid for a product (content) that dude didn't have. Yeah, it was the thought of content that got me (1 traffics) to pay, but he got me to pay without actually having any content. Learned a noobie lesson that day.

v4 media · 10-17-2012, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

mediocre photographer who made more than you do. Who wouldn't shoot custom for peanuts. Who now lives off his private pensions and the income from his content sales, 4 years after retiring.

You can lie all you like to prove a false point. Doesn't make it right.

Show us your great sites so we can see how you work.

I'm not the one telling people who run 8 figure companies what they should do better.

itto · 10-17-2012, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Because we would laugh at you.

pornguy · 10-17-2012, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Best-In-BC

Your Point is Valid but Traffic is and always KING

Traffic and Content are gay lovers.

Paul Markham · 10-17-2012, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by v4 media

I'm not the one telling people who run 8 figure companies what they should do better.

I told them to make better content.
Told Fabian to buy other companies.

didn't have to tell them to get their own traffic sources, they were on top of that.

So tell me where I'm wrong. Because they either listened or we think along the same lines. Which isn't amazing as there the lines The Hun thought along as well.

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Originally Posted by CyberHustler

Well, I been scammed on here years ago... paid for a product (content) that dude didn't have. Yeah, it was the thought of content that got me (1 traffics) to pay, but he got me to pay without actually having any content. Learned a noobie lesson that day.

And customers learned as well. Like you can spot a poor site, so can they.That's why affiliates send their people to good sites. Those that can't spot need to waste time testing it.

CyberHustler · 10-17-2012, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by pornguy

Traffic and Content are gay lovers.

Pretty accurate

papill0n · 10-17-2012, 12:57 PM

guess the guy with no traffic

CaptainHowdy · 10-17-2012, 01:02 PM

Paul Markham · 10-18-2012, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberHustler

Pretty accurate

Both need to be worked on. And if you can do something 1,000s of others can/t. you have a better chance of succeeding.

mychemicalromance · 10-18-2012, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

For years I've watched many here delude themselves with traffic is king, people or sites control traffic and the obvious cons and scams we've all seen. Finally the truth is starting to dawn on people.

Traffic is millions of people with a free will. They go where they want, do what they like and leave when they like. After all the scams we've seen they like us have become wiser and the scammers lass effective. Still a few of them will succeed.

In porn if you can give it away for free and easy to get. They will go to it and no matter how much others try, people will go where they want to go and that's to the best. If your product is better, the people once told will come and stay. They came the The Hun, because Patrick worked at making his site the best. They now go the Pornhub and Youtube, because they're the best. The day they stop being the best,the people will go elsewhere.

This carries through to sites that sell memberships. The people who go there will look at the offers and decide for themselves if they join. Once they joined, they will decide if they want to stay and rebill. They will decide if they come back in 6 months to get the updates.

So any anyone with thoughts of little companies competing in the major niches in the future. Needs to take this into consideration.

CAN I COMPETE WITH THE MEGA SITES.

Because if you can't the majority of people including affiliates, will see what you're offering and walk away. This is happening every day in high streets. Few go to the local stores in the high street. They go to the Malls. Few buy goods from little Ma & Pa operations, they buy from Fords, Coca Cola, GE, etc.

Who get's the most traffic online Youtube or Vimeo? I don't even know a smaller one, which shows you who will get the people coming to their sites in the future.

Now you can all start denying the obvious.

don't tell me it always was obvious, if it had of been you would of been working on making your offerings better than the rest. You just worked on getting more people and didn't bother enough on what you were offering the people.

very good

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The Hun Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,207	Guess you're not always right Paul... Lucky for me ;-) Treat people with respect. Don't annoy them into buying, proof them it's worth paying for something... my 0.02...

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The Hun Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,207	Paul, that's the in-it-for-the-long-time-approach I've been always following. A lot are in there for the quick buck though. And I must admit that it's a very easy pitfall to think 'how can I make more from my visitor' instead of 'how can I please my customer more'. I am always trying to think like the latter...

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Pyewacket Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 42	So, then it comes back to offering a quality presentation of a quality product, not something that is low-quality and covered with ads. The visitors are smart enough to know the difference. I've been reviewing freesites for my linklist, and I amazed and how hard it is to even find the content among the ads on some of them. When I check the related paysite out, it usually looks just as tacky. Maybe these webmasters are trying to fool the visitor into clicking through to the paysite. Would I spend my money there? No. But I also don't spend time on the tube sites either. Why spend money to see the entire scene when you can see a low res version for free? I am sure the low res does the same kind of job for the average visitor. I don't want those.. I want the ones that appreciate the quality and want the security of enjoying their porn in a virus-free, malware-free environment.

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