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Relentless 10-17-2012 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Minte (Post 19257465)
The reason we need more teachers is because it seems that the quality of students have gone downhill. Having an entitlement society will do that.

As usual we agree but from different points of view. Students are worse, but id attribute that to the fact that many now have both parents working overtime rather than staying home to raise them... and even very expensive child care sucks compared to having an actual parent watching your development live and in person.

Paul Markham 10-17-2012 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Minte (Post 19257688)
Paul, in most cases the years force a certain amount of wisdom on a person whether they want it or not. You clearly came up short or missed out on a few decades.

Believe it or not, Paul.. Vietnam is not a nation of peasants. They have spent 3 decades westernizing,building cities,airports, a complete infrustructure.

I've told you this before. We have sales reps. They are all over the world. We sell in Africa, Saudi Arabia, Australia, Europe and we even ship many containers a year TO China. What we have today is a global economy.
So no direct answer. Just a lot of hot air about how great you are.

Yes Vietnam rebuilt itself on foreign aid so you could get a contract from them. Without US Government wasting money in Vietnam, you wouldn't have the contract.

Yes you ship containers to China and they send fleets of ships loaded with goods back. How will cutting teachers solve that problem?

Now answer the other question about waste or do you know what I will reply with and how you made a mistake?

Sly 10-17-2012 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19257667)
:upsidedow :upsidedow Ridiculous post.

Families start the process, they back up teachers work. To say teachers don't help is ignoring reality.

The other two posts by Minte were equally stupid. no wonder jobs are going to China.

Minte, again I will ask you. How did Vietnam raise the money for their Government to give you a contract? Foriegn aid, a US company going to Vietnam, ????

Is this the waste you talk of?
Vietnam has been growing. They have been slowly transitioning out of the old idea of communism. Chinese money is flowing in Vietnam.

I was looking into investing in Vietnam a few years ago because of this.

Sly 10-17-2012 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19257743)
Yes Vietnam rebuilt itself on foreign aid so you could get a contract from them. Without US Government wasting money in Vietnam, you wouldn't have the contract.
Sure they would. You think the United States is solely responsible for any success in Vietnam? Hey, I think this is a great country and we do have a lot of power, but we don't have that much power.

arock10 10-17-2012 11:12 AM
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mo...-s-blind-trust

skip to 0:46 to hear what Romney himself has to say about blind trusts. Or just watch the whole thing

Paul Markham 10-17-2012 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Sly (Post 19257754)
Sure they would. You think the United States is solely responsible for any success in Vietnam? Hey, I think this is a great country and we do have a lot of power, but we don't have that much power.
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Normalization of relations?particularly in the economic sphere?began hesitantly in the early 1990s, progressed incrementally through the mid- and late 1990s, and then accelerated markedly following the signing of a Bilateral Trade Agreement (BTA) in 2000. One measure of the pace of the normalization of bilateral economic relations is the increase in trade flows, which rose from about $200 million in 1994 to over $1 billion in 2000, to nearly $4.5 billion in 2003. The United States is now Vietnam's largest trading partner.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...nce_to_Vietnam

Minte 10-17-2012 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Relentless (Post 19257739)
As usual we agree but from different points of view. Students are worse, but id attribute that to the fact that many now have both parents working overtime rather than staying home to raise them... and even very expensive child care sucks compared to having an actual parent watching your development live and in person.
No doubt that is some of the problem. It started years ago, when bleeding hearts started to label children. How many kids today are on some sort of medication for some *condition*.

I think the biggest problem is that the pressure on parents today to create that perfect human in their likeness is unreasonable. If your child doesn't turn out to be a lawyer or a doctor or at least pulling down a 6 figure income,it's because the parent was lousy or the child has OCD or some other condition of the month. Then it was only natural to *treat* the child with some drug.

At the end of the day, everyone can't be the chief. There has to be some indians too.

Minte 10-17-2012 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19257743)
So no direct answer. Just a lot of hot air about how great you are.

Yes Vietnam rebuilt itself on foreign aid so you could get a contract from them. Without US Government wasting money in Vietnam, you wouldn't have the contract.

Yes you ship containers to China and they send fleets of ships loaded with goods back. How will cutting teachers solve that problem?

Now answer the other question about waste or do you know what I will reply with and how you made a mistake?
How much more direct do you need? As it is, I owe you nothing.

There are a lot of bright people on both sides of the fence that for whatever reason continue to post here at GFY. You are the anomaly here. Some of your business posts are spot on. That's those years of wisdom I referred too.

And then make posts like in this thread that are actually bizarre.

If you don't live here in the US and only read about it online then I can understand why you wouldn't see the waste. That's fine. You don't live,vote or pay taxes here. You probably have spent a few weeks a year at shows in Vegas or/and Miami.

The list of government waste is so large that I challenge you to go look. Anyone that lives here knows a lot about how our government wastes billions of tax payers dollars.

And there is another option. Put me on ignore and don't feel slighted if I don't waste my time responding to your barrage of questions.

Relentless 10-17-2012 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Minte (Post 19258017)
No doubt that is some of the problem. It started years ago, when bleeding hearts started to label children. How many kids today are on some sort of medication for some *condition*. I think the biggest problem is that the pressure on parents today to create that perfect human in their likeness is unreasonable. If your child doesn't turn out to be a lawyer or a doctor or at least pulling down a 6 figure income,it's because the parent was lousy or the child has OCD or some other condition of the month. Then it was only natural to *treat* the child with some drug. At the end of the day, everyone can't be the chief. There has to be some indians too.
Thank you for summing up the reason why it is important to create a framework for our society that keeps all of the 'Indians' safe, secure and out of poverty. When the playing field is so tilted that any salary of less than 250K per year falls short of being able to have a few kids with one parent who stays at home with them and a house that isn't a disaster - parents live in terror that their offspring will fall short of that mark.

Working hard at a job 9-5 with a spouse who stays home and two or three kids you raise in some moderate degree of comfort is a dream beyond reach for way too many people - including many who now earn a 'good living' or even some families that have both parents working overtime.

True single payer basic healthcare, investment in early childhood education, an elderly care system that does not bankrupt and 'cash out' anyone's life savings during their limelight years - those kinds of things create a structure that allows people who work hard but lack the aptitude to make millions, to still enjoy life and gives their children a chance to be even more prosperous. It's why those things are so important and why funding them is so cheap compared to the alternative of more jails, less security and far more squandered potential.

Relentless 10-17-2012 01:24 PM
By the way Minte,

I am of the opinion that in the course of a long weekend you and I could easily hammer out a platform that appeased right and left wing interests while setting a clear and positive course for the entire country. The solutions to many of the problems we agree exist are identical, regardless of which POV you take as to how they came about. I'm confident both parties know this as well. The reason they don't do it is that they are paid to fail rather than to succeed by a never ending number of lobbyists.

Sad, but true.

Paul Markham 10-17-2012 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Minte (Post 19258032)
How much more direct do you need? As it is, I owe you nothing.

There are a lot of bright people on both sides of the fence that for whatever reason continue to post here at GFY. You are the anomaly here. Some of your business posts are spot on. That's those years of wisdom I referred too.

And then make posts like in this thread that are actually bizarre.

If you don't live here in the US and only read about it online then I can understand why you wouldn't see the waste. That's fine. You don't live,vote or pay taxes here. You probably have spent a few weeks a year at shows in Vegas or/and Miami.

The list of government waste is so large that I challenge you to go look. Anyone that lives here knows a lot about how our government wastes billions of tax payers dollars.

And there is another option. Put me on ignore and don't feel slighted if I don't waste my time responding to your barrage of questions.
As you won't answer. The Waste is the billions of dollars being spent in the US by the Government. Some of it borrowed. This inflated the US economy to such a degree that everything looked rosy. Most were living the American dream, on borrowed money. Until a pin burst the bubble and it all came crashing down. Or should I say greedy unregulated gamblers, gambling with other peoples money, brought the system crashing down.

The 1% did all right, they got masses of money and as the World economies burned they sat and fiddled.

Now the Republicans want to cut spending and throw millions out of jobs. Or is it only 10,000s? What ever it is, it will be a huge number. In public and private sectors.

But don't worry about Minte.

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You asked the question if I am ready. The answer is yes. I could've retired years ago. My assets far exceed my debt. My children could live their lives and never work and if they weren't stupid about it, their children could do the same. But not working is not an option. I enjoy my job and now have one of my children here and 3 nephews. The goal is to make it interesting for them to grow. Btw. All of them to date have college degrees, before they took a job with us.

The federal government of Vietnam is not our biggest customer. They are our metals division biggest customer. Our biggest customer is our agricultural tire company which we own.
Because him and his family part of the 1% who never get screwed. The 47% well he doesn't give a fuck about them, so long as someone waves a cut in his taxes. He would vote for a monkey or Adolf Hitler. If teachers get sacked, it won't effect him. He's got enough to send his kids to private school, if Medicare gets cut, he doesn't care, he's got enough to go private. So it's fuck you poor people, I'm all right.

Maybe they should cut the farm subsidies and import food, then his tyre factory might be fucked. Cut oil subsidies so you pay more for gas.

But he loves to spend all his time on GFY debating with us. I own a car business, Skoda you might of heard of it. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Personally I don't think you own anything but a few web sites. No businessman of your imagined magnitude would bother himself with GFY. And no I won't put you on ignore. I love seeing you try to debate and losing.

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For the rest. The problem the US faces isn't unique to there. It's the same in the EU and two are so closely linked, what happens here effects the US and visa versa. We have to bring back the wealth we exported to the Third World. I say we, it was in fact the 1%. A EU factory worker never sent his plant to China, it was his boss. Because in China a worker gets 10% of what he did.

The only way to get the wealth back is in educating and investing in our children's future. And making sure those who don't have the skills to fill the advanced jobs of tomorrow are not cast aside. It will take a combination of Governments and business to work together. It can't be solved by either on their own. And yes Minte, it will cost you money today.

Robbie 10-17-2012 03:41 PM
In last night's debate, when Obama tried this same argumnet...Romney pointed out that Obama's OWN pension has investments in Chinese companies.

Of course Obama deflected and said he didn't know WHAT was in HIS investments.

So once again, it's okay for Baby Jesus Obama to not know what's in his investment portfolio...but Romney is held to another standard.

Such hypocrisy.

Minte 10-17-2012 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19258284)
As you won't answer. The Waste is the billions of dollars being spent in the US by the Government. Some of it borrowed. This inflated the US economy to such a degree that everything looked rosy. Most were living the American dream, on borrowed money. Until a pin burst the bubble and it all came crashing down. Or should I say greedy unregulated gamblers, gambling with other peoples money, brought the system crashing down.

The 1% did all right, they got masses of money and as the World economies burned they sat and fiddled.

Now the Republicans want to cut spending and throw millions out of jobs. Or is it only 10,000s? What ever it is, it will be a huge number. In public and private sectors.

But don't worry about Minte.



Because him and his family part of the 1% who never get screwed. The 47% well he doesn't give a fuck about them, so long as someone waves a cut in his taxes. He would vote for a monkey or Adolf Hitler. If teachers get sacked, it won't effect him. He's got enough to send his kids to private school, if Medicare gets cut, he doesn't care, he's got enough to go private. So it's fuck you poor people, I'm all right.

Maybe they should cut the farm subsidies and import food, then his tyre factory might be fucked. Cut oil subsidies so you pay more for gas.

But he loves to spend all his time on GFY debating with us. I own a car business, Skoda you might of heard of it. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Personally I don't think you own anything but a few web sites. No businessman of your imagined magnitude would bother himself with GFY. And no I won't put you on ignore. I love seeing you try to debate and losing.

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For the rest. The problem the US faces isn't unique to there. It's the same in the EU and two are so closely linked, what happens here effects the US and visa versa. We have to bring back the wealth we exported to the Third World. I say we, it was in fact the 1%. A EU factory worker never sent his plant to China, it was his boss. Because in China a worker gets 10% of what he did.

The only way to get the wealth back is in educating and investing in our children's future. And making sure those who don't have the skills to fill the advanced jobs of tomorrow are not cast aside. It will take a combination of Governments and business to work together. It can't be solved by either on their own. And yes Minte, it will cost you money today.
You sound pretty sure of yourself Paul. How about a wager. If I can easily prove that my statements regarding the companies I own are fact, you log off GFY and never come back.

And if I can't prove it, then I will log off and not be back.

While you are considering your position, I will take this opportunity to tell you to shove it up your stupid ass. I have a long history in business of more than treating our employees with respect. We supply benefits at a higher rate than anyone in the area. Our pay rates are higher than any one in the area. The management team works long hours to make the work challenging yet safe and enjoyable.

Are you ready to take the wager

Sly 10-17-2012 05:09 PM
It's truly amazing to me how so many rail on Minte and his "business practices." Truly insane.

Relentless 10-17-2012 09:33 PM
Minte, have you given Paul Markham an up to date bathroom count?
He has a fetish for toilet to employee ratios... ;)

astronaut x 10-17-2012 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Minte (Post 19250910)
This is the system the world goes by. And the man knows how to make money.

Why is it that so many of you try to make that a bad thing.
Cheney knew how to make money for Haliburton. :2 cents:

baddog 10-17-2012 10:48 PM
Would be an outrage if Obama wasn't doing the same thing . . . I guess.

baddog 10-17-2012 10:54 PM
and Markham is actually questioning Minte's legitimacy? Was there a Troll of the Year Award for 2012?

PornMD 10-17-2012 10:54 PM
I love how everyone is patriotic only when it suits their interest. Who would give a flying fuck about someone investing in foreign corps (the nature of INVESTING is to MAKE MONEY ON YOUR MONEY WHEREVER YOU CAN) if it wasn't a presidential candidate everyone loves to hate that's doing it?

So now if he comes out and says "I like the band Nirvana", people will either say "Nirvana sucks" or "He must be lying". This shit's getting ridiculous. The guy is a shitty politician and would be a shitty leader - focus on THAT aspect of him...focusing on all this other shit makes you all seem petty and if anything, plays him UP not DOWN.

Oh, and all of you investing in Apple are supporting borderline slave labor in China, you unpatriotic pieces of shit. But damn is your investment profitable!

Paul Markham 10-17-2012 11:33 PM
The Chinese economy is on the wain. It will only grow by 7% this year.

Most of what it produces is exported.

That's the problem, what's the solution?

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You sound pretty sure of yourself Paul. How about a wager. If I can easily prove that my statements regarding the companies I own are fact, you log off GFY and never come back.

And if I can't prove it, then I will log off and not be back.
Just send me an email. It will stay private if it proves you right.

KillerK 10-18-2012 12:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19258991)
The Chinese economy is on the wain. It will only grow by 7% this year.

Most of what it produces is exported.

That's the problem, what's the solution?



Just send me an email. It will stay private if it proves you right.
no way, it needs to be public, so when he wins you are history from the board. Sorry but you bring ** ZERO ** value to GFY. Most threads you get involved in turn into FAIL at some point.

baddog 10-18-2012 12:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19258991)
The Chinese economy is on the wain. It will only grow by 7% this year.

Most of what it produces is exported.

That's the problem, what's the solution?



Just send me an email. It will stay private if it proves you right.
You will find some way to weasel your way out of it. You must not be very observant if you don't think he is legit. Seriously, that's like saying Vendzilla was never on a sub or Rochard in the Marines.

Say goodbye Paul.

Paul Markham 10-18-2012 01:27 AM
Then if you guys know why post it?

Seems strange a big time factory owner posts on GFY.

Anyone wants to put me on ignore is welcome to. Anyone quoting my posts is reading my posts and asking me to reply. Go figure how bright that is.

Black All Through 10-18-2012 01:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19250879)

What do you think he will do when he's President?
Thats the thing, he wont become president :2 cents:

Paul Markham 10-18-2012 01:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Black All Through (Post 19259120)
Thats the thing, he wont become president :2 cents:
I would love someone to tell us why the Republicans picked two lame dogs in a row. The US should be a power house for the World, when is was we all did well. When it over inflated, we did better. We know the rest.

The Third World will not be the power house the US was, the EU is in a worst spot and that should be discussed more because of the repercussions of the Euro collapsing.

We need a new Roosevelt and all we get is squabbling.

Minte 10-18-2012 04:51 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19258991)
The Chinese economy is on the wain. It will only grow by 7% this year.

Most of what it produces is exported.

That's the problem, what's the solution?



Just send me an email. It will stay private if it proves you right.
What address would you like me to send it to.

Paul Markham 10-18-2012 05:16 AM
paulmarkhamcontent at hotmail will do thank you.

tony286 10-18-2012 05:46 AM
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Originally Posted by arock10 (Post 19257814)
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mo...-s-blind-trust

skip to 0:46 to hear what Romney himself has to say about blind trusts. Or just watch the whole thing
Yep and thats why he wont release 10 yrs of tax returns because he was much more active in activities then he states.
If he wins, its a very close horse race and has a gop house and senate. He will cut taxes, fuck the middle class and the poor and drive spending to a level never imagined. Thats what republicans do and when they arent in power they scream about spending and when in power its spend spend spend.No tea parties screaming about it back then, I wonder why? Also unemployment wont go down and it will turn from Obama's fault to the lazy peoples fault. They should all go work at Mcdonalds or walmart who cares if you got your degree. Book mark this.

tony286 10-18-2012 05:54 AM
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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 19258956)
and Markham is actually questioning Minte's legitimacy? Was there a Troll of the Year Award for 2012?
I believe minte says who he is but to a normal person it makes no sense. He has this very profitable production business and others for years. But goes into porn where if he was found out at the time ,I assume would of cost him contracts. Also he has all this time for running a porn empire and running a empire of bricks and mortar businesses.Even though the two empires nothing is related to each other so there is no overlap. He is a chief of industry who makes more money than any of us can imagine but seems to have a ton of time to fuck off on gfy. And has nothing better to do in his life than argue politics with people who arent even close to his peer.
I can see how a normal person would question that.

Minte 10-18-2012 05:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19259348)
paulmarkhamcontent at hotmail will do thank you.
Email has been sent, I appreciate that you keep those links and info confidential.

Dvae 10-18-2012 06:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19259139)
I would love someone to tell us why the Republicans picked two lame dogs in a row. The US should be a power house for the World, when is was we all did well. When it over inflated, we did better. We know the rest.

The Third World will not be the power house the US was, the EU is in a worst spot and that should be discussed more because of the repercussions of the Euro collapsing.

We need a new Roosevelt and all we get is squabbling.
Ever heard of Al Gore?
How about John Kerry?

The Dems picked two losers in a row, didn't bother you a bit.

Minte 10-18-2012 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 19259383)
I believe minte says who he is but to a normal person it makes no sense. He has this very profitable production business and others for years. But goes into porn where if he was found out at the time ,I assume would of cost him contracts. Also he has all this time for running a porn empire and running a empire of bricks and mortar businesses.Even though the two empires nothing is related to each other so there is no overlap. He is a chief of industry who makes more money than any of us can imagine but seems to have a ton of time to fuck off on gfy. And has nothing better to do in his life than argue politics with people who arent even close to his peer.
I can see how a normal person would question that.
Without going into a long story. I started at the beginning of the internet. First time I surfed, with MOSAIC I thought that this would change the way business was done. I learned HTML and quickly recognized that the only people that were using this new technology successfully was the adult industry. It was the right place at the right time. So I started a bikinipage. Within months I had frontpage of Yahoo and stayed there for nearly 6 years. And when Google got strong did well with them too. Learning how to optimize for search engines was something every mainstream business owner should know how to do.

If you see my posting pattern, I pop in a lot for a few days and then I am gone again for weeks. I like GFY because there are a lot of very bright people here. And talking politics with mainstream customers would be the wrong thing to do.

tony286 10-18-2012 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Minte (Post 19259424)
Without going into a long story. I started at the beginning of the internet. First time I surfed, with MOSAIC I thought that this would change the way business was done. I learned HTML and quickly recognized that the only people that were using this new technology successfully was the adult industry. It was the right place at the right time. So I started a bikinipage. Within months I had frontpage of Yahoo and stayed there for nearly 6 years. And when Google got strong did well with them too. Learning how to optimize for search engines was something every mainstream business owner should know how to do.

If you see my posting pattern, I pop in a lot for a few days and then I am gone again for weeks. I like GFY because there are a lot of very bright people here. And talking politics with mainstream customers would be the wrong thing to do.
You did all that's while running several manufacturing businesses. Bravo. You have no friends to discuss politics with?

Minte 10-18-2012 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 19259431)
You did all that's while running several manufacturing businesses. Bravo. You have no friends to discuss politics with?

I am an engineer by trade. Time management skills are a big part of it.

Politics - Never, that's why I still have friends.

tony286 10-18-2012 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Minte (Post 19259438)
I am an engineer by trade. Time management skills are a big part of it.

Politics - Never, that's why I still have friends.
You are a smart man. My brother feels the same way. I lost a good friend and mentor over politics. Which was so stupid.

undersoul 10-18-2012 07:18 AM
Romney is a joke. period.

Paul Markham 10-18-2012 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by undersoul (Post 19259520)
Romney is a joke. period.
No the last thing he is, is funny.

Watch the whole thing.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mo...-s-blind-trust

$77,000 to send a horse to a dressage competition. As a tax deduction.

Relentless 10-18-2012 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Minte (Post 19259424)
I like GFY because there are a lot of very bright people here. And talking politics with mainstream customers would be the wrong thing to do.
It's great for opposition viewpoints once you sift out the idiots. I talk about politics with friends, family and a very occasional customer or two because I am very interested in how the system works and how it can be improved. Unfortunately most of the people I associate with have similar points of view to my own. Discussing things with people who start out mostly in agreement is a terrible way to learn anything. Discussing things here with Robbie, Minte, and many others does an excellent job of making me rethink my own positions, in the end my position is either stronger and better refined or abandoned in favor of a better one.

I'll never understand why people think disagreeing about philosophical matters like politics, morality and religion is a bad thing. It's the best way to learn and having different views about the right way to fix Medicare doesn't make anyone an evil person, so long as the disagreement is constructive. Sad that small minded people prevent others from being willing to voice their views. It's the main reason we don't have a national dialogue leading to real solutions.

baddog 10-18-2012 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19259568)
No the last thing he is, is funny.

Watch the whole thing.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mo...-s-blind-trust

$77,000 to send a horse to a dressage competition. As a tax deduction.
Why don't you stick to discussing what you know?

Paul Markham 10-18-2012 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 19259643)
Why don't you stick to discussing what you know?
So he has released his tax returns for the years before he decided to stand for the President and he didn't put $77,000 for a horse to go to dressage, as a tax deduction.

Those lying Democrats how dare they besmirch this noble man. :mad:

baddog 10-18-2012 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19259892)
So he has released his tax returns for the years before he decided to stand for the President and he didn't put $77,000 for a horse to go to dressage, as a tax deduction.

Those lying Democrats how dare they besmirch this noble man. :mad:
If it was not a LEGAL TAX DEDUCTION you would have a leg to stand on. As it is, you don't. So, why is it that you had to flee England?

PornMD 10-18-2012 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 19259908)
If it was not a LEGAL TAX DEDUCTION you would have a leg to stand on. As it is, you don't. So, why is it that you had to flee England?
Precisely. Blame the shitty tax code, not the people smart enough to take advantage of it. What, you'd prefer him to pay taxes he doesn't have to pay? Who would willingly do that?

PornoMonster 10-18-2012 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19250836)
Even better, Romney is investing in Chinese oil. Fucking brilliant.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...e-oil-company/
At least it is HIS money he is investing in foreign oil. Obama gives other countries money to drill.... (from the debates)

PornoMonster 10-18-2012 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by PornMD (Post 19259969)
Precisely. Blame the shitty tax code, not the people smart enough to take advantage of it. What, you'd prefer him to pay taxes he doesn't have to pay? Who would willingly do that?
Exactly, not like Obama isn't taking advantage of EVERY tax loophole he can.
Obama says he should pay more, but he wont until the tax code will Make him.

Again it is NOT a TAX Problem, it is a Spending problem.

madm1k3 10-18-2012 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by PornMD (Post 19259969)
Precisely. Blame the shitty tax code, not the people smart enough to take advantage of it. What, you'd prefer him to pay taxes he doesn't have to pay? Who would willingly do that?
Mitt Romney intentionally paid more taxes this year, this is because he said he paid at least 13% taxes for the last 10 years.

http://www.businessinsider.com/romney-taxes-2012-9

Paul Markham 10-18-2012 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by PornMD (Post 19259969)
Precisely. Blame the shitty tax code, not the people smart enough to take advantage of it. What, you'd prefer him to pay taxes he doesn't have to pay? Who would willingly do that?
So why is he hiding them?

baddog 10-18-2012 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19260442)
So why is he hiding them?
Because it is none of YOUR business and he knows if he does, ole Paul Markham will want him to send photos validating everything.

Idiot. You don't think if he was cheating on his taxes the IRS would already be on it? Tool.

Robbie 10-18-2012 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 19260464)
Because it is none of YOUR business
And that is exactly the answer that should be given to every Obama-maniac asking for Romney's personal information.

PornoMonster 10-18-2012 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19260442)
So why is he hiding them?
Why did Obama Seal his Birth and other records???

Oh and take so long to release them. BLAH

2 Way Street!

Robbie 10-18-2012 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by PornoMonster (Post 19260599)
Why did Obama Seal his Birth and other records???

Oh and take so long to release them. BLAH

2 Way Street!
baddog's answer fits that one too..He was a U.S. citizen. He was a U.S. senator for God's sake!

It wasn't anybodies business for him to show them his birth certificate. :)

And you're right. It's a two-way street. And right wing crazies made assholes out of themselves on that issue and cost the Conservative movement a lot of credibility.

Just like the left wing crazies have hurt the Liberal movement with all the crazy shit they have said and obsessed on in the election.

Both sides should be ashamed.


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