You Heard It First From me Manwin To Open Talent Agency in L.A. - GoFuckYourself.com

mikesouth · 10-05-2012, 09:41 AM

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Fabian is now going into the Talent Agent Business

It will be run by Gianna Michaels, Gianna currently works simultaneously for both Reality Kings as a booker / production manager and also as an agent for the unlicensed and unbonded talent agency Valley Babes owned by Lee Bang. Gianna was a model for Lee throughout her own modeling career.

The new agency will be housed at Reality Kings offices at:

1430 Strathern St, #K,
Canoga Park, CA 91304

Manwin has had a small agency in South Florida for a while now and they have been trying to buy agencies in L.A. but nobody would sell to them.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 10-05-2012, 09:46 AM

ADG

Brujah · 10-05-2012, 09:47 AM

When will Manwin get into billing?

xNetworx · 10-05-2012, 09:50 AM

I wonder if other agencies are worried

NaughtyRob · 10-05-2012, 09:52 AM

#Manwinning

baddog · 10-05-2012, 09:53 AM

Makes sense, why wouldn't they?

pornlaw · 10-05-2012, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Makes sense, why wouldn't they?

Under the Talent Agencies Act it would be a conflict of interest...

California Labor Code section 1700.40;

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(b) No talent agency may refer an artist to any person, firm, or corporation in which the talent agency has a direct or indirect financial interest for other services to be rendered to the artist, including, but not limited to, photography, audition tapes, demonstration reels or similar materials, business management, personal management, coaching, dramatic school, casting or talent brochures, agency-client directories, or other printing.

(c) No talent agency may accept any referral fee or similar compensation from any person, association, or corporation providing services of any type expressly set forth in subdivision (b) to an artist under contract with the talent agency.

JFK · 10-05-2012, 10:11 AM

another scoop for Mike

v4 media · 10-05-2012, 10:12 AM

Just wondering how you get away with that massive sig? you got some secret on Eric/Theo they dont want coming out?

mikesouth · 10-05-2012, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by pornlaw

Under the Talent Agencies Act it would be a conflict of interest...

California Labor Code section 1700.40;

Thanks Michael...I had a feeling there was a conflict there but somehow I dont think thats the only conflict that Manwin has with CA law.

Harmon · 10-05-2012, 10:15 AM

Oh snapples!

CyberHustler · 10-05-2012, 10:18 AM

mikesouth · 10-05-2012, 10:20 AM

I would also look for changes in that office rather quickly considering Mike Moz and Monstars less than stellar performance as PR People at Digital Playground and that Moz used to work for Derek Hay at L.A. Direct I would expect him to be moved pretty quickly.

Barefootsies · 10-05-2012, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by pornlaw

Under the Talent Agencies Act it would be a conflict of interest...

California Labor Code section 1700.40;

This is actually true.

Open a history book, and read up on MCA and Lou Wasserman. Same shit, new decade.

alias · 10-05-2012, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by pornlaw

Under the Talent Agencies Act it would be a conflict of interest...

California Labor Code section 1700.40;

I for one am shocked.

CaptainHowdy · 10-05-2012, 10:23 AM

The Empire Strikes Back!

LeRoy · 10-05-2012, 10:25 AM

Que the deathstar theme

Robbie · 10-05-2012, 10:27 AM

That's pretty funny.

So now Manwin is almost the only game in town for production already.
Talent will have to go to Manwin's Talent Agency and pay them a percentage to be booked to work for Manwin's Porn Companies and of course be tested by Manwin's STD testing center.

And then the entire porn industry will be run out of Los Angeles (as is already happening) and Manwin will own a bunch of empty buildings. lol

Robbie · 10-05-2012, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Brujah

When will Manwin get into billing?

Probably buying CC Bill as we speak.

NemesisEnforcer · 10-05-2012, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by mikesouth

Thanks Michael...I had a feeling there was a conflict there but somehow I dont think thats the only conflict that Manwin has with CA law.

Presently, Manwin also have daily conflicts with US Federal laws.

fitzmulti · 10-05-2012, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by mikesouth

I would also look for changes in that office rather quickly considering Mike Moz and Monstars less than stellar performance as PR People at Digital Playground and that Moz used to work for Derek Hay at L.A. Direct I would expect him to be moved pretty quickly.

"less than stellar", at least as far as Moz goes, is quite the UNDERSTATEMENT.

Fat Panda · 10-05-2012, 10:48 AM

report this shit to the authorities!

BareBacked · 10-05-2012, 10:49 AM

sounds like chasing pennies.
guess they are in it for first crack at the talent pool

Radical Bucks · 10-05-2012, 10:51 AM

Fuck Manwin and anyone who works with and for them!

mikesouth · 10-05-2012, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by pornopete

Mike if you put as much effort into growing your business as you do trying to figure out everybody elses, I'm sure you would be successful.

My business does just fine thank you.

Robbie · 10-05-2012, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by BareBacked

guess they are in it for first crack at the talent pool

It's another good way to finish off the few remaining companies they want to acquire who haven't sold to them yet.

You force all the talent to only work with your talent agency (because Manwin has the most work for them), and then you don't allow any of them to work for the companies you want to buy.

In other words...Naughty America you are going to have to sell to Manwin.

Is there anybody else left of that size for Manwin to assimilate?

davethedope · 10-05-2012, 11:04 AM

Is this just good business?

Think of it, you have an industry full of self interested, independent, entrepreneurs- some of whom just got lucky by getting into the internet early.

Everything was decentralized, no webmaster associations per se.

So, along comes a group who, to their credit, identifies the inherent weakness of what amount to hundreds of small businesses in a market where product differentiation is next to zero.

The company starts putting the pieces together and pretty much forces the hand of the independent business owners.

mechanicvirus · 10-05-2012, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by davethedope

Is this just good business?

Think of it, you have an industry full of self interested, independent, entrepreneurs- some of whom just got lucky by getting into the internet early.

Everything was decentralized, no webmaster associations per se.

So, along comes a group who, to their credit, identifies the inherent weakness of what amount to hundreds of small businesses in a market where product differentiation is next to zero.

The company starts putting the pieces together and pretty much forces the hand of the independent business owners.

I believe they call that walmartization.

Paul Markham · 10-05-2012, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by davethedope

Is this just good business?

Think of it, you have an industry full of self interested, independent, entrepreneurs- some of whom just got lucky by getting into the internet early.

Everything was decentralized, no webmaster associations per se.

So, along comes a group who, to their credit, identifies the inherent weakness of what amount to hundreds of small businesses in a market where product differentiation is next to zero.

The company starts putting the pieces together and pretty much forces the hand of the independent business owners.

TBH this industry was, always dominated by big companies. Then came the Internet and we had 1,000s of Ma & Pa operations who fucked it up. Guys working from home with get rich quick mentalities who were all fighting each other over traffic. On one hand you had sponsors doing what ever they could to put affiliates first and affiliates demanding way too much and being given so much a fool could make some money.

Now the decline is set in there will be a handful of medium companies left and a couple of big ones. The Ma & Pa will be of little consequence except in Micro niche or like you with a super girl. Even those as you know are feeling the pinch.

For most of you. The fat lady will soon be singing.

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Originally Posted by BareBacked

sounds like chasing pennies.
guess they are in it for first crack at the talent pool

If they can find new talent in LA it makes sense. No one company can dominate experienced talent, while there are others to work for.

signupdamnit · 10-05-2012, 12:29 PM

Not to defend Manwin (haha!) but they are so big that I can see why they would want to get more control over the supply line for their product. It's only natural. I hope it doesn't lead to less competition though.

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

TBH this industry was, always dominated by big companies. Then came the Internet and we had 1,000s of Ma & Pa operations who fucked it up. Guys working from home with get rich quick mentalities who were all fighting each other over traffic. On one hand you had sponsors doing what ever they could to put affiliates first and affiliates demanding way too much and being given so much a fool could make some money.

Now the decline is set in there will be a handful of medium companies left and a couple of big ones. The Ma & Pa will be of little consequence except in Micro niche or like you with a super girl. Even those as you know are feeling the pinch.

For most of you. The fat lady will soon be singing.

If they can find new talent in LA it makes sense. No one company can dominate experienced talent, while there are others to work for.

Affiliates were the ones with all the traffic that's why they called the shots. It only changed when companies came along and started hiding behind DMCA law in order to amass large amounts of traffic by using the content of others without their permission. It's easy to forget that. If it weren't for Mansef and the gang in 2006 and 2007 with their tubes affiliates would still rule the roost. Google helped a bit too with some of their changes but for the most part it's sites like Pornhub who took the traffic from the affiliates.

But don't rejoice over the death of affiliates just yet if you're a sponsor who hated affiliates. The same conditions are also destroying pay site sales in general as porn becomes free.

signupdamnit · 10-05-2012, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by pornlaw

Under the Talent Agencies Act it would be a conflict of interest...

California Labor Code section 1700.40;

Interesting...

PR_Dave · 10-05-2012, 12:41 PM

Who cares.

RyuLion · 10-05-2012, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by CamBoss

I wonder if other agencies are worried

I know they will..they will eventually become the IBM of of porn..

RyuLion · 10-05-2012, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by pornlaw

Under the Talent Agencies Act it would be a conflict of interest...

California Labor Code section 1700.40;

oh wow! very nice!

Redrob · 10-05-2012, 01:31 PM

I think the correct term is "vertical integration" of the business.

mikesouth · 10-05-2012, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Redrob

I think the correct term is "vertical integration" of the business.

I think the correct term is Racketeering

Paul Markham · 10-05-2012, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

Affiliates were the ones with all the traffic that's why they called the shots.

This is true and I blame sponsors for giving you the tools to call the shots. Seems you did a great job of destroying yourselves.

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It only changed when companies came along and started hiding behind DMCA law in order to amass large amounts of traffic by using the content of others without their permission. It's easy to forget that. If it weren't for Mansef and the gang in 2006 and 2007 with their tubes affiliates would still rule the roost. Google helped a bit too with some of their changes but for the most part it's sites like Pornhub who took the traffic from the affiliates.

Affiliates became too expensive and too much trouble. Plus they had given away so much content, Tubes were the next logical step.

And affiliates took traffic from sponsors. Adapt or die.

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But don't rejoice over the death of affiliates just yet if you're a sponsor who hated affiliates. The same conditions are also destroying pay site sales in general as porn becomes free.

I was reliant never on paysite sales to make a living.

Let's assume for a minute it becomes very illegal to have a tube site with user uploaded pirated content. Then what?

Every Tube owner will have to go through their servers with a fine tooth comb. Then every Tube site will either shrink or disappear. As you say traffic is king, except traffic are real people and they will stay viewing porn on Pornhub, Youtube, etc. Because content is a magnet the traffic loves.

The days of the Ma & Pa operations are mostly over or coming to an end, except for a few with micro niche or a super girl.

In the good old days many yearn for, The Hun would accept a gallery from anyone. Today few submit to him. Pornhub won't be giving affiliates an account, they will only give it to sponsors who will give them the affiliates cut.

I accept my time is over, because of health and no need to work. Many more need to realise that.

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Not to defend Manwin (haha!) but they are so big that I can see why they would want to get more control over the supply line for their product. It's only natural. I hope it doesn't lead to less competition though.

That for a sponsor like Manwin is a bad move. They need to go to the guys who can shoot bast and find the best girls. That's why so many porn companies outsourced porn production. Barely Legal could never find the amount of Babes I could. I'm just 1 of 100 or 200 shooters all working the same way.

DWB · 10-05-2012, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by CamBoss

I wonder if other agencies are worried

They should be.

digitalfantasies · 10-05-2012, 03:23 PM

I heard this first from you

RevSand · 10-05-2012, 03:46 PM

I had heard of the talks with other agencies sometime back. I still would not be surprised if they took a piece of one of the bigger ones sooner then later. They will not DIRECTLY own it but will invest enough to control it. Think FSC and Cutting Edge..

PornMD · 10-05-2012, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by pornlaw

Under the Talent Agencies Act it would be a conflict of interest...

California Labor Code section 1700.40;

So if they only referred talent to their competitors, they would be okay? Maybe the purpose is to make it a talentLESS agency and try to get competitors using their shitty talent while they're still buyers of good talent everyone has been throwing their way for a while now.

That or the more likely case, for actual really good talent, they'll say "sorry, we can't accept you as a client. *wink*", then next week they "somehow" get a contract with Manwin.

Nice to see in this thread at least that some more people have stopped kissing their ass.

DWB · 10-05-2012, 04:04 PM

User uploaded models.

Case closed.

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Originally Posted by pornlaw

Under the Talent Agencies Act it would be a conflict of interest...

California Labor Code section 1700.40;

Surly their team of lawyers would have known this. Can't they get around it by sending talent to directors who do not work for Manwin, but rather for themselves, who in turn just happen to sell scenes to Manwin?

There is always a rope-a-dope way.

Robbie · 10-05-2012, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB

Surly their team of lawyers would have known this. Can't they get around it by sending talent to directors who do not work for Manwin, but rather for themselves, who in turn just happen to sell scenes to Manwin?

There is always a rope-a-dope way.

Exactly. They studied this beforehand and already have a way around it.

Besides, California isn't going to be where the porn industry is anyway if this condom law stands.
So the talent agencies in L.A. will be pretty useless.

mikesouth · 10-05-2012, 04:12 PM

A lot of people outside Cali would benefit if the condom law passes.

mikesouth · 10-05-2012, 04:13 PM

BTW Im hearing that manwin is again moving on Naughty America.

Robbie · 10-05-2012, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by mikesouth

BTW Im hearing that manwin is again moving on Naughty America.

I would think that would be the last big target for them.

pornlaw · 10-05-2012, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by PornMD

So if they only referred talent to their competitors, they would be okay? Maybe the purpose is to make it a talentLESS agency and try to get competitors using their shitty talent while they're still buyers of good talent everyone has been throwing their way for a while now.

That or the more likely case, for actual really good talent, they'll say "sorry, we can't accept you as a client. *wink*", then next week they "somehow" get a contract with Manwin.

Nice to see in this thread at least that some more people have stopped kissing their ass.

It is an inherent conflict of the fiduciary duty owed by the agent to the talent - in simple terms they have to be working in the best interest of their talent at all times.

Is this one simple rule currently being violated by many of the agents - yes. Can they have their licensed pulled/suspended for it - yes. Does anyone bring these cases - no.

This isnt a first. And I believe there are other production companies with current talent agencies divisions/ownership. Another production company had owned a talent agency a few years back. What he did was simple every time he shot his own girls he paid them more than their rate. None of them could complain he was not working in their best interest.

But the potential is there for a huge problem as most of you can see. Can it be handle in a manner that doesnt create a conflict - absolutely.

The question is will be it done in such a manner.

Qbert · 10-05-2012, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by pornlaw

...The question is will be it done in such a manner.

Most probably yes, initially. Once the competition is all but gone, the game changes.

Kovachi · 10-05-2012, 04:28 PM

mikesouth is butt hurt over Manwin again?

robwod · 10-05-2012, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I would think that would be the last big target for them.

They may as well. It's isn't like it was not blatantly obvious that the NA niche sites were an, umm, "inspiration" to Mansef's sites at one point.

While it would be a shame to lose NA as a real sponsor, there's still some great larger programs out there to work with, such as Pimproll and Topbucks, among others. And I'd be quite surprised to see either one of those going to Manwin.

10-05-2012, 09:41 AM	#1
mikesouth Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: My High Horse Posts: 6,334	You Heard It First From me Manwin To Open Talent Agency in L.A. from http://www.mikesouth.com Fabian is now going into the Talent Agent Business It will be run by Gianna Michaels, Gianna currently works simultaneously for both Reality Kings as a booker / production manager and also as an agent for the unlicensed and unbonded talent agency Valley Babes owned by Lee Bang. Gianna was a model for Lee throughout her own modeling career. The new agency will be housed at Reality Kings offices at: 1430 Strathern St, #K, Canoga Park, CA 91304 Manwin has had a small agency in South Florida for a while now and they have been trying to buy agencies in L.A. but nobody would sell to them. __________________ Mike South It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

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mikesouth Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: My High Horse Posts: 6,334	I would also look for changes in that office rather quickly considering Mike Moz and Monstars less than stellar performance as PR People at Digital Playground and that Moz used to work for Derek Hay at L.A. Direct I would expect him to be moved pretty quickly. __________________ Mike South It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

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Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,959	That's pretty funny. So now Manwin is almost the only game in town for production already. Talent will have to go to Manwin's Talent Agency and pay them a percentage to be booked to work for Manwin's Porn Companies and of course be tested by Manwin's STD testing center. And then the entire porn industry will be run out of Los Angeles (as is already happening) and Manwin will own a bunch of empty buildings. lol __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

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