mineistaken

Do you prefer your country's resources sent to these people:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Z5tqH...eature=related
so that they could breed and drag your country down in even bigger numbers
Or do you prefer to stop encouraging such behavior and funnel country's money to better causes than welfare?

Seriously, if you are decent citizen why would you vote democrats? Except gays of course

I am not from US and not trolling, genuinely interested.

DraX

Yea those people are leeches but that's not the whole story.

What about families, individuals that lost their job or got crushed by the recession and TRULY should get some benefits/help.

You are simplifying politics it's not just black & white as in being a democrat or republican, being decent or not.

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helterskelter808

Obviously you're trolling, and it's not even a new troll, just a repeat of your other thread, so don't waste keystrokes saying otherwise. And if you're not from the US, why are you using US spelling?

mineistaken

Obviously I am not saying that all of people are like that. But pretty big percentage, what would you say? 20%? 40%?

And also main point of what I am saying is that welfare should not be encouraged, lets cut it by 1% each year (or something). Take Singapore, they almost does not have welfare, almost everybody works, because they do not encourage being on welfare. And their country does more than great. I am not saying US should cut it at all, but at least stop increasing it...

mozadek

You convinced me, I am voting for Ron Paul.

mineistaken

This thread is a repeat of the POST in my other thread, side topic of that thread. That thread was about different thing and only later I checked into this thing. And this thing is interesting to me so I created this thread. As simple as that.
What do you mean by US spelling? This is English speaking forum so I use English letters, not sure what you mean by that..

mineistaken

Unfortunately he does not run in this election.
Better post why would you vote for Obama (if you are black or gay you may not post as its clear why you vote for him anyways. I am interested why decent American and valuable citizen who pays taxes would vote democrat)

helterskelter808

It's quite obvious what I mean. English spellings that are used in the country that is known as the United States.

Perhaps you are unaware that outside the US people use different spellings that you do, being an American and living in the US.

mineistaken

Is that compliment to my English? because I am pretty sure I do not write that well so you obviously can tell that I am not American.

kane

Here is something you are forgetting

https://home-in-singapore.sg/Default.aspx?tabid=1794

According to this in 1954 25% of Singapore's population lived in slums. The government decided to do something about it so they stepped in and built 44,000 homes and let the people live in them. That is some serious welfare. . . but it worked.

mineistaken

Do you think it would work in US? I mean if all homeless would be given free housing?
hehe (no need to answer)

And Singapore is just an example, maybe extreme one, system is too good there, difficult to achieve that. But all I am saying is that welfare encouragement is never good for any country. So when I see successful people here claiming they will vote democrats I think - why? I am seriously looking forward to few replies from those people.

L-Pink

He gave me a free cell phone.

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Radical Bucks

Anyone who votes for Obama is a piece if shit, straight up.

mineistaken

47%

Harsh, I would not be that bold, but still your post has some merit

kane

The reality is that if Romney is elected little to nothing is going to change in the welfare system. There will always be people who figure out how to scam it and no president, senator or congressman is going to risk alienating a huge chunk of voters by suggesting mass change. There have been changes made to it and I think there will be more, but it won't be huge.

Could what happened in Singapore work here? Sure, if done correctly. There are huge chunks of houses in and around Detroit that are sitting empty. Why not fix them up and let people living in the ghetto move in there so they can have a house with a yard. Just make some rules. To live there you need to have a job and you can't get convicted of a felony. Help people find those jobs and get an education of some sort so they can get a decent paying job. Invest in them now in hopes that after a few years they will be on their own, out of the system and be productive members of society.

helterskelter808

What are you then? You write using American English and have an obsession with American politics, and what happens in America (US), that would be ridiculous for anyone who is not an American.

mineistaken

Like I said - little by little is also good.


Not a bad idea, definitely better than just hand out cheques (many of which are being wasted beer and weed lol). Instead of giving the fish, teach them to fish.

mineistaken

Obsession? You must be kidding me. My last thread was not much about politics, it was about racism. Then it turned out to be more about politics when I learned what kind of people vote for democrats. After that I created this thread to hear more opinions. Basically I am curious about ONE THING. That thing is - why do decent to successful citizens vote democrats. You can't call that an obsession even by a long shot. And its not even only American thing, if I see a decent citizen in any country voting for the party which is loved by lowlifes and trash I would ask - why?
To sum it up - its only one thing I am curious about, nothing much actually.

helterskelter808

You appear to have missed my question: Where are you from?

Rochard

I'm really confused - Did Obama create welfare? Or has it been around for a while... Because it seems to me like we've always had welfare.

People are on welfare - hello - ding dong - because of Bush.

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GrantMercury

What a stupid post. Not trolling?

Why vote GOP?

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Why? (This should be good).

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mineistaken

What, who said anything about the creation of welfare. I am merely saying that democrats are more pro welfare than republicans. And that is not a good thing for any country, for country's development.
Thats one of the biggest reasons why they get majority of trash citizens' votes.

Mr Pheer

We do not have a good candidate to vote for.

Only one that is bad, and another that is worse. Take your pick of which one is which, it does not matter.

helterskelter808

Find a map. Mark the countries with a welfare system. Mark the countries with poor/non-existent welfare system. Don't bother marking developed countries vs developing countries, because you just did. You are an idiot.

For the Nth time: Where are you from?

shinmusashi44

And Republicans are more pro war than Democrats. So hows that working out for the last 11 years. Lets not forget that the GOP is also anti-gay,anti-women rights,pro rich,anti science in most case,pro religion,far share or racist in the party and closed minded ass holes.

Those could be why some people don't vote Republicans

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Paul&John

heh the video represents the same situation here in the EU, only gypsies instead of blacks

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I have never been, nor never will be 'DECENT!"

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Robbie

THAT is the kind of thing that Obama SHOULD have done with that TRILLION dollar "stimulus"

It would have put people to work AND given people homes.

A trillion is a thousand billion...which is a thousand million. That could have built a lot of small houses, put a lot of people to work and fired up the economy all around.

But instead...just like always with thieving politicians...that TRILLION dollars went to his cronies and pretty much disappeared without helping anyone who wasn't a billionaire already.

But nobody holds baby Jesus Obama responsible for anything.

The media isn't asking questions about that. They are too busy "reporting" about Romney's personal taxes or a dog on his car 30 years ago, or bullying another kid 50 years ago.
You know, the important stuff.

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Paul Markham

20%? 40%? proof please.

So jobs go to Singapore and they cut unemployment.

Jobs that many Americans used to do. Got a better argument?

All long term unemployed should be given community work. Or no money.

So what should they do with the money?

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epitome

The welfare system won't go away with a Republican as red states consume a good chunk of the welfare benefits and tend to put less into Treasury than they take out.

DudeRick

The 47% want to keep their Obama phone!

Robbie

You got that right...I lived in South Carolina and it seemed like every other hillbilly redneck that lived there was getting a govt. check.

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Va2k

Or disabled head of house or single parents that works 2 sometimes 3 jobs that still can't afford to feed their kids?

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epitome

And the beauty of it is they'll all show up at a rally for a candidate that secretly loathes them.

When I see the stuff like what DudeRick posts above like above I get an image of him living in his little trailer getting by on government assistance while ranting about free cell phones for black people.

TheSquealer

That's cultural though. That doesn't work in a society of "hey man, just be yourself, we can't judge". The US has built many more homes for Alaska and American Natives and they are still shit holes... because society isn't standing there saying "if you live like an asshole, your name with will shamed for a 1000 generations.

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Robbie

You just described all candidates.

But you're right. I can't tell you how many dumbass rednecks I have met in my life who complain about welfare and hate black people and gay people and anyone who isn't just like them...and at the same time get govt. handouts themselves.

The politically incorrect word I use for them is: "White Trash"

When I was a kid in the 1960's living in central Florida they were all "Wallace Democrats" because they were racists and the Democrat party was home of the racists then. Now they are all Republicans...in name only, because they don't vote and they don't have any idea of what the real issues are. They just think that since Republicans are for smaller govt. and ending welfare that will mean it hurts black people.

In reality it shouldn't "hurt" black people or white trash. Those who are physically and mentally able to work should get a damn job (talking about when the economy recovers of course).

But I think that Romney does loath those pieces of shit. So does Obama. And for that matter...so do I.

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Best-In-BC

The most idiotic part of this thread is the idea that it makes a diffrence

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helterskelter808

^ Yep. It's not why vote Obama, it's why vote at all. Arguing as if the two brands are any different is an even bigger waste of time than voting for either of them.

Robbie

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Matt 26z

The handling of impoverished blacks in the US is a sticky situation and one that few outside of the US can understand. They received a poor education growing up, many weren't raised right and few have desirable career skills. Cutting off their welfare and forcing them to work is not an option when there are no jobs for them. All they have is their welfare. That's why so many have turned to crime to get ahead.

Illegal immigration by Mexicans has also put a strain on the employment rate of black people. With Mexicans working the farms, construction and much of the service industry, the bar for employment has now been raised for blacks. And without much of an education or work history, they are out of luck.

helterskelter808

Unfortunately, until the 'one-more-party-than-Nazi-Germany' system is eradicated (which it won't be, because that's not in the interests of the 'two' parties), Gary Johnson is nothing more than a symbolic vote.

The only possible way other parties, or rather the American people, can have a chance of power is with a different electoral system, based on a form of proportional representation, the fairest political system, used in most of the democratic world.

Until that day comes, voting is a waste of time.

Robbie

Only because most people are led to think like that. If enough people stopped being led like sheep and actually voted for the guy who they think will do the best job then that will change.

I'm voting for Johnson. I consider any other vote to be a wasted vote

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Rochard

What makes one party more "pro welfare" than the other?

Seems to me that eight years of a Republican White House brought the US (and the rest of the world really) to it's knees, and now the general population is much more needier than before.

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kane

Yep. Also, Bush and the republicans controlled the house, senate and white house for 6 of his 8 years in office. If they really wanted to change welfare they could have done it then.

mineistaken

What the fuck are you talking about? Most of the countries, at least developed ones, has welfare system. Its inevitable. I am merely talking about welfare encouragement what US democrats seems to do. And they encourage that because they need those trash citizens' votes.

mineistaken

These trash are everywhere. Some political parties cater to their votes and usually decent citizens of these countries do not vote for those parties.

mineistaken

I was ASKING what is the number, not claiming.

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