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  • mineistaken
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    • Apr 2007
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    #1

    Question to US people, if you are decent citizen why do you vote for Obama?

    Do you prefer your country's resources sent to these people:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5tqH...eature=related
    so that they could breed and drag your country down in even bigger numbers
    Or do you prefer to stop encouraging such behavior and funnel country's money to better causes than welfare?

    Seriously, if you are decent citizen why would you vote democrats? Except gays of course

    I am not from US and not trolling, genuinely interested.
    Last edited by mineistaken; 10-04-2012, 03:23 PM.
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    • DraX
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      • Oct 2002
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      Yea those people are leeches but that's not the whole story.

      What about families, individuals that lost their job or got crushed by the recession and TRULY should get some benefits/help.

      You are simplifying politics it's not just black & white as in being a democrat or republican, being decent or not.
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        • helterskelter808
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          #3
          Obviously you're trolling, and it's not even a new troll, just a repeat of your other thread, so don't waste keystrokes saying otherwise. And if you're not from the US, why are you using US spelling?

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            • mineistaken
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              • Apr 2007
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              #4
              Originally posted by DraX
              Yea those people are leeches but that's not the whole story.

              What about families, individuals that lost their job or got crushed by the recession and TRULY should get some benefits/help.

              You are simplifying politics it's not just black & white as in being a democrat or republican, being decent or not.
              Obviously I am not saying that all of people are like that. But pretty big percentage, what would you say? 20%? 40%?

              And also main point of what I am saying is that welfare should not be encouraged, lets cut it by 1% each year (or something). Take Singapore, they almost does not have welfare, almost everybody works, because they do not encourage being on welfare. And their country does more than great. I am not saying US should cut it at all, but at least stop increasing it...
              Last edited by mineistaken; 10-04-2012, 04:29 PM.

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                • mozadek
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                  • Feb 2008
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                  #5
                  Originally posted by mineistaken
                  Do you prefer your country's resources sent to these people:
                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5tqH...eature=related
                  so that they could breed and drag your country down in even bigger numbers
                  Or do you prefer to stop encouraging such behavior and funnel country's money to better causes than welfare?

                  Seriously, if you are decent citizen why would you vote democrats? Except gays of course

                  I am not from US and not trolling, genuinely interested.
                  You convinced me, I am voting for Ron Paul.

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                    • mineistaken
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                      • Apr 2007
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                      #6
                      Originally posted by helterskelter808
                      Obviously you're trolling, and it's not even a new troll, just a repeat of your other thread, so don't waste keystrokes saying otherwise. And if you're not from the US, why are you using US spelling?
                      This thread is a repeat of the POST in my other thread, side topic of that thread. That thread was about different thing and only later I checked into this thing. And this thing is interesting to me so I created this thread. As simple as that.
                      What do you mean by US spelling? This is English speaking forum so I use English letters, not sure what you mean by that..
                      Last edited by mineistaken; 10-04-2012, 04:31 PM.

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                        • mineistaken
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                          • Apr 2007
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                          #7
                          Originally posted by mozadek
                          You convinced me, I am voting for Ron Paul.
                          Unfortunately he does not run in this election.
                          Better post why would you vote for Obama (if you are black or gay you may not post as its clear why you vote for him anyways. I am interested why decent American and valuable citizen who pays taxes would vote democrat)
                          Last edited by mineistaken; 10-04-2012, 04:34 PM.

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                            • helterskelter808
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                              • Sep 2010
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                              #8
                              It's quite obvious what I mean. English spellings that are used in the country that is known as the United States.

                              Perhaps you are unaware that outside the US people use different spellings that you do, being an American and living in the US.

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                                • mineistaken
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                                  • Apr 2007
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                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by helterskelter808
                                  It's quite obvious what I mean. English spellings that are used in the country that is known as the United States.

                                  Perhaps you are unaware that outside the US people use different spellings that you do, being an American and living in the US.
                                  Is that compliment to my English? because I am pretty sure I do not write that well so you obviously can tell that I am not American.

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                                    • kane
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                                      • Aug 2001
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                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by mineistaken
                                      Obviously I am not saying that all of people are like that. But pretty big percentage, what would you say? 20%? 40%?

                                      And also main point of what I am saying is that welfare should not be encouraged, lets cut it by 1% each year (or something). Take Singapore, they almost does not have welfare, almost everybody works, because they do not encourage being on welfare. And their country does more than great. I am not saying US should cut it at all, but at least stop increasing it...
                                      Here is something you are forgetting

                                      https://home-in-singapore.sg/Default.aspx?tabid=1794

                                      According to this in 1954 25% of Singapore's population lived in slums. The government decided to do something about it so they stepped in and built 44,000 homes and let the people live in them. That is some serious welfare. . . but it worked.

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                                        • mineistaken
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                                          • Apr 2007
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                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by kane
                                          Here is something you are forgetting

                                          https://home-in-singapore.sg/Default.aspx?tabid=1794

                                          According to this in 1954 25% of Singapore's population lived in slums. The government decided to do something about it so they stepped in and built 44,000 homes and let the people live in them. That is some serious welfare. . . but it worked.
                                          Do you think it would work in US? I mean if all homeless would be given free housing?
                                          hehe (no need to answer)

                                          And Singapore is just an example, maybe extreme one, system is too good there, difficult to achieve that. But all I am saying is that welfare encouragement is never good for any country. So when I see successful people here claiming they will vote democrats I think - why? I am seriously looking forward to few replies from those people.
                                          Last edited by mineistaken; 10-04-2012, 05:16 PM.

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                                            • L-Pink
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                                              #12
                                              He gave me a free cell phone.

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                                                • Radical Bucks
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                                                  #13
                                                  Anyone who votes for Obama is a piece if shit, straight up.

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                                                    • mineistaken
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                                                      • Apr 2007
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                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by L-Pink
                                                      He gave me a free cell phone.
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                                                      Originally posted by Radical Bucks
                                                      Anyone who votes for Obama is a piece if shit, straight up.
                                                      Harsh, I would not be that bold, but still your post has some merit

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                                                        • kane
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                                                          • Aug 2001
                                                          • 20684
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by mineistaken
                                                          Do you think it would work in US? I mean if all homeless would be given free housing?
                                                          hehe (no need to answer)

                                                          And Singapore is just an example, maybe extreme one, system is too good there, difficult to achieve that. But all I am saying is that welfare encouragement is never good for any country. So when I see successful people here claiming they will vote democrats I think - why? I am seriously looking forward to few replies from those people.
                                                          The reality is that if Romney is elected little to nothing is going to change in the welfare system. There will always be people who figure out how to scam it and no president, senator or congressman is going to risk alienating a huge chunk of voters by suggesting mass change. There have been changes made to it and I think there will be more, but it won't be huge.

                                                          Could what happened in Singapore work here? Sure, if done correctly. There are huge chunks of houses in and around Detroit that are sitting empty. Why not fix them up and let people living in the ghetto move in there so they can have a house with a yard. Just make some rules. To live there you need to have a job and you can't get convicted of a felony. Help people find those jobs and get an education of some sort so they can get a decent paying job. Invest in them now in hopes that after a few years they will be on their own, out of the system and be productive members of society.

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                                                            • helterskelter808
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                                                              • Sep 2010
                                                              • 3405
                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by mineistaken
                                                              Is that compliment to my English? because I am pretty sure I do not write that well so you obviously can tell that I am not American.
                                                              What are you then? You write using American English and have an obsession with American politics, and what happens in America (US), that would be ridiculous for anyone who is not an American.

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                                                                • mineistaken
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                                                                  • Apr 2007
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                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by kane
                                                                  The reality is that if Romney is elected little to nothing is going to change in the welfare system. There will always be people who figure out how to scam it and no president, senator or congressman is going to risk alienating a huge chunk of voters by suggesting mass change. There have been changes made to it and I think there will be more, but it won't be huge.
                                                                  Like I said - little by little is also good.


                                                                  Originally posted by kane
                                                                  Could what happened in Singapore work here? Sure, if done correctly. There are huge chunks of houses in and around Detroit that are sitting empty. Why not fix them up and let people living in the ghetto move in there so they can have a house with a yard. Just make some rules. To live there you need to have a job and you can't get convicted of a felony. Help people find those jobs and get an education of some sort so they can get a decent paying job. Invest in them now in hopes that after a few years they will be on their own, out of the system and be productive members of society.
                                                                  Not a bad idea, definitely better than just hand out cheques (many of which are being wasted beer and weed lol). Instead of giving the fish, teach them to fish.

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                                                                    • mineistaken
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                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by helterskelter808
                                                                      What are you then? You write using American English and have an obsession with American politics, and what happens in America (US), that would be ridiculous for anyone who is not an American.
                                                                      Obsession? You must be kidding me. My last thread was not much about politics, it was about racism. Then it turned out to be more about politics when I learned what kind of people vote for democrats. After that I created this thread to hear more opinions. Basically I am curious about ONE THING. That thing is - why do decent to successful citizens vote democrats. You can't call that an obsession even by a long shot. And its not even only American thing, if I see a decent citizen in any country voting for the party which is loved by lowlifes and trash I would ask - why?
                                                                      To sum it up - its only one thing I am curious about, nothing much actually.

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                                                                        • helterskelter808
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                                                                          • Sep 2010
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                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by mineistaken
                                                                          Obsession? You must be kidding me. My last thread was not much about politics, it was about racism. Then it turned out to be more about politics when I learned what kind of people vote for democrats. After that I created this thread to hear more opinions. Basically I am curious about ONE THING. That thing is - why do decent to successful citizens vote democrats. You can't call that an obsession even by a long shot. And its not even only American thing, if I see a decent citizen in any country voting for the party which is loved by lowlifes and trash I would ask - why?
                                                                          To sum it up - its only one thing I am curious about, nothing much actually.
                                                                          You appear to have missed my question: Where are you from?

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                                                                            • Rochard
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                                                                              #20
                                                                              I'm really confused - Did Obama create welfare? Or has it been around for a while... Because it seems to me like we've always had welfare.

                                                                              People are on welfare - hello - ding dong - because of Bush.
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                                                                                • GrantMercury
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                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by mineistaken
                                                                                  Do you prefer your country's resources sent to these people:
                                                                                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5tqH...eature=related
                                                                                  so that they could breed and drag your country down in even bigger numbers
                                                                                  Or do you prefer to stop encouraging such behavior and funnel country's money to better causes than welfare?

                                                                                  Seriously, if you are decent citizen why would you vote democrats? Except gays of course

                                                                                  I am not from US and not trolling, genuinely interested.
                                                                                  What a stupid post. Not trolling?

                                                                                  Why vote GOP?

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                                                                                    • GrantMercury
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                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by Radical Bucks
                                                                                      Anyone who votes for Obama is a piece if shit, straight up.
                                                                                      Why? (This should be good).
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                                                                                        • mineistaken
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                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by Rochard
                                                                                          I'm really confused - Did Obama create welfare? Or has it been around for a while... Because it seems to me like we've always had welfare.

                                                                                          People are on welfare - hello - ding dong - because of Bush.
                                                                                          What, who said anything about the creation of welfare. I am merely saying that democrats are more pro welfare than republicans. And that is not a good thing for any country, for country's development.
                                                                                          Thats one of the biggest reasons why they get majority of trash citizens' votes.
                                                                                          Last edited by mineistaken; 10-06-2012, 07:46 AM.

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                                                                                            • Mr Pheer
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                                                                                              • Dec 2002
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                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              We do not have a good candidate to vote for.

                                                                                              Only one that is bad, and another that is worse. Take your pick of which one is which, it does not matter.

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                                                                                                • helterskelter808
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                                                                                                  • Sep 2010
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                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by mineistaken
                                                                                                  What, who said anything about the creation of welfare. I am merely saying that democrats are more pro welfare than republicans. And that is not a good thing for any country, for country's development.
                                                                                                  Find a map. Mark the countries with a welfare system. Mark the countries with poor/non-existent welfare system. Don't bother marking developed countries vs developing countries, because you just did. You are an idiot.

                                                                                                  For the Nth time: Where are you from?

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                                                                                                    • shinmusashi44
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                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by mineistaken
                                                                                                      What, who said anything about the creation of welfare. I am merely saying that democrats are more pro welfare than republicans. And that is not a good thing for any country, for country's development.
                                                                                                      Thats one of the biggest reasons why they get majority of trash citizens' votes.
                                                                                                      And Republicans are more pro war than Democrats. So hows that working out for the last 11 years. Lets not forget that the GOP is also anti-gay,anti-women rights,pro rich,anti science in most case,pro religion,far share or racist in the party and closed minded ass holes.

                                                                                                      Those could be why some people don't vote Republicans
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                                                                                                            • CurrentlySober
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                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              I have never been, nor never will be 'DECENT!"


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                                                                                                                • Robbie
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                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by kane
                                                                                                                  Here is something you are forgetting

                                                                                                                  https://home-in-singapore.sg/Default.aspx?tabid=1794

                                                                                                                  According to this in 1954 25% of Singapore's population lived in slums. The government decided to do something about it so they stepped in and built 44,000 homes and let the people live in them. That is some serious welfare. . . but it worked.
                                                                                                                  THAT is the kind of thing that Obama SHOULD have done with that TRILLION dollar "stimulus"

                                                                                                                  It would have put people to work AND given people homes.

                                                                                                                  A trillion is a thousand billion...which is a thousand million. That could have built a lot of small houses, put a lot of people to work and fired up the economy all around.

                                                                                                                  But instead...just like always with thieving politicians...that TRILLION dollars went to his cronies and pretty much disappeared without helping anyone who wasn't a billionaire already.

                                                                                                                  But nobody holds baby Jesus Obama responsible for anything.

                                                                                                                  The media isn't asking questions about that. They are too busy "reporting" about Romney's personal taxes or a dog on his car 30 years ago, or bullying another kid 50 years ago.
                                                                                                                  You know, the important stuff.
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                                                                                                                        • Paul Markham
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                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by mineistaken
                                                                                                                          Obviously I am not saying that all of people are like that. But pretty big percentage, what would you say? 20%? 40%?

                                                                                                                          And also main point of what I am saying is that welfare should not be encouraged, lets cut it by 1% each year (or something). Take Singapore, they almost does not have welfare, almost everybody works, because they do not encourage being on welfare. And their country does more than great. I am not saying US should cut it at all, but at least stop increasing it...
                                                                                                                          20%? 40%? proof please.

                                                                                                                          So jobs go to Singapore and they cut unemployment.

                                                                                                                          Jobs that many Americans used to do. Got a better argument?

                                                                                                                          All long term unemployed should be given community work. Or no money.

                                                                                                                          So what should they do with the money?



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                                                                                                                            • epitome
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                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              The welfare system won't go away with a Republican as red states consume a good chunk of the welfare benefits and tend to put less into Treasury than they take out.

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                                                                                                                                • DudeRick
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                                                                                                                                  The 47% want to keep their Obama phone!

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                                                                                                                                    • Robbie
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                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by epitome
                                                                                                                                      The welfare system won't go away with a Republican as red states consume a good chunk of the welfare benefits and tend to put less into Treasury than they take out.
                                                                                                                                      You got that right...I lived in South Carolina and it seemed like every other hillbilly redneck that lived there was getting a govt. check.
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                                                                                                                                        • Va2k
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                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by DraX
                                                                                                                                          Yea those people are leeches but that's not the whole story.

                                                                                                                                          What about families, individuals that lost their job or got crushed by the recession and TRULY should get some benefits/help.

                                                                                                                                          You are simplifying politics it's not just black & white as in being a democrat or republican, being decent or not.
                                                                                                                                          Or disabled head of house or single parents that works 2 sometimes 3 jobs that still can't afford to feed their kids?

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                                                                                                                                            • epitome
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                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Robbie
                                                                                                                                              You got that right...I lived in South Carolina and it seemed like every other hillbilly redneck that lived there was getting a govt. check.
                                                                                                                                              And the beauty of it is they'll all show up at a rally for a candidate that secretly loathes them.

                                                                                                                                              When I see the stuff like what DudeRick posts above like above I get an image of him living in his little trailer getting by on government assistance while ranting about free cell phones for black people.

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                                                                                                                                                • TheSquealer
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                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by mineistaken
                                                                                                                                                  Do you think it would work in US? I mean if all homeless would be given free housing?
                                                                                                                                                  hehe (no need to answer)

                                                                                                                                                  And Singapore is just an example, maybe extreme one, system is too good there, difficult to achieve that. But all I am saying is that welfare encouragement is never good for any country. So when I see successful people here claiming they will vote democrats I think - why? I am seriously looking forward to few replies from those people.
                                                                                                                                                  That's cultural though. That doesn't work in a society of "hey man, just be yourself, we can't judge". The US has built many more homes for Alaska and American Natives and they are still shit holes... because society isn't standing there saying "if you live like an asshole, your name with will shamed for a 1000 generations.

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                                                                                                                                                  Yes, fewer illegal immigrants working equates to more job opportunities for American citizens.

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                                                                                                                                                    • Robbie
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                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by epitome
                                                                                                                                                      And the beauty of it is they'll all show up at a rally for a candidate that secretly loathes them.
                                                                                                                                                      You just described all candidates.

                                                                                                                                                      But you're right. I can't tell you how many dumbass rednecks I have met in my life who complain about welfare and hate black people and gay people and anyone who isn't just like them...and at the same time get govt. handouts themselves.

                                                                                                                                                      The politically incorrect word I use for them is: "White Trash"

                                                                                                                                                      When I was a kid in the 1960's living in central Florida they were all "Wallace Democrats" because they were racists and the Democrat party was home of the racists then. Now they are all Republicans...in name only, because they don't vote and they don't have any idea of what the real issues are. They just think that since Republicans are for smaller govt. and ending welfare that will mean it hurts black people.

                                                                                                                                                      In reality it shouldn't "hurt" black people or white trash. Those who are physically and mentally able to work should get a damn job (talking about when the economy recovers of course).

                                                                                                                                                      But I think that Romney does loath those pieces of shit. So does Obama. And for that matter...so do I.
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                                                                                                                                                        • Best-In-BC
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                                                                                                                                                          The most idiotic part of this thread is the idea that it makes a diffrence
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                                                                                                                                                            • helterskelter808
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                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              ^ Yep. It's not why vote Obama, it's why vote at all. Arguing as if the two brands are any different is an even bigger waste of time than voting for either of them.

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                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by helterskelter808
                                                                                                                                                                  ^ Yep. It's not why vote Obama, it's why vote at all. Arguing as if the two brands are any different is an even bigger waste of time than voting for either of them.
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                                                                                                                                                                    • Matt 26z
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                                                                                                                                                                      • Apr 2002
                                                                                                                                                                      • 18481
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by mineistaken
                                                                                                                                                                      I am not from US and not trolling, genuinely interested.
                                                                                                                                                                      The handling of impoverished blacks in the US is a sticky situation and one that few outside of the US can understand. They received a poor education growing up, many weren't raised right and few have desirable career skills. Cutting off their welfare and forcing them to work is not an option when there are no jobs for them. All they have is their welfare. That's why so many have turned to crime to get ahead.

                                                                                                                                                                      Illegal immigration by Mexicans has also put a strain on the employment rate of black people. With Mexicans working the farms, construction and much of the service industry, the bar for employment has now been raised for blacks. And without much of an education or work history, they are out of luck.

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                                                                                                                                                                        • helterskelter808
                                                                                                                                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                          • Sep 2010
                                                                                                                                                                          • 3405
                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Robbie
                                                                                                                                                                          http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/
                                                                                                                                                                          Unfortunately, until the 'one-more-party-than-Nazi-Germany' system is eradicated (which it won't be, because that's not in the interests of the 'two' parties), Gary Johnson is nothing more than a symbolic vote.

                                                                                                                                                                          The only possible way other parties, or rather the American people, can have a chance of power is with a different electoral system, based on a form of proportional representation, the fairest political system, used in most of the democratic world.

                                                                                                                                                                          Until that day comes, voting is a waste of time.
                                                                                                                                                                          Last edited by helterskelter808; 10-06-2012, 03:51 PM.

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                                                                                                                                                                            • Robbie
                                                                                                                                                                              Leaner, Meaner, Faster
                                                                                                                                                                              • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                                                                              • 20960
                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by helterskelter808
                                                                                                                                                                              Gary Johnson is nothing more than a symbolic vote.
                                                                                                                                                                              Only because most people are led to think like that. If enough people stopped being led like sheep and actually voted for the guy who they think will do the best job then that will change.

                                                                                                                                                                              I'm voting for Johnson. I consider any other vote to be a wasted vote
                                                                                                                                                                              -Robbie
                                                                                                                                                                              ClaudiaMarie.Com

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                                                                                                                                                                                • Rochard
                                                                                                                                                                                  Jägermeister Test Pilot
                                                                                                                                                                                  • Dec 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                  • 75733
                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by mineistaken
                                                                                                                                                                                  What, who said anything about the creation of welfare. I am merely saying that democrats are more pro welfare than republicans. And that is not a good thing for any country, for country's development.
                                                                                                                                                                                  Thats one of the biggest reasons why they get majority of trash citizens' votes.
                                                                                                                                                                                  What makes one party more "pro welfare" than the other?

                                                                                                                                                                                  Seems to me that eight years of a Republican White House brought the US (and the rest of the world really) to it's knees, and now the general population is much more needier than before.
                                                                                                                                                                                  Herschel Savage
                                                                                                                                                                                  Brooklyn, NY

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                                                                                                                                                                                    • kane
                                                                                                                                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                                      • Aug 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                      • 20684
                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Rochard
                                                                                                                                                                                      What makes one party more "pro welfare" than the other?

                                                                                                                                                                                      Seems to me that eight years of a Republican White House brought the US (and the rest of the world really) to it's knees, and now the general population is much more needier than before.
                                                                                                                                                                                      Yep. Also, Bush and the republicans controlled the house, senate and white house for 6 of his 8 years in office. If they really wanted to change welfare they could have done it then.

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                                                                                                                                                                                        • mineistaken
                                                                                                                                                                                          See signature :)
                                                                                                                                                                                          • Apr 2007
                                                                                                                                                                                          • 29656
                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by helterskelter808
                                                                                                                                                                                          Find a map. Mark the countries with a welfare system. Mark the countries with poor/non-existent welfare system. Don't bother marking developed countries vs developing countries, because you just did. You are an idiot.

                                                                                                                                                                                          For the Nth time: Where are you from?
                                                                                                                                                                                          What the fuck are you talking about? Most of the countries, at least developed ones, has welfare system. Its inevitable. I am merely talking about welfare encouragement what US democrats seems to do. And they encourage that because they need those trash citizens' votes.

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                                                                                                                                                                                            • mineistaken
                                                                                                                                                                                              See signature :)
                                                                                                                                                                                              • Apr 2007
                                                                                                                                                                                              • 29656
                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Paul&John
                                                                                                                                                                                              heh the video represents the same situation here in the EU, only gypsies instead of blacks
                                                                                                                                                                                              These trash are everywhere. Some political parties cater to their votes and usually decent citizens of these countries do not vote for those parties.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                • mineistaken
                                                                                                                                                                                                  See signature :)
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Apr 2007
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • 29656
                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                                                                                                                                                  20%? 40%? proof please.
                                                                                                                                                                                                  I was ASKING what is the number, not claiming.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • CyberHustler
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Masterbaiter
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Feb 2006
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • 28739
                                                                                                                                                                                                      #50
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by 2012
                                                                                                                                                                                                      There's an old saying in Tennessee ? I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee ? that says, fool me once, shame on ? shame on you. Fool me ? you can't get fooled again.
                                                                                                                                                                                                      “If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”

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