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Wild Stuff!





https://youtube.com/watch?v=H1wd4skmBDU

DudeRick

Does that give you an anti government chubby?

Captain Kawaii

Thanks for the link. NPR sure as hell is not taking about it this afternoon.

Robbie

I'm hoping that this doesn't happen in the U.S. when we finally run out of credit to keep borrowing money and the govt. faucet gets shut off here too.

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DudeRick

Thats what happens when you allow government dependency to run amuck...

CyberHustler

Bring back Al-Andalus

Robbie

Once you give people stuff...it's hard to stop that.

They are naturally not gonna like it. It's a shame the world has ended up this way.

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garce

Anything anti-any-government should give you a chubby. They've outworn their welcome. They abuse their authority. From top to bottom they are corrupt. Every government. Everywhere.

No-one becomes a politician to serve. People become politicians for the perqs and the pension. That is all. Maybe when they're young they have vague dream. That dream dies really, really fast once reality hits them.

I'm not paranoid - its the truth. Public service is a joke. It does not exist outside of a few charitable organizations. Personal service is the reality. And I don't even care.

In Canada we have low-level, unelected bureaucrats with better pay, better pensions, better benefits, and more authority than most judges. Judges in Canada do not have the authority to overturn ANY decision made by ANY level of government above municipal.

Brujah

Nothing about it on DrudgeReport? Must be fake.

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EonBlue

Exactly. Chickens coming home to roost.

- Jesus Christ -

Is it just me or does that reporter seem like he's prompting the chanting?
Cute little cheap shot at "anarchists" as well.

Fucking media is a joke.

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v4 media

Actually not really given stuff.
For healthcare/small pension I have to pay around $300 a month

I cant opt out, even if I only earned say $500 a month I would still have to pay $300.

But as the governments skint cause they've spunked cash on shit, they've changed the rules. I now have to pay for medicines and have to work longer to get a pension.

No one has given me anything. In fact I've been to the doctors once in the past 10 years, and I will never get a pension here as I wont have been here the 40 years minimum you now have to pay. so my one doctors visit has cost me.... $36,000

It does also cover unemployment benefit, but as I'm self employed, I get alot less than being employed, even though I pay the same.... stupid rules.

Robbie

I meant no offense to you. It's the govt.'s fault for making too many promises to too many people. The promises they made can't be paid for...but they did it to get people to vote for them.

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pornmasta

same shit here.
I have to pay for "solidarity" and help other people to make children.
I'm curious to know who is solidary with me (at least in my region)

v4 media

Not offended in the slightest, luckily I dont have to rely on them.

Spain used to be a poor country, people accepted what they had and got on with it.
Easy/low credit made people/government borrow more than they could afford.

Also unemployment is always stupidly high, however when the building boom started 5 million South Americans got work visas.

Trouble with that is, they worked for 2-3 years got made unemployed so they get benefits, the cost of health/schooling on their families has ended up costing the country a fortune, even though they're buggered here they wont go home because they know they'll be more buggered there.

Not being anti immigrant as I am one myself here, but anyone could see the stupidity of having 10%+ employment (now 25%) and bringing in 10% of the populations worth of foreign labor.

pornmasta

say the same thing in France and you are named "racist" (10% of unemployment rate here)

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pornmasta

this is basically what happens when there is not enough money to do something:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecce_Ho...Mart%C3%ADnez)

grumpy

Luckily you all will have guns and willing to use it.

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topnotch, standup guy

As amazing as this may sound, some of them would prefer decent jobs.

Seriously.

I kid you not.

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Vendzilla

Robbie, that doesn't scare me near as much as this scares me

-EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.
-EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.
-EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.
-EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.
-EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.
-EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.
-EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all people.
-EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.
-EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.
-EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.
-EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049 assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period.
-EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.
-EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.
-EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921 allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. Financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months.

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

DudeRick

Here are you Spanish hero's troll...

Captain Kawaii

Lots of troops coming home from Afghan...with not much to do.

Americans will be arrested and jailed en masse for their protection and public safety, quote unquote.

Captain Kawaii

Welcome to George Orwell's World in 2012. We are preparing to leave to an undisclosed foreign location. While we still can.

DWB

Three things that are going to cause a shit storm in the USA:

1) Entitlements are stopped. When the poor can no longer suck the tit of the government and their welfare checks stop, all hell is breaking loose and it's going to start in the ghettos of every city.

2) If there is a run on the banks. At this rate and direction, a dollar crash is inevitable. When that happens and people can't get their money from the banks, or finally understand that it is worthless, all hell is going to break loose.

3) Apple closes.

Failed

I'll never understand why people believe the poor are the cause of government collapse, the reason for a poor economy, or why we're so massively in debt. Those on welfare account for barely a drop in the bucket. Our corrupt politicians spend us into bankruptcy and beyond, blame the poor, and people believe them for some odd reason. All the hate is focused onto the wrong people and that's just the way they want it.

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DWB

They are not the reason for the problems. However, the entitlements they get (in the case of the USA) do not help the situation. It's just kicking an already severely injured leg.

DWB

Because sooner or later, the shit is going to hit the fan and they need all the power they can get to do whatever it takes to keep the masses under control. The government and military are planning for a worse case scenario. Some of the things my friend in the National Guard has been telling me is frightening. They are preparing for the worst.

12clicks

no, you're incorrect. we blame the poor because they don't pay taxes. if they did, their idiot vote would not go to bigger government spending.

Failed

So you believe if the poor paid taxes their vote would go to less government spending? Which candidate in history has ever taken office and decreased government spending?

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BFT3K

Wow, what are they preparing for? Wild stuff!

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all people.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049 assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921 allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. Financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months.

halfpint

Yep making coin from it I see Greece is also having protests again

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Robbie

The Federal Govt. is about as far away from the original concepts of the United States Of America as can be imagined.

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CaptainHowdy

It's just people ...

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Vendzilla

to be fair, some of these were passed by carter I believe, but it's been quietly going on for a while, Obama has added to it. He passed one that allows the Secret Service to arrest anyone on Federal Property or anyone they feel is endangering federal property, with out a need for any specific reason. Because of the Occupy movement

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

Best-In-BC

Oh yeah

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Robbie

In the case of Spain and Greece...what is the problem over there? Thanks to our power hungry politicians in the U.S. insisting on having an empire with the biggest military in the world....neither Greece nor Spain spends much on military do they?

So if their govt. doesn't spend much on military....then what DO they spend all their money on? Free healthcare? Entitlements?

Every economic analyst that I've seen on the news has said that those countries have simply promised more to people than could have ever been sustained.

Am I misinformed on that?

EDIT: And that doesn't make "the poor" the "cause of govt. collapse". It's the govt. that did it. From what the economic analysts said...the govt. over there has entitlement programs for EVERYONE. So the hard working people get it too (like healthcare and other benefits)

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TisMe

Just wait for Italy. They'll go soon and make Greece and Spain look peaceful in comparison.

crockett

Don't mind Robbie he's just spouting out typical right wing brain washing.. You know the usual.. no one works, everyone expects hand out.. yadda yadda yadda.. rich people are better..

Failed

From what I understand, the Greek government spent themselves into a huge amount of debt, more than 4 times that allowed under the EU treaty. This debt was created with the help of banks and a corrupt government through kickbacks and other payments. Pensions and other entitlement benefits for the upper class were much more damaging than those given to the "poor".

If I was rich and reaped the rewards of a corrupt government, I would blame it on the poor as well.

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Robbie

You didn't even read what I said.

You obviously never have and don't know me at all.

The only one who looks "brain washed" is you when you make these kind of assumptions based on your OWN rhetoric.

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BlackCrayon

corporate welfare sucks way more money out of the system than poor people welfare does...oh but they are 'job creators'...sure in third world countries maybe.

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Robbie

Are they blaming it on the "poor" over there?
I haven't seen that reported anywhere. What the analysts on CNN said (Ali Velshi's show) has been that the govt. made promises to the entire population that were simply unrealistic.

Isn't that what the Greek govt. did to spend themselves into that huge amount of debt? I'm just asking. From what you wrote it sounds like they spent a ton of money that they didn't have...but what are they spending it on?

If it's all the goodies they promised EVERYBODY (not the poor...EVERYBODY) then that is what I am saying.

When you promise people a bunch of stuff that you can't possibly deliver...they are going to be pissed off.

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Robbie

This discussion is about countries in Europe. Not the U.S.

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Failed

I'm not sure if they are blaming it on the poor over there. I was addressing those in this thread that blame such things on the poor welfare people when the real cause is usually those well above the poverty levels.

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Robbie

Personally...if we are talking about the U.S., I think that govt. handouts are a big problem. And getting worse.
And no, I don't mean to the "poor".

I mean the govt. passing bills to spend money it doesn't have for a million things it shouldn't be involved in.

Social Security is supposed to be our own money coming back to us for retirement. IF that was really the way it worked I have no problem with that (except that we are all FORCED to do it...which the govt. shouldn't have the power to do) But overall that is acceptable.

Same with medicare.

The rest of the things our govt. does...funding arts, hospitals, schools, etc. all SOUNDS good. But it's not the role of govt.
As for "corporate welfare"....that shit should have NEVER happened.
Yes, farm subsidies was a well intentioned idea. And of course it has now expanded to "subsidizing" everything.
But it's not the role of govt.
And ANY business that the feds hand money to is simply a redistribution of wealth and is socialism.

If the U.S. govt. would stop the insane military spending then yeah...I could better understand entitlements and 'welfare" type programs.

When I was younger, I would read in my schoolbooks how the govt. would have to choose between "guns and butter" (military or social spending). And you couldn't have both. So thank goodness there were only a few wars.

These days? We spend more on the military than the next ten or so countries do put together! And there is no "real" war happening.
It doesn't make sense to me.

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v4 media

Actually with Spain, it's not so much the main governments fault. Their debt levels are still now pretty low, its the regional politicians.

Bilbao got a new museum worth millions, so every other damn city wanted one. The small regional banks had the politicians on their boards, so they got lent whatever $$ they wanted to build airports no one needed, 5 lane freeways connecting small towns. just silly stuff.

Regional politicians are the worst of the worst they all think they're gods. (Scotland take note )

I live in small town, yet they blew 12 million euros on an arts and artisan center.

Also Spain got hammered by the European bank. when it was booming Germany/France weren't so interest rates kept coming down, and German money poured into Spain.

They were building 100's of thousands of new houses mainly for northern Europeans as holiday homes, which the government gets around 10% tax on, so big bucks. then suddenly no building, none it stops.

So take away the tax on the buildings plus the tax on the wages of people working in construction, add on the unemployment benefits you now have to pay them and it adds up.

Credit should have been tightened, but when a government cant control interest rates, you're buggered.

Slappin Fish

They are blaming a corrupt government and the rich in Greece. They are calling it "the failure of the elite". Tax dodging is a national sport in Greece, tax inspectors get kickbacks to make the problem go away. It costs Greece ?45 billion a year in lost revenue, more than it needs to pay off it's debt.

12clicks

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