Trying to create a Health Care system linking private and public as they have will never work. Much better would be a Government Insurance scheme, that EVERYONE working pays into and has the option of using when the need arises. Then the Government goes out to the Hospitals and doctors, etc to buy the most cost effective care or funnels the money raised into their own hospitals and doctors. This system works in more places better then the present US model.

An insurance company would be mental if it did not order tests. It's their job to ramp up cots and pass it on the the customer. Not take risks by not doing tests.

This shows how bad the present US system is. And why the other system is better.

My Father died because of a hospital keeping him to ramp up charges.

My Mother was refused cover after paying for it for years. She came home to live out the rest of her life.

In Czech this doesn't happen. In America where it costs more to get Health Care, it happens all the time.

I was given a US drug under test that a US insurance company wouldn't pay for in the US. That saved my life. My follow up care is costing me a pittance, because I paid into the system for 40 years. And we pay less. :thumbsup

It's called good business, the more it costs, the more they charge and earn. :(

OK they stop spending 11 billion days and then what?

Over spending is a very serious problem . Yet if you stop spending, there are still problems. Think beyond one step.

Agreed, it's disgusting that there are so many lobbyists putting forward their clients best interests to the people elected by the people to look after their best interests. Laws against these guys are long over due. Let business put their own message forward and not paid persuaders.

Tort reform insurance company driven bullshit.

http://www.statesman.com/opinion/tor...k-2402843.html

"There were other reports showing that many malpractice claims resulted in no compensation paid, that malpractice litigation wasn't a significant factor in overall health care costs, and that malpractice claims and awards had little to do with the rise in medical malpractice insurance rates. Supporters of tort reform never were inclined toward investigating the insurance industry to see what responsibility changes in the market bore for higher rates.

Supporters of tort reform often answered these studies with anecdotal evidence and appeals to "common sense." It was hard for critics of tort reform to counter an innate dislike of so-called trial lawyers, the politically charged semantics of "frivolous lawsuits" and the political exploitation of ridiculously high jury awards — though rare, such awards always drew widespread media attention and resonated with voters.

Silver told Roser he was "very pessimistic" policymakers will heed the study. His pessimism is justified. The Texas Legislature will not revisit tort reform anytime soon, and Gov. Rick Perry's office brushed off Silver's study by calling tort reform "a huge success."

The idea of national limits on malpractice damages percolates in Congress. If the issue rises above a simmer, don't expect Silver's study and others like it — past, present or future — to change the convictions of tort reformers one bit; if anything, such studies might just deepen them."

You have good points, people dont think about that.You stop the spending then what? It all has ripples. Most dont think beyond the talking point. Like let the banks fail they really dont think about how that would of effected them and the ripples from that action.
Lobbyists will always be there until there is serious election reform. When it costs 5 million for a simple race for congress and a billion to run for president. Money is needed and lobbyist's have money.

come now, silly chump. I don't have to lie about anything. If you were anything more than a fly swarming around a pile of dog shit, Cyndalie would set you strait once again but she's busy making money, not pretending to.
You are nothing more than trash who thinks your betters lucked their way into it. The fact is, you're just not smart enough to succeed. end of story.

oh, and keep pounding on my being wrong about predictions I made over a year before elections. It was done for fun, not to make myself seem intelligent the way you try. I have a bank account that tells THAT story. No need to incessantly chirp about make believe on a chat board. thats all you.:1orglaugh

nonsense. If you knew any doctors, you'd know it was nonsense because you could then ask them what they pay in malpractice insurance and how many times their insurance companies paid out on bogus claims to avoid trial.

4 years ago we spent about a trillion less than we do now. odd things worked just fine with a trillion less.

Aww someone ruffled Ronald's feathers? The thread I linked shows you for the liar that you are... it's not an opinion, it's a proven fact. You recommended me, then lied about recommending me, and now are lying about why you recommended me. Lying then or lying now, either way it proves you are a liar. Then you foolishly had your employees lie to back up your false claims and got caught in your own lies thanks to the wayback machine and a few simple forum searches that revealed perfect contradictory evidence... and now all you have left is ranting to distract people from the fact that you got caught being the liar that you choose to be.

As for the elections, you boldly predict things as if you have any clue and repeatedly come up completely wrong. You are a proven liar who makes bold wrong predictions while trying to troll me in political threads on porn industry message boards. Congrats?

If you actually were capable of discussing things on the merits or listening to viewpoints outside the pre-recorded narrative in your head, you might not be wrong as often as you are or get caught up in lying about me as often as you do.

P.S. - Go ahead and warm up your tired old: 'son', 'mother's basement', 'shitstain', 'pissing betters' MadLibs script.
You'll need it since you cant argue anything on the merits.

Tony... what is the benefit of not having tort reform? Requiring frivolous cases to end up with the bogus plaintiff paying expenses, an actual panel of impartial experts adjudicating claims instead of insurance companies and trial lawyers bleeding everyone while tapdancing in front of a jury that doesn't know one end of a stethoscope from the other...

Basic reforms would still allow actual damages to people who suffered from real recklessness of out of the norm negligence. However, it would prevent trial lawyers from strong-arming insurance companies into settlements where they have NO incentive to put up a fight because they can just raise YOUR premiums to cover any settlement costs.

hahaha, don't project, bottom feeder. you're a ball of yarn and cats don't have feathers.:1orglaugh

You gotta know Tony.

He's a great guy and a very loyal Democrat (nothing wrong with that by the way).

So since Republicans have supported Tort Reform...it instantly is bullshit. :1orglaugh

Remember...if you are a Democrat, ANYTHING supported by Repubs is bullshit.
And if you are a Republican, ANYTHING supported by Dems is bullshit.

It's how these two political parties have brainwashed all of us. There is no taking issues on their own merits. You can't like some of what Obama has done and hate other parts of it. You can't like some of what Bush did and hate other parts of it.

It's all or nothing in support of your favorite sports team...er, I mean political party.

With Bain Capital owning HCA, I don't think Rmoney will be much interested in lowering the profit margins for hospitals. He is one of their "good ole boys" after all.

You should needlepoint that quote onto one of your pillow shams. Then you could rest your head on it and read it over and over and over until you believe it. It's easier for you to remember your own lies if you keep repeating them over and over it seems. Also, if the cat/yarn metaphor was your attempt at asking me to cuddle with you, no thanks. :winkwink:

here's Cyndalie's direct quote from your link. Cyndalie, as everyone knows, is above reproach:
https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=18791562&postcount=110
"I rarely post and don't get involved with drama, but I remember it was ModF who actually fired him paying him about 1/3 of way through and not using him again. I was stuck having to get it redone eventually. We DO still laugh about what he thought was good text when the subject comes up in the office."
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not sure why you want to keep refighting this battle. Its not a winner for you.
At least the filipinos she replaced you with only had to be spell checked.

Best way to fix that is with specific questions. If smart honest people have reasons for their views that stand up to scrutiny they hold them tight, but if they can't articulate reasons for their views they amend them. Too many people only discuss things with people who already share the same POV, so they never get their views questions with any sincere opposing viewpoints. That's a major problem.

Yes I agree. But that's human nature. It's difficult for me or you to go back and revisit an issue that we have already worked out in our minds and formed a conclusion on.

And it doesn't help that both Obama and Romney will say and do ANYTHING to be President. That's human nature too.

At least people used to see through all the horseshit.

These days...Obama says "you didn't build that" and the Republicans jump on it and read all kinds of hidden meanings into it.
Or Romney says that 47% of people won't vote for him anyway so he can't worry about them in the election...and Dems pretend that they don't understand what he meant.

It's getting silly out there.

It would be nice if one of them had the balls to say to the press: "Are you guys IDIOTS? You know damn well what I meant and if you didn't...let me spell it out for you like the children you are acting like"

THAT guy would get my vote just for having a set of balls. lol

So you post a direct link to the lie, without posting a link to the context of the whole thread or the proof to the contrary?! Wow... yet another attempt at avoiding the truth. I guess it's true when they say liars find lying to be habitual. /facepalm

Here is the full thread:
https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1059111

Your direct contradictions prove you are a liar at post:
#96 https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=18790816&postcount=96
#116 https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=18791634&postcount=116
#120 https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=18791710&postcount=120
Really the whole thread does a nice job of showing your lack of honesty.

I encourage anyone actually interested, to read the whole thread. The context shows exactly what kind of a liar you are and there are quite a few good laughs in the thread as well. I also suggest we continue the discussion there instead of here so we can actually keep this thread on topic and the people capable of discussing the campaign on the merits can do so without your idiocy Ronald. ;)

I have several doctor friends. They do not know how much gets paid out, that is sometimes settled in the back end with the insurance companies. One thing they all say is the amount they have to pay for this insurance is crippling!

yup, we're all liars because it matters so much to us that we keep bringing it up.:1orglaugh

That was the Newt Gingrich approach. It would have worked if he didn't already have so much other political baggage and so many enemies before he even started his campaign.

Apparently it does by how often you try to chirp in threads I post in ... and as proven by the facts, you are a liar. :2 cents:

Where it really hits is mid-level practitioners. Doctors who employ Physician Assistants and Registered Nurses get saddled with their malpractice costs and potential claims as well. It leads to worse medical care because Doctors make their midlevels more concerned about avoiding liability than treating people, and midlevels do the bulk of the patient intake work in many practices, clinics or hospitals.

these facts or cyndalie's? so far they're the only facts:
https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=18791592&postcount=112
modF:
"I don't remember if that was me or someone else who fired him, it was about 100 internet years ago after all. I'd have to reboot into another OS to check icq history back that far, and I don't care enough to do so. However, I do recall someone firing, paying the bill and getting all new sites done"

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and I'm sorry, chump. I was in here talking politics until you started calling these people liars.
prattle on with it. I've got all day.:1orglaugh

I'm glad mojo gave you a day off. Fortunately this doesn't need all day.
The link to the full thread and proof are already posted several times in this thread.
Go ahead and post last liar, it doesn't make your lies any less false.

All you 'accomplished' was muddying a thread where other people and I were discussing the election. Congrats?

just to recap.
we fired you for doing shitty work. 3 out of the 4 of us involved agree. 1 of us wants to post links and photochops to distract from his lies.

the liar then continues by trying to disparage two other people's reputations for telling the truth. Both of who's reputations are above reproach.

continue to dig, nit wit.

Anyone can read the linked thread and see the proof for themself
You are like a child with chocolate all over your hands and face trying to claim you didn't eat the cookie

I cut and pasted the actual text. exposing you for a liar with your idiot "here's the link"

no, chump, here's the actual text:1orglaugh