I can't wait for the Presidental debates. That's PPV shit I'd pay $50 to watch. :)

What none of you get is without the Government spending and borrowing money, the effect on your incomes would be huge.

The Governments take money people would spend largely on imports and give it to people to give them jobs. Take that money away and the biggest effect would be on imports and unemployment.

Yes some money could be saved. Overseas aid, go and investigate how much of that money ends up in the bowls of the poor and how much in the banks of their rulers.

Defence, forget about cutting that much. 1,000s of highly trained killers are not people you want unemployed. Or the people making their weapons.

Health care. Employs 100,000s. do you want them out of a job?

Government, also employs 100,000s of people and keeps the wheels turning.

Banks. Forget about cutting that. Your income relies 100% on the banks staying afloat. Yes they should be forced to lend more. And you can pick up the costs when it goes wrong.

:upsidedow The guy who wrote that must of been drinking. Our grandchildren will be paying off our debts.

haha, he's just really not doing himself any favors:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=LWjE5rtYOoo

He absolutely right. There is a moocher class in America that will vote to keep their government checks rolling in. As well as social security recipients who the democrats try to scare by telling them that republicans are going to cut them off. What does this add up to except exactly what Romney said?

as a potential president your job is to improve the life of all americans - or at least try your best.

not just give up on 47% of the population - which in this case includes also pensioners and people with low income - not just leeches

Why don't all of you liberals in bumfuck europe start paying for our moochers and illegals instead of telling us to do things like your shit hole countrys do them?

Its actually not true at all. I go to Panera all the kids that work there work two full time jobs to pay their bills. Also most of the "welfare" collectors are white red staters.
Also they all pay payroll tax also in that number are the elderly , the military. I woke up years ago about the low wage people pay nothing. My sister in law was 18 working at burger king. I did her short form taxes for her. She only got $300 back from the $1400 they took from her check.

http://www.alternet.org/election-201...draising-video

1. ? All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe that government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to healthcare, to food, to housing, you name it. That that?s an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what. ?

Are all of Obama?s supporters on some form of public assistance?whether state welfare programs, Medicare, Social Security, a government pension or disability payment? The answer, obviously, is no. According to a JZ Analytics poll of 1,014 likely voters between 9/11 and 9/12, of which 469 backed Obama (46.3%) and 395 backed Romney (38.9%), 137 people, or 29 percent, said they earned more than $75,000 a year. That alone tells you that there is something wrong with Romney?s assertion.

?When all federal, state, and local taxes are taken into account, the bottom fifth of households pays about 16 percent of their incomes in taxes, on average,? the Center?s analysis said. ?The second-poorest fifth pays about 21 percent.? According to the one tax return he's released, Romney paid less than 14%.


Also back in the good old days you had public college in NY it was free to go to city college. Andy Groves went there. You owe your living to a man who got a entitlement.

and how many are disable? Born Blind, Not hearing, Missing a limb, etc...

I'm in favor of getting the disable to work, but realistically few are hired...

He has to attack but he has no facts just yelling yelling liberals liberal. Ma Dalton tell him what you owed after you graduated college? Bet it wasnt a mortgage type loan for go to a ok school at best.

did i hit a nerve?

my debt after university? zero

i worked part time to pay for my flat, car and other expenses, for the university i just had to buy books, no other fees.

Dont you wish?

Tell us how many moochers your forced to support through your tax system mcDalton?

oh please. welfare money goes right back into the economy anyways. sure a lot of people shouldn't be on it and are getting something for nothing but how much money would businesses lose when those who spend it no longer have it? when there are more jobs than people out there, then you can start complaining about "hopeless losers".

Thank you.Here you go to a state school for a 4 yr degree its 60k.

aren't the red states (the romney backers) the biggest receivers of govt money?

In the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter, it is still government money. Money the government doesn't have. The total amount of people on government assistance is only going to rise, not lower, driving the nation further into debt. This is a huge problem.

I'm not saying what is right or wrong, I'm just saying it is a serious problem that has to be dealt with because the US can not afford to continue so much assistance.

Does it matter? They are not on the brink of financial disaster.

misspelling of nicknames is 1st grade of board trolling, but i'll let that one slide... :winkwink:

and i have no idea, quite a few probably

but i chose to accept it because on the other hand no one who really needs help is simply thrown in the gutter

we probably have a different view on free education and health care too.

i am very happy about the place i live - here in my bumfuck, socialist, eastern european shithole :thumbsup

you joking? the eu has a number of countries in very big financial trouble.

Hey MaDalton, tidy up your guest room. I'm sending a few of these moochers to bunk with ya. :1orglaugh

thanks, but here in CZ we already have enough gypsy ghettos to take care of :winkwink:

When oil companies take Billions of dollars in 'subsidies' that's ok. When large agricultural companies like ADM take billions of dollars in 'subsidies' and artificially inflated prices that's fine too. When we spend billions on outdated military hardware still preparing for a war with the USSR that did not happen nobody seems to mind. The entire tax code is a dozen pages about tax rates and 3,000 pages of exceptions stuffed into it by lobbyists allowing people like Romney to legally pay 13% in taxes while anyone working hard at a job for a paycheck pays 30% in taxes but people turn a blind eye. However, you find one mentally unstable dim witted mother of three who figured out how to 'game the system' for and extra couple hundred dollars in food stamps and thousands of holier-thn-thou American launch into blind rage.... Unless it happens to be their sister in law, aunt, a friend of a friend... Then it's not such a big deal.

Poor people are poor for a reason. There are many very lazy wealthy people, take a look at any trust fund kid. So laziness isn't the key marker. Low intelligence makes poverty more likely. Horrible parents makes poverty much more likely. Mental illness is often a factor. Lack of quality education is a cause. Put simply, there are many people in this world who are not good at playing the game of life when it comes to earning a living. That won't change. Add to it the fact that we need many less people to be able to get all the work done in a technologically advanced society a nd the number of 'extra people' gets even larger. Now throw on top of that the fact that the people least equipped to be good parents tend to have the most children and you can see the trend only accelerating.

So... What do we do ith them? We used to have bloody wars and send thm off to be killed in ground combat. War doesn't work that way anymore, welfare moms are unlikely to be good unmanned drone pilots or SEAL team members. A huge plague culls the population, but modern medicine has prevented any big ones in recent decades. Incarcerating poor people for silly non-violent infractions like selling pot can work, but as it turns out it becomes much more expensive than welfare.

That leaves us with a very simple truth. The harder you make it on poor people, the worse it is for all of us. Rampant poverty means homeless people committing petty crimes and costing a fortune as inmates, vandalism, more maniacs in the public schools used by middle class kids, gangs, and all the rest. At some point people will figure out that the lazy scumbags at the too are taking handouts that would make any welfare mom blush. AIG? GM? The Banks? Oil Companies? Bogus military contracts to companies like Haliburton?

We do not need 20-30% of our population. You can kill it, make it and yourself miserable or you can take care of it. All three choices have their pros and cons...

None of the first paragraph you wrote is ok. It's the part of spending more than you earn syndrome that has put the government in debt to the tune of $16T. The problem didn't get better with Obama. It got worse. Much worse. Obama has failed this nation more than I could've ever imagined when I listened to him talk 4 years ago. He has done nothing, to curb wasteful spending. On the contrary..he has encouraged it.

That's exactly what my parents used to say about our generation twenty years ago...

And your parents were right.

Really please give 4 real examples not made up bullshit. Considering corporate profits are at a all time high and the market is at 13k. Bin laden dead. Please tell us how he ruined the country. Its funny when the right spent like drunken sailors that was ok. Also Obama put the war on the books which W didnt have it in the budget. I thought you were a businessman. You dont understand that debt doesnt go to zero when the new president starts? Also its congress that spends not the president.

...and 20 years later.... look at the government debt, economy, and society.

:2 cents:

Yep and there is one that was written in ancient greece I cant find it that says the same thing.

“Our youth now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for their elders and love chatter in place of exercise; they no longer rise when elders enter the room; they contradict their parents, chatter before company; gobble up their food and tyrannize their teachers.”


― Socrates

You know, I wonder about this "47%". I mean, what exactly does "government benefits" include?

I went to school on the GI Bill and also have a student loan I'm still paying off. Does that mean I collected government benefits?

The Federal government has spent hundreds of millions building a new freeway a few miles from my house - stimulus money - does that count? What about the discount I receive on my power bill because I'm testing smart meters on both my meter and my ac unit - This is funded by federal tax dollars, does that count?

I wonder how else I'm benefiting from the federal government?

crazy thing is the reason the US was sitting at number 1 for so long was BECAUSE of socialist , nation building policies.


one can connect the rise of the nation with regulation, and connect the fall of the nation with deregulation

but hey

maybe people just like licking some boots

Kanye is busy buying clothes with Kim, so I'll say it.

Mitt Romney hates poor people.

Actually no you are wrong and this is what most Republicans can never get through their selfish thick skulls. Bush was the exact same way.

The President of the United States job is to "ALL" the US citizens not just for the the people that happened to vote for them. This was the exact same fucking attitude Bush had.. He didn't give a fuck about half this country only the people whom voted for him.


Also this whole fascination you right wingers have with claiming everyone on the left is lazy & feels entitled. Seriously get over yourselves already.. 50% of the Republican base is white trash trailer park losers that like take food stamps & welfare.

For once I have to agree with Paul

Not true. We used to have factories that employed them.

http://www.allpar.com/photos/chrysle...roit-plant.jpg

Now with the ones left they are like this

http://static7.businessinsider.com/i...volkswagen.jpg

Or

http://totallycoolpix.com/wp-content...the-world1.jpg

Romney and his like saw to it that the US is no longer the manufacturing base it was. Asking him to come up with a solution is like asking Kim Dotcom to stop piracy.

So stop the spending, put up with the lost jobs and do what with the money saved?

Just in case people don't notice it.

Ok, Tony whatever you want to think. The country is NOT $16t in debt. The countries credit rating did NOT go down. There are numerous cost-cutting and waste controlling bills actively being implement. The average American works salary is really UP $4000 a year. There is no unemployment! Life is great for everyone.

And of course...Bin Laden is dead. That's a good thing. But hardly relative to what has happened to the nation fiscally.

I don't understand why you and your ilk constantly justify that because BUSH did it, it's ok that Obama does it too. It was not OK that Bush did it. It was the beginning of what we are now living with. What I said...and I will not say it again. The Obama administration has not fixed anything. The Obama administration has made everything financially worse for generations to come.

I'm as serious as a case of dick cancer.

He doesn't live in all of EU, he lives in the Czech Republic and they do not use the Euro. The "Euro debt crisis" does not mean all of Europe is failing.

I've only read a little about their financial situation, but it doesn't seem that bad. I'm sure MaDalton or Markham could clue us in on their financial details.

[QUOTE=Sin_Vraal;19195795]Romney is dead right. Obama has decided to follow the failed social policy of europe.

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Romney spoke the truth, people just don't want to hear it. Not saying i love the guy but his assessment of what's happening is accurate.

Obama wants to keep everyone dependent on the government so the gov't stays in control. Easy to see that. Too bad when everyone is poor and we move to socialism the idiots running the country will realize there is no one to pay taxes and we go bankrupt like some of the Euro countries and then it will be too late.

If you lack empathy and are a selfish 'me' prick you are a conservative.

If you have empathy towards others and are genuinely concerned with your fellow man you are a liberal.

Basically conservatism is a mental disorder.

Why did I think Mutt was Canadian?

He is giving up on getting their vote; seems intelligent. You probably will not see Romney campaigning in California either. Why? Because it would be throwing good money after bad. He can't win CA, why bother trying? I don't feel he is giving up on CA, he is giving up on getting the CA vote.

You realize there are free colleges too, right?

This whole thing is odd considering 82% of conservatives collect social security and medicare and red states collect more federal funds than they pay.

Not to mention Romney talks this shit while getting a $70,000 tax deduction for a fucking horse.

Paraphrasing:
"It's ok that the guy said it's not his job to worry about 47% of the nations population, in fact he's right in saying what he said."

:helpme

So... he wants to be president of the un-united states. We get it.

Minte,

You know as well as I do that Romney has zero intention of doing anything about the first paragraph of what I wrote. He wants to expand military spending to higher levels, the Ryan 'tax plan' would in fact reduce Romney's taxes to less than 1%, he himself is hiding money in tax shelters off shore. His backers ARE the oil companies, big agra and Goldman Sachs. The idea that 'if we just stop wasteful spending on poor people things will all get better' is moronic. Poor people are NOT the problem. If they could actually mastermind brilliant plans to suck money out of the economy... they wouldn't be poor people. We had plenty of poor people during good times and bad times. What we have now are a small group of 'post-nationalists' who do not feel tied to any nation, community or society and they are gutting our economy. They are doing much more damage than all the welfare mothers and drunk food stamp recipients ever could.

Facebook execs aren't giving up their US citizenship because our tax rates are too high... do you really think if his taxes were 3 points lower he would have remained a citizen? They are doing it because they feel ANY taxes are too high and have zero connection to the society that their own success was built on. No patriotism, no nationalism, no desire to see the country become stronger or better.

Gay rights? Rampant scamming by poor people? Defending the 'freedom' of the Iraqi people? Banks too big to fail? It's all a smokescreen for the momentum high frequency traders wrecking the stock market and international corporations bleeding cash from many countries and putting nothing back into them. The US economy is faltering, the EU is crashing, China is slowing... where is all the capital going? In a normal economy you have 'winners' and 'losers' - in a post-national world the winners don't happen to include any of the countries or their citizens.

For Those Who Have Not Figured It Out Yet:
Years ago mobsters would buy a restaurant, saddle it with debt, siphon off any equity they could and then burn it down for the insurance money. Then they started to do it with corporations as 'leveraged buyouts.' The same exact scam just done on a much larger scale, exactly what Bain did to Kaybee Toys while Romney was running it. Now they are going a level higher and doing the exact same thing with entire countries. They did a 'leveraged buyout of our Democracy' with Citizens United and the Koch funded tea party. Then they ran up as much debt as they could get their hands on while siphoning off trillions of dollars through companies like Halliburton in Iraq, AIG and Exxon subsidies. What comes next in the pattern? They ditch the carcass and move on leaving the restaurant employees, former company owners or in this case citizens stuck with an overwhelming tab that can not be sustained. That is EXACTLY what is happening right now, and if you think Romney (or Obama) has any real chance of fixing it you are even more of an idealist than I am.

Looks like Mittens was trashing his own base.



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I guess it is all in how you WANT to interpret his statements, but I am pretty sure (positive actually) that he was acknowledging that 47% of the eligible voters will never vote for him, not that 47% of Americans should be disregarded. :2 cents:

USA you are not alone Come to the mighty UK and see all the people on handouts, fuck they are better off than the people who actully work and pay taxes

He had a shot at correcting his comment when he held a hastily put together press conference last night.

Republican logic: Paying taxes is un-american if you're a millionaire or an oil company, otherwise you're a parasite wanting free stuff from the govt.

But doesn't every generation bitch about the next generation?

I remember my parents complaining about couples holding hands and kissing in public, calling it "ponorgraphic". (I also remember my grandmother calling a white chick dating a black man a "zebra lover".)

I can only imagine what my parents would think of society today.

I don't like the guy at all, but it sounds like he was just being realistic:

"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the President no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what...These are people who pay no income tax ...

(Actually he was wrong, 46% of people do not pay Federal income tax, they FILE taxes, but they get it all back, except for SS and medicare payments. There you go. He said 47%, not 46%. I don't like him at all, and I won't vote for him, but what he said is the truth.).


Obviously there is not a direct correlation, but yes, I would say that almost half of the the people in the US now feel that they must look to the government to create jobs for them, take care of their retirement for them, give them their healthcare, etc..... That is the case for somewhere approaching half the people in the country now. They are entitled to their view, but I think that they would always vote for someone that promises that the government will provide for them in some way.




Sounds like a politically honest statement about the way things are.




.:2 cents: