Originally Posted by myjah (Post 19159573)

We don't 'pose' anyone. I'm going to have to argue that you haven't actually watched our videos from the past 3 months - not our photo sets - our videos.

I'm sure you will argue that you have and I welcome that...but show me a scene that you're describing. And remember that real sex isn't always perfect, it can be somewhat awkward and not the sex of your dreams.

I'm not saying YOU have to be turned on by it (and your opinion as a woman is very valuable to us), but I am saying that our videos - our entire premise for filming REAL sex - is not posed.

Originally Posted by adultmobile (Post 19160043)

My sentence it is about the average people in the street, and the law. If you don't tell them, previously: this is art, and certify it by show the author in a museum... they just think Schiele it is porn drawing made by some kid or pervert. Try showing Schiele dirty stuff to random people does not know it is Schiele and you don't tell them too.
Years ago I made some web design software, and as sample images in examples there was some Modigliani painting too (it was before 2004 , when a movie about him it was made: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0367188/ ), and some teacher wrote me this sample (as well as others with naked angels butts from 1600 italian church painting?) was inappropriate for kids so she could not teach my software in her web design class.
Unless I had provided a version of software with no nude paintings in examples...

Originally Posted by myjah (Post 19160248)

Hit it on the nose...WE (SexArt) are truly aiming to produce original content, nothing like any other site has had before. Everyone won't appreciate it, but we don't expect that.

If you want truly original, totally unique content, we have it.

Originally Posted by MisterPeabody (Post 19160383)

While many of the comments in this thread hold grains of truth within them I seriously don't think most of you (most - not all) "get it" as to why ErosExotica, XArt, Fellucia Blow, MetArt etc sell.

It is NOT the lighting, or the production values, or the music, or the cameras used, or the editing techniques, or the pacing of the scenes, or the transition effects.....

....ALONE. Yes, all those things are contributing factors and help to enhance the REAL reasons this type of "porn" sells.

TOP 5 REASONS:

1. No anonymous, stunt-cock sex. The performers look like they actually know each other and haven't met 5 minutes before the Director said 'Action'. Believe it or not, having met your lover before you fuck them makes a wee differance in the sex.

2. No talent overexposure. The actresses (not the male talent; sorry guys but only twinks notice the dudes) have not been seen in a hundred hardcore, nasty fuck scenes. In other words, it would be extremely difficult for a Charley Chase or an India Summer (as just a couple examples, no offense meant) to "pull off" a MetArt scene because people have seen them everywhere doing everything.

3. The sex itself does not come across as your standard 3-position bang-a-thon. You know, almost every porn scene on Earth starts with a blowjob, maybe some pussy-licking in reciprication (tho often not), then reverse cowgirl, doggy and missionary, then a pop shot on the face (see below)....how original and thrilling! You can substitute spooning, cowgirl or pile-driving for any of the above "standard" positions but it's almost always three.

4. No Money Shot in the face. Okay, some Fellucia Blow and XArt blowjob scenes end with facials, but generally the "money shot" doesn't happen on a girl who's just recently dismounted some giant pecker pole like an Olympic gymnast.

5. No pain, lotsa gain. Most (again, not all) porn shot today looks like consensual rape, with the girl being hit, spat on, choked, spanked raw, held down as she's pounded endlessly - and of course she's supposed to "love it"! With sites like ErosExotica there's affection, caressing, loving gazes, sensual kissing, and the scariest emotion of all to the sex-addicted, drug-addicted narcissists who populate this Industry - intimacy.

But go ahead, PLEASE continue to not get it so that those of us who do can make a killing while the rest of the adult industry withers and dies. Pretty please?

Originally Posted by myjah (Post 19160248)

I'm not saying YOU have to be turned on by it (and your opinion as a woman is very valuable to us), but I am saying that our videos - our entire premise for filming REAL sex - is not posed.

Originally Posted by jimmycooper (Post 19161138)

I can easily see how something like that could happen but I really don't feel as if the ignorant should be the ones who are granted the privilege of deciding where exactly it is that the porn/non-porn line exists. We are the deciders. Fuck them. Definitely an interesting debate, though, that's for sure.

I still can't get over what these two Koons paintings sold for at Christies. Freaking crazy.

Wolfman | Red Butt

So when well known artist does a few hardcore paintings of himself fucking his porn star wife, it's almost universally accepted within the art world as being art whereas that very same art world tends to label the non-hardcore work of photographers like Richard Avery or Bret Michael Nelson as being porn. I think that's fucked up and it really pisses me off. Anyway, Richard Avery has a really great take on labeling.

OK, here’s where I get to vent a bit about the work I create. I wanna keep this simple at to the point.

I get asked a lot if what I do is porn or erotica. Is it art? Is it erotic fashion? I hate labels and I hate being put in a box. I hate when people need to throw a label on something they don’t understand. I hate when people with NO talent, NO vision and NO skills need to project their thoughts onto my work. It’s tough to be an artist when people with all of those NOes drag you down — though obviously, since you’re a Juliland member, you aren’t one of those bloated sacks of protoplasm.

Everyone these days need to label everything so they can categorize and organize everything. Back the fuck off!

If you wanna label, if you need to label my work… Just call it fun! That’s what I call it and that’s why I do it. Sex, grrls, pussy, tits, naked, nasty, fucking, masturbation, kissing and so on is just that… FUN! My life is all about capturing the fun and having fun with it! We do not call shoots work, we call them playtime for a reason! It’s all about the fun and if it’s not going to be fun then I am NOT showing up! Ask any grrl who works with me. We play, get nasty and make art! Just keep it simple and I think the results speak for themselves.

So, in conclusion… Fuck labels! Fuck stupid people and their lame opinions.ha Fuck me for having too much fun with the best grrls in the world. I win again! Boo ya!

http://richardaveryphoto.com/substance-style/



FYI - As of late July, these guys were looking for international sponsors. Seems like it would be a perfect for SexArt.

http://www.masquerade-society.com/

If you think you might be interested let me know and I'll put you in touch with the owner. I also know of other similar type groups. Here's one in nyc.

http://www.onelegupnyc.com/







You might want to reach out to Violet at Tiny Nibbles as it seems like SexArt would be right up her alley.

Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 19160053)

FYI: hiring below the line is not an endless world pool like content models. and in the end a good crew is worth more than a content model. :2 cents:

Originally Posted by jimmycooper (Post 19161138)

I can easily see how something like that could happen but I really don't feel as if the ignorant should be the ones who are granted the privilege of deciding [...].

I still can't get over what these two Koons paintings sold for at Christies. Freaking crazy.

Wolfman | Red Butt

So when well known artist does a few hardcore paintings of himself fucking his porn star wife, it's almost universally accepted within the art world as being art

Originally Posted by MisterPeabody (Post 19161152)

As we NYCers say: Um....yah....excuse me? Nevermind....
Then continue on our way....

You continue to push the same old crap JimmyCooper - but you should know better since you're also pushing Mia Magma.

So get your eyes uncrossed, eh?

Originally Posted by adultmobile (Post 19161186)

So you say the ignorant should not decide; but you also cna't get over the opposite side , so the art critic and galleries, where the above common porn picture get sold for $500,000 because its author, and eventually exposed in a museum.
This is because human brain and society it is made like that. For example why the nipple of Janet Jackson it is so much a bigger deal of the one of a random pornstar, it is still a same nipple. Why in isolated villages of not civilized countries the people go around naked and happy including under 18 children, and can not understand whats wrong with that... but at the same time, the nipple of Janet Jackson it is a big deal in the country who sent the man on the Moon and several robots on Mars?

I wished I can return ignorant, does all this studies and civilization is all useful?
Ok let me be not ignorant and cite http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benedetto_Croce

Who, already in 1901 so well before any modern art and without knowledge of psychology or Freud's work, "... claimed that art is more important than science or metaphysics, since only the former edifies us. He felt that all we know can be reduced to logical and imaginative knowledge. Art springs from the latter, making it at its heart, pure imagery. All thought is based in part on this, and it precedes all other thought. The task of an artist is then to put forth the perfect image that they can produce for their viewer, since this is what beauty fundamentally is – the formation of inward, mental images in their ideal state. Our intuition is the basis of forming these concepts within us."

The funny fact of the guy, it is he lists what it is NOT art, and that's a long list - most people think he's outdated and wrong, but well... honestly I think there's something that is is NOT art, whatever it is sold or advertised as art. Simply it should be the people naked in isolated village to decide it too, in my 2 cents opinion.

PS: Hellos to Amnon of met-art if he reads this ever :)

Originally Posted by myjah (Post 19160677)

My intention was to get feedback and whether it's positive or negative, it is all valuable.

Originally Posted by MisterPeabody (Post 19160383)

While many of the comments in this thread hold grains of truth within them I seriously don't think most of you (most - not all) "get it" as to why ErosExotica, XArt, Fellucia Blow, MetArt etc sell.

It is NOT the lighting, or the production values, or the music, or the cameras used, or the editing techniques, or the pacing of the scenes, or the transition effects.....

....ALONE. Yes, all those things are contributing factors and help to enhance the REAL reasons this type of "porn" sells.

TOP 5 REASONS:

1. No anonymous, stunt-cock sex. The performers look like they actually know each other and haven't met 5 minutes before the Director said 'Action'. Believe it or not, having met your lover before you fuck them makes a wee differance in the sex.

2. No talent overexposure. The actresses (not the male talent; sorry guys but only twinks notice the dudes) have not been seen in a hundred hardcore, nasty fuck scenes. In other words, it would be extremely difficult for a Charley Chase or an India Summer (as just a couple examples, no offense meant) to "pull off" a MetArt scene because people have seen them everywhere doing everything.

3. The sex itself does not come across as your standard 3-position bang-a-thon. You know, almost every porn scene on Earth starts with a blowjob, maybe some pussy-licking in reciprication (tho often not), then reverse cowgirl, doggy and missionary, then a pop shot on the face (see below)....how original and thrilling! You can substitute spooning, cowgirl or pile-driving for any of the above "standard" positions but it's almost always three.

4. No Money Shot in the face. Okay, some Fellucia Blow and XArt blowjob scenes end with facials, but generally the "money shot" doesn't happen on a girl who's just recently dismounted some giant pecker pole like an Olympic gymnast.

5. No pain, lotsa gain. Most (again, not all) porn shot today looks like consensual rape, with the girl being hit, spat on, choked, spanked raw, held down as she's pounded endlessly - and of course she's supposed to "love it"! With sites like ErosExotica there's affection, caressing, loving gazes, sensual kissing, and the scariest emotion of all to the sex-addicted, drug-addicted narcissists who populate this Industry - intimacy.

But go ahead, PLEASE continue to not get it so that those of us who do can make a killing while the rest of the adult industry withers and dies. Pretty please?

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19162938)

:thumbsup

A lot more porn scenes should be shot like this. what ever the niche, porn has to look real. not "Shot by numbers"

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 19159304)

in case you ever hoped to see Humphrey Bogart screwing Ingrid Bergmann...

Originally Posted by Confined (Post 19163324)

nope not really. too desensitized to porn now. cant even wank it anymore it's all so dull.

maybe i should try snuff instead?

Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 19162963)

So why do you continually say there are only 32 (or whatever the number is) of porn poses and you have them in a folder that you show the models as you shoot them?

Isn't that the very definition of shot by numbers?

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19164348)

I searched and found a few Sexart videos and

Originally Posted by adultmobile (Post 19164490)

Was that on illegal tubes or? :)

Originally Posted by myjah (Post 19160248)

Hit it on the nose...WE (SexArt) are truly aiming to produce original content, nothing like any other site has had before. Everyone won't appreciate it, but we don't expect that.

If you want truly original, totally unique content, we have it.