Losing a home over $400 in back taxes

[wehateporn]

Are Americans losing their property rights or is this the same as it's always been?

Brutal Gestapo Tactics Are Being Used Against Homeowners All Over America
http://www.activistpost.com/2012/07/...eing-used.html

The other foreclosure crisis: Losing a home over $400 in back taxes
http://money.cnn.com/2012/07/10/real...iens/index.htm

"NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- People are losing their homes over unpaid tax bills that, in some cases, add up to just a few hundred dollars.

Outdated state laws that allow local governments to sell tax liens on delinquent properties to investors in order to more quickly collect on overdue property taxes is sparking a second "foreclosure crisis," a report from the National Consumer Law Center said Tuesday. "

"The report cited a case of an 81-year-old Rhode Island woman who fell behind on a $474 sewer bill. A corporation bought the home in a tax sale for $836.39. The woman was evicted from the home she had lived in for more than 40 years and the corporation resold the place for $85,000, the report said. "

"One elderly Montana woman, who lived alone and had no close family to help her, fell more than $5,000 behind on taxes, the report said. After she failed to respond to letters from the company that bought her home in a tax sale, she was evicted from her Missoula home. As a result, she lost about $150,000 in equity in the property, according to the report."

[wehateporn]

"The Antelope Valley is a vast patch of desert on the outskirts of Los Angeles County, and a segment of the few rugged individualists who live out there increasingly are finding themselves the targets of armed raids from local code enforcement agents, who've assembled into task forces called Nuisance Abatement Teams (NATs). "

[papill0n]

another fucking loser that needs to fuck off back to whackjobville

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by papill0n

another fucking loser that needs to fuck off back to whackjobville

You're craving my attention once again like an over-excited puppy...sorry to disappoint, I've got work to do, you'll have to find somebody else to play

[mchacal]

The land of the free

[Bill8]

local property tax laws have always been like this - if you dont pay local taxes, they sherriff sale your property.

it's been this way for decades. you don't mess with local property taxes.

[Rochard]

How do people not understand this? Don't pay your bills, eventually they come after you. It's not "Brutal Gestapo Tactics"; It's the law.

It's pretty fucking simple. Don't pay your car payment or credit card bill, fall too far behind, they will put a lien on your home.

Is it excessive? Sure does sound like it. But usually there is a lot more involved. It's not like you fall $30 on your HOA and they take your house next month; It's a lenthgy process and if it gets to that point it either means the homeowner is a complete ass or has ignore multiple warnings.

[papill0n]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

You're craving my attention once again like an over-excited puppy...sorry to disappoint, I've got work to do, you'll have to find somebody else to play

oh youve got work to do do you ??

well shit fuckwit lucky you had time to post some shit on gfy then isnt it

i dont want your attention idiot i just want you to fuck off - big difference

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by papill0n

oh youve got work to do do you ??

well shit fuckwit lucky you had time to post some shit on gfy then isnt it

i dont want your attention idiot i just want you to fuck off - big difference

If you want my threads to "fuck off" you should stop bumping them to the top

[Rochard]

I got into it with my neighbors and the HOA a few years back. I used to walk outside my front door and see my neighbor's side yard, all bushes and trees... We two trees on the property line, and our sprinklers watered eachother's grass in some areas.

He ripped everything out and install fucking concrete all the way to the property line, turning his driveway into a parking lot. I was fucking pissed so I complained, and they discovered a city law that states they cannot have concrete within five feet of the properly line. They had to take half of the driveway out. The just filled it up with gravel, and still use it park trucks.

It still looks nasty. I walk outside and all I see on his property is his truck, concrete, and garbage (usually pallets).

[papill0n]

Originally Posted by Rochard

How do people not understand this? Don't pay your bills, eventually they come after you. It's not "Brutal Gestapo Tactics"; It's the law.

It's pretty fucking simple. Don't pay your car payment or credit card bill, fall too far behind, they will put a lien on your home.

Is it excessive? Sure does sound like it. But usually there is a lot more involved. It's not like you fall $30 on your HOA and they take your house next month; It's a lenthgy process and if it gets to that point it either means the homeowner is a complete ass or has ignore multiple warnings.

its the sort of shit you would expect this idiot to repost

wehateporn is not unlike gideongallery

they both would rent your house ,stop paying the rent, stay in it and then tell you it was their house and they had rights!

what do these people think was going to happen ? plenty of people dont even have a home to live in. fuck them

[papill0n]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

If you want my threads to "fuck off" you should stop bumping them to the top

yeah because when someone replies you get all excited and have to stick around and jerk yourself stupid ????

youre a fucking loser who thinks it wasnt the japs who started ww2 but the americans

that sort of utter utter crap that morons like you repost online like youre on some sort of cunt of a mission to distort the truth and make as much trouble as you can

youre fucked in the head

youre a joke

a hoax

a fly on my dogs shit

choke on a cock mother fucker

[wehateporn]

papill0n, you make too many assumptions, I'm providing content for the forum, starting a discussion, at no point did I say where I stand on this. If it's a lead balloon of a discussion it will drop like one. You do this in a lot of threads, this is a heads-up for you as you're probably completely unaware of the assumptions you're making

Originally Posted by papill0n

its the sort of shit you would expect this idiot to repost

wehateporn is not unlike gideongallery

they both would rent your house ,stop paying the rent, stay in it and then tell you it was their house and they had rights!

what do these people think was going to happen ? plenty of people dont even have a home to live in. fuck them

[wehateporn]

You're sounding drunk now, anyway, I'll have to stick you on ignore as you're wasting my time

Originally Posted by papill0n

yeah because when someone replies you get all excited and have to stick around and jerk yourself stupid ????

youre a fucking loser who thinks it wasnt the japs who started ww2 but the americans

that sort of utter utter crap that morons like you repost online like youre on some sort of cunt of a mission to distort the truth and make as much trouble as you can

youre fucked in the head

youre a joke

a hoax

a fly on my dogs shit

choke on a cock mother fucker

[DWB]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

The report cited a case of an 81-year-old Rhode Island woman who fell behind on a $474 sewer bill. A corporation bought the home in a tax sale for $836.39. The woman was evicted from the home she had lived in for more than 40 years and the corporation resold the place for $85,000, the report said. "

Sure, sounds fair.

If you fall behind on your sewer bill, you should lose your home. In fact, they should throw you in prison for 10 years. Fuck it, make it 20 years and fine you $100,000.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by DWB

Sure, sounds fair.

If you fall behind on your sewer bill, you should lose your home. In fact, they should throw you in prison for 10 years. Fuck it, make it 20 years and fine you $100,000.

Good point DWB, it definitely seems crazy in the case of a sewer bill

[Failed]

Sad to see anyone lose their home over tough times. Especially when we're not very good at helping those who have no place to call home.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by Rochard

It still looks nasty. I walk outside and all I see on his property is his truck, concrete, and garbage (usually pallets).

Must be difficult living next-door to people like that, all the more reason to get your place in Hawaii

[Si]

papill0n as much as I like what you're saying to some degree, WWII was started by the Nazis, and in theory you could say WWII was all to do with the aftermath of WWI which started when Franz Ferdinand was assassinated in Austria. The Cold war was a result of WWII.

But yeah anyway I know what you mean, wehateporn probably thought Pearl Harbour was started by the US government using airfix kit planes designed to look like Japanese aircraft and the boats that were sunk were made of plywood and the lives lost were fabricated (most probably)

Saying that I can actually see where wehateporn is coming from, when the facts are not presented properly it might look like someone owed $800 and their home was sold for $85,000. But what about legal fees, interest, payments not after that etc? Is that all in there?

[papill0n]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

You're sounding drunk now, anyway, I'll have to stick you on ignore as you're wasting my time

yeah you do that bitch

typical of spineless cunts like you

and

its 8am moron and im sober. i dont even drink.

your ability to read someone is poor. dont confuse my passion with your lack of intelligence.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by Failed

Sad to see anyone lose their home over tough times. Especially when we're not very good at helping those who have no place to call home.

As you probably know, in Europe all countries have Social Housing, or at least they did until Greece recently had to scrap theirs as an Austerity Measure. As the Austerity Measures work their way around from country to country in Europe we'll see more of the same, though I suspect most of the Northern European nations will be able to hold onto theirs.

[papill0n]

Originally Posted by Si

papill0n as much as I like what you're saying to some degree, WWII was started by the Germans, and in theory you could say WWII was all to do with the aftermath of WWI which started when Franz Ferdinand was assassinated in Austria. The Cold war was a result of WWII.

But yeah anyway I know what you mean, wehateporn probably thought Pearl Harbour was started by the US government using airfix kit planes designed to look like Japanese aircraft and the boats that were sunk were made of plywood and the lives lost were fabricated (most probably)

Saying that I can actually see where wehateporn is coming from, when the facts are not presented properly it might look like someone owed $800 and their home was sold for $85,000. But what about legal fees, interest, payments not after that etc? Is that all in there?

yeah thats exactly what he thinks. there is a thread about it. he posted some mad video suggesting the americans incited the japs to attack them. i find it pretty offensive hence i loaded my howitzer and gave it to him

i shouldnt have said ww2 per se was started by the japs. that is not correct. i should have said the conflict between the japs and the yanks.

those naughty nazis did indeed start the ww2

[Failed]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

As you probably know, in Europe all countries have Social Housing, or at least they did until Greece recently had to scrap theirs as an Austerity Measure. As the Austerity Measures work their way around from country to country in Europe we'll see more of the same, though I suspect most of the Northern European nations will be able to hold onto theirs.

This is why I could never become rich and powerful, or a politician...I have a heart. I think everyone should have free medical care, a free education, and if down on their luck, a home and food provided for them.

I could never look a child in the face and tell them they must sleep on the street, go hungry, or not receive medicine.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by Si

But yeah anyway I know what you mean, wehateporn probably thought Pearl Harbour was started by the US government using airfix kit planes designed to look like Japanese aircraft and the boats that were sunk were made of plywood and the lives lost were fabricated (most probably)

Nice conspiracy Si, but no, it's more that it was allowed to happen, they wanted Pearl Harbor and encouraged it.

Originally Posted by Si

Saying that I can actually see where wehateporn is coming from, when the facts are not presented properly it might look like someone owed $800 and their home was sold for $85,000. But what about legal fees, interest, payments not after that etc? Is that all in there?

Good point Si

In the UK it's the TV Licensing people we have to watch out for

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by Failed

This is why I could never become rich and powerful, or a politician...I have a heart. I think everyone should have free medical care, a free education, and if down on their luck, a home and food provided for them.

I could never look a child in the face and tell them they must sleep on the street, go hungry, or not receive medicine.

I'm the same

[Sunny Day]

It's a damn shame anyone loses their home. The elderly are particularly vulnerable with their fixed incomes don't keep up with rising tax bills. People get in a situation and are embarrassed to ask family or friends for help. There are plenty of resources that can help them, but many times they don't know they exist. People have lost their homes & farms for back taxes as long as there has been a country.

A simple mortgage foreclosure, you have to be served with notice then if you lose, you sell have 90 days to find a way to save your home. Some states also require a court hearing that means the person losing their home can at least stay in the home for up to a year.
As for tax liens, it usually takes 3 years of unpaid taxes to lose a home with a 1 year right to pay off those back taxes. That means for 3 years you got notices in the mail.

I'm on the side of the person losing their home. But fact is people walk away from their mortgage when things go bad. Usually tearing up the place before they go or it sits empty for metal scrappers to strip the place.

Every week I go to the local foreclosure sale. People occasionally show up trying to save their home. I give them my card and tell them I can help (no charge) but they never call. But I'm also there as I have several investors, who know I know the local market so well I know the super bargains.

I realize that sounds I'm preying on the unfortunate, but by the time they get sold at the court house door 90+% are vacant. The owners gave up for what ever reason. And more than 1/2 the mortgages are way more than the actual value of the house. You can probably bet the realtor, appraiser & mortgage company inflated the value of the house and the buyers income.

Losing your home over a $400 water bill isn't right. Most jurisdictions a foreclosure sale of any kind has to be approved by a judge. Seemed this judge failed.

[DudeRick]

Originally Posted by Rochard

How do people not understand this? Don't pay your bills, eventually they come after you. It's not "Brutal Gestapo Tactics"; It's the law.

It's pretty fucking simple. Don't pay your car payment or credit card bill, fall too far behind, they will put a lien on your home.

Is it excessive? Sure does sound like it. But usually there is a lot more involved. It's not like you fall $30 on your HOA and they take your house next month; It's a lenthgy process and if it gets to that point it either means the homeowner is a complete ass or has ignore multiple warnings.

[Sly]

Where is JohnnyClips when we need him?

[NaughtyVisions]

I've always understood it that if you don't pay your property taxes, they'll put a lien on the property, and eventually will auction it off if you don't pay.

I recently talked to a friend of my who works in the county sherriff's office. She said here in central PA, you have to be behind property taxes for at least two years in order for them to actually sell your property at a sheriff's sale.

It can work out good for some though....we just moved into a house sitting on 23.55 acres. We're currently renting it at a measly $800/month (the house needs some work, which I'm doing). It turns out our landlord bought this property at a tax sale for a little over $10,000 (the previous owner was delinquent around $4,000 in property taxes). We're working out a deal with the current owner to lease-for-dead for a fucking steal on nearly 24 acres of land.

Sucks for the previous owner, but works out great for my family.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by Sly

Where is JohnnyClips when we need him?

He's deep in his research now, but he'll soon be back to present us with his findings

[Bill8]

Originally Posted by DWB

Sure, sounds fair.

If you fall behind on your sewer bill, you should lose your home. In fact, they should throw you in prison for 10 years. Fuck it, make it 20 years and fine you $100,000.

it's not "fair", it's not nice, but it is the way our property owning system has worked for decades, even centuries.

there are many ways to fight and resist this kind of behavior on the part of local governments and service providers.

in this case, amd cases like this, there should have been people or groups or government agencies that stepped in and tried to help - but, that does not always happen, and many people are too proud to ask for help.

[newB]

So, was this wrong, then?

[Sunny Day]

Originally Posted by newB

So, was this wrong, then?

Another guy did the same thing as his judgement was over BOA didn't respond to his letters in 20 days as required by federal law. Fine for every time is $1,000. So far BOA owes me about $15,000 just on this.

Monday, I'm hoping the lawyer for BOA commits perjury for the 3rd time in court. Think the judge is going to slam him this time. She gave him all the ways to weasel out, but he's on the Bullshit Train and she knows it. He even called my lawyer last week and said everything was settled, no need to go to court.

Had to miss a couple of payments. Got back on my feet. Called them to catch up, BOA refused my money.

Fucking BOA. Had a deposit box there for $125, but since I have a mortgage it's only $100. My new bank, $25. Only problem with my new bank, they don't know what a wire is.

[GAMEFINEST]

its worse everywhere..

[theking]

Originally Posted by Sunny Day

It's a damn shame anyone loses their home. The elderly are particularly vulnerable with their fixed incomes don't keep up with rising tax bills. People get in a situation and are embarrassed to ask family or friends for help. There are plenty of resources that can help them, but many times they don't know they exist. People have lost their homes & farms for back taxes as long as there has been a country.

A simple mortgage foreclosure, you have to be served with notice then if you lose, you sell have 90 days to find a way to save your home. Some states also require a court hearing that means the person losing their home can at least stay in the home for up to a year.
As for tax liens, it usually takes 3 years of unpaid taxes to lose a home with a 1 year right to pay off those back taxes. That means for 3 years you got notices in the mail.

I'm on the side of the person losing their home. But fact is people walk away from their mortgage when things go bad. Usually tearing up the place before they go or it sits empty for metal scrappers to strip the place.

Every week I go to the local foreclosure sale. People occasionally show up trying to save their home. I give them my card and tell them I can help (no charge) but they never call. But I'm also there as I have several investors, who know I know the local market so well I know the super bargains.

I realize that sounds I'm preying on the unfortunate, but by the time they get sold at the court house door 90+% are vacant. The owners gave up for what ever reason. And more than 1/2 the mortgages are way more than the actual value of the house. You can probably bet the realtor, appraiser & mortgage company inflated the value of the house and the buyers income.

Losing your home over a $400 water bill isn't right. Most jurisdictions a foreclosure sale of any kind has to be approved by a judge. Seemed this judge failed.

In some states...if not all...the elderly (based upon income) can get a wavier to not pay property tax...and the tax will go on a lien against the property...to be collected if one sells or dies.

[Sunny Day]

Originally Posted by theking

In some states...if not all...the elderly (based upon income) can get a wavier to not pay property tax...and the tax will go on a lien against the property...to be collected if one sells or dies.

Where I live, all the elderly or disabled can get a tax rebate of 1/2 the property tax on their income tax. So if you owe zero income taxes you still have to pay the property tax. Say $1000 property tax you get an income tax refund of $500.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

Must be difficult living next-door to people like that, all the more reason to get your place in Hawaii

The problem is the landlord was trying to please the renter, and both the landlord and the renter could fucking care less about my concerns.

Both houses were model houses for the community and were "over landscaped". When I stepped out of my house I couldn't see the neighbor's house although it's like ten feet away from the property line. It was all trees and bushes, and now I see this...



The gravel is where I legally forced them to remove the pavement. Where the driver's side tires sit are right up against the property line; In order for him to get into his truck he has to walk on my property.

I'm not a dick or anything, but this is just annoying.

[mchacal]

Originally Posted by JohnnyClips

I love how people say "it's the law" like it's the law of gravity or something

Taxes are nothing but theft. What is the law? The law is something someone makes up. That's it. No one agreed to the constitution, agreed to pay taxes, etc it is FORCED upon us and then vehemently defended through the use of propaganda.

Amen!!!!

[peterk]

Originally Posted by Rochard

The problem is the landlord was trying to please the renter, and both the landlord and the renter could fucking care less about my concerns.

Both houses were model houses for the community and were "over landscaped". When I stepped out of my house I couldn't see the neighbor's house although it's like ten feet away from the property line. It was all trees and bushes, and now I see this...



The gravel is where I legally forced them to remove the pavement. Where the driver's side tires sit are right up against the property line; In order for him to get into his truck he has to walk on my property.

I'm not a dick or anything, but this is just annoying.

That looks like any average house in any average neighborhood. You made it sound a lot worst. It looks like you made him rip up only a couple feet. Why make some one go through all of that trouble over a couple feet? It looks like your drive way is just as big as his and as close to the property line. Your concerns are ill founded. You sound like a big dick. I bet he bitches about his asshole neighbor too but he sounds like he has a legit gripe. You are mad because he removed his bushes and expanded his drive way, oh the horror! Put up a fence if you don't want to see his house cheap ass or plant some of your own bushes.

[lagcam]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

If you want my threads to "fuck off" you should stop bumping them to the top

What we really need is a bump to the bottom button.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by peterk

It looks like your drive way is just as big as his and as close to the property line.

No, not at all. His driveway is physically twice as wide as mine. I can park two cars side by side, he can park four.

My driveway is five feet from the property line, while his driveway is up to the property line. When I step out of my car I'm five feet from the property line; When he steps out of his truck he's on my property. To make matters even worse, any time he pulls out his lawn mower or garbage can, he uses my property to move it around his truck.

Originally Posted by peterk

You are mad because he removed his bushes and expanded his drive way, oh the horror!

Half of the bushes he removed and both trees were on my property...

Originally Posted by peterk

Put up a fence if you don't want to see his house cheap ass or plant some of your own bushes.

I can't put a fence, and why should I pay to have my bushes replaced when he removed them?

I'm sorry, but this is ghetto to me. I look outside my front door and I see a big ass truck and pallets.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

It's going to get worse. You people actually bought into the "things are getting better" when they're actually not. Cities, counties, municipalities, are filing for bankruptcy as one city lowered it's workers pay to minimum wage as 50% of future retirement benefits just evaporated in the bond market. What's left only pays Dividend; 1.5% as inflation is 3% or a net loss of -1.5% a year.

In short, you're just a buffer for State/Fed workers who will impose new taxes that will take years in court to challenge. You are nothing but Muppets to them as they'll milk you to death to hang on to what they got.

There is always three sides to every story, yours, theirs, and the truth, but If that were me, and I really did lose my home over $400? They'd be lucky if the home was worth $400 when I was done. Also, whomever signed the paperwork for that to happen, best find the deepest darkest hole on the planet and pull the family in too.

Your missing something here. It's only the government that can do this. Usually it's the HOA who does this, and usually over something as minor such as not cutting your grass often enough.

[Rochard]

Oh wait, I forgot the best part. I signed off on this.

Being as we are in a HOA, he had to filed paperwork and get it approved by the neighbors. I signed off on and approved a diagram of a little sidewalk that was three feet wide, going from his driveway to the back yard. Instead, he doubled the width of his driveway.

What's even better is after all of this, he had the balls to come to me and ask me to sign off on "improvements" on the other side of his property including an RV gate - that side of his yard backs up to the street, and clearly he wanted to add yet more parking. In fact, he didn't have the balls to come to me but instead sent his nineteen year old daughter. I'm a nice guy and I don't have a temper, but I can quickly raise my voice like a drill instructor. He won't be sending his kid around to do his dirty work any more.

[peterk]

Originally Posted by Rochard

No, not at all. His driveway is physically twice as wide as mine. I can park two cars side by side, he can park four.

My driveway is five feet from the property line, while his driveway is up to the property line. When I step out of my car I'm five feet from the property line; When he steps out of his truck he's on my property. To make matters even worse, any time he pulls out his lawn mower or garbage can, he uses my property to move it around his truck.



Half of the bushes he removed and both trees were on my property...



I can't put a fence, and why should I pay to have my bushes replaced when he removed them?

I'm sorry, but this is ghetto to me. I look outside my front door and I see a big ass truck and pallets.

You should go live out in the woods and get some land. You stress out of very small things. So what if he has to step on to your grass. Wow so you see a truck when you look out the side of your house. I would have shot you by now if you were my neighbor. You made them rip up about 12 inches of concrete because it came too close to the property line. You are lucky I don't live next to you I would be doing things just to upset you more. You are lucky, I would put a lot more than palets on side of the house to upset you.

[peterk]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Oh wait, I forgot the best part. I signed off on this.

Being as we are in a HOA, he had to filed paperwork and get it approved by the neighbors. I signed off on and approved a diagram of a little sidewalk that was three feet wide, going from his driveway to the back yard. Instead, he doubled the width of his driveway.

What's even better is after all of this, he had the balls to come to me and ask me to sign off on "improvements" on the other side of his property including an RV gate - that side of his yard backs up to the street, and clearly he wanted to add yet more parking. In fact, he didn't have the balls to come to me but instead sent his nineteen year old daughter. I'm a nice guy and I don't have a temper, but I can quickly raise my voice like a drill instructor. He won't be sending his kid around to do his dirty work any more.

you yelled at his daughter. you are not just a dick but an asshole.

[- Jesus Christ -]

It's simply proof that you don't actually own land in America; You are renting it from the government.

Read about the fall of the roman empire. You are basically watching it happen in real time.

[seeandsee]

people of america... you are fucked if they do this!

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by Rochard

The problem is the landlord was trying to please the renter, and both the landlord and the renter could fucking care less about my concerns.

Both houses were model houses for the community and were "over landscaped". When I stepped out of my house I couldn't see the neighbor's house although it's like ten feet away from the property line. It was all trees and bushes, and now I see this...



The gravel is where I legally forced them to remove the pavement. Where the driver's side tires sit are right up against the property line; In order for him to get into his truck he has to walk on my property.

I'm not a dick or anything, but this is just annoying.

Get a fucking life.



If you had somewhere to go besides sitting on your ass at home all day you would
have never even noticed it.

[topnotch, standup guy]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Half of the bushes he removed and both trees were on my property...

How did he get away with that?

Seems to me that you could have sued him for that.

Anyway...

I would have kept the lawyers out of it and offered the guy the following deal:

1) He get's to keep his entire paved driveway. No need to remove anything
2) In return, he replaces the bushes and trees he removed from your property with new ones of equal size. Have him toss two or three extras in for good measure. No fucking twigs, they gotta be as big as the ones he removed.

Problem solved (or at least mitigated). Right?
.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Get a fucking life.



If you had somewhere to go besides sitting on your ass at home all day you would
have never even noticed it.

I only see it when I leave the house.

I don't care what any of you think. I walk outside my house and I see someone else's garbage.