tired of these "porn is dead" threads?

[papill0n]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I think this is closer to the truth.

For a long time I was accused of putting off shooters from competing with me. Which makes perfect business sense. The less going into my market place, the more left for me.

So who do the "porn is shrinking" threads effect?

Those making a good living as an affiliate? No way, they know their true position.

Those struggling? No way, they know their true position.

Those who don't want more competitors to take their business? Yes, they should welcome the posts of gloom. It deters the 5% who could make some money and ultimately it comes from the same pot. The pot they feed from.

Those who need reassuring all's fine? Yes, they must need their daily dose of "Everything's fine."

Those with something to sell? Yes. Those selling the "Join my scheme and I'll make you rich" The snake oil salesman want the newbies to jump right in.



Deterring competition from dipping their snouts into your troth. Is simply business. The less people, the more left for those in the business. Affiliates and new sites, don't bring a new batch of buyers. Wish they did.

you are seriously just dumb. you cant help it but your biggest mistake has been never realizing that you are in fact an idiot

lucky you decided to stick your fingers in girls holes and click a fucking button because fucking hell man we all know you couldnt even fucking serve ice cream your so fucking retarded

who cares if porn is shrinking ? who cares it its bl;owing up ??

who fucking cares idiot ????????? only morons that arent smart enough to rethink and restructure

youre a fucking idiot

you know nothing about social media despite it account for nearly all the traffic online

nothing

you couldnt tell us a single fucking thing about SM because youre still jerking yourself off in 1994 moron

[19teenporn]

Originally Posted by exadcr

Very few people make money selling porn anymore or any services associated with the adult industry. It is for most people a dead industry. Most people who say they make alot of $ in porn are full of shit and just say it to look good but could never actually prove it if they had too

Well all those threads wouldn't be created in the first place if there actually was a lot of money in porn.

Lol!
Pathetic Loser Alert!

[Colmike9]

Originally Posted by 19teenporn

Lol!
Pathetic Loser Alert!

I loled too

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by papill0n

you are seriously just dumb. you cant help it but your biggest mistake has been never realizing that you are in fact an idiot

lucky you decided to stick your fingers in girls holes and click a fucking button because fucking hell man we all know you couldnt even fucking serve ice cream your so fucking retarded

who cares if porn is shrinking ? who cares it its bl;owing up ??

who fucking cares idiot ????????? only morons that arent smart enough to rethink and restructure

youre a fucking idiot

you know nothing about social media despite it account for nearly all the traffic online

nothing

you couldnt tell us a single fucking thing about SM because youre still jerking yourself off in 1994 moron

No answer, so all he does is shout abuse. Well done butterfly.

[gleem]

It's just different not dead, it evolves every few years and the cycle is getting shorter and shorter.

[Paul Markham]

So Butterfly which one are you?

One of those making a good living as an affiliate and want more competition to take business from you?

One of those struggling and need to keep hearing it's rosy in the garden?

One of those who don't want more competitors to take their business? Yet keep telling newbies it's great.

I think this is you. One of those who need reassuring all's fine. What do you think?

One of those with something to sell? Yes. Those selling the "Join my scheme and I'll make you rich" The snake oil salesman want the newbies to jump right in. I'm not sure if you're bright enough for that judging on your lack of constructive posting and continual sinking to insults. Surprise and show us what you do.

[ShoeBox]

Porn is only dead for the idiots not making profit

[papill0n]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

So Butterfly which one are you?

One of those making a good living as an affiliate and want more competition to take business from you?

One of those struggling and need to keep hearing it's rosy in the garden?

One of those who don't want more competitors to take their business? Yet keep telling newbies it's great.

I think this is you. One of those who need reassuring all's fine. What do you think?

One of those with something to sell? Yes. Those selling the "Join my scheme and I'll make you rich" The snake oil salesman want the newbies to jump right in. I'm not sure if you're bright enough for that judging on your lack of constructive posting and continual sinking to insults. Surprise and show us what you do.

yeah you got me pegged smart guy

i am one of those guys who need reassuring

i am indeed a weak fragile butterly who needs reassuring not just from his mummy but from paul markham the #1 idiot in the adult industry

paul you are one astute and switched on mother fucker

[Paul]

Originally Posted by Sly

How do you know there aren't hundreds of affiliates, thousands of affiliates, laughing in the background right now at these very threads, just as you say they would be doing?

Exactly!

Who the fuck is going to spend all day posting on message boards when you can be making serious money

I've posted here for nearly 10 years and I'm nowhere near 2000 posts!

Plus I'll add all the smart affiliates started their own programs and never looked back.

Once you realize that you can make at least 3 - 4 times promoting your own stuff with your own traffic it's a game changer. I urge any affiliate doing decent volume within a coupe of niches to setup their own paysites.

• No more need to bother wasting time changing links constantly from closing programs
• No more concerns about not getting paid by sponsors
• 100% control of your own content
• Getting other webmasters to promote you

Just a few benefits

One last thing, if you have any amount of creativity and any ability at all to think outside the box concerning traffic generation you're golden!

[Colmike9]

Originally Posted by Paul

Exactly!

Who the fuck is going to spend all day posting on message boards when you can be making serious money

I've posted here for nearly 10 years and I'm nowhere near 2000 posts!

Plus I'll add all the smart affiliates started their own programs and never looked back.

Once you realize that you can make at least 3 - 4 times promoting your own stuff with your own traffic it's a game changer. I urge any affiliate doing decent volume within a coupe of niches to setup their own paysites.

• No more need to bother wasting time changing links constantly from closing programs
• No more concerns about not getting paid by sponsors
• 100% control of your own content
• Getting other webmasters to promote you

Just a few benefits

One last thing, if you have any amount of creativity and any ability at all to think outside the box concerning traffic generation you're golden!

I used regular affiliate marketing to learn and evolve from.

[papill0n]

Originally Posted by Paul

Exactly!

Who the fuck is going to spend all day posting on message boards when you can be making serious money

I've posted here for nearly 10 years and I'm nowhere near 2000 posts!

Plus I'll add all the smart affiliates started their own programs and never looked back.

Once you realize that you can make at least 3 - 4 times promoting your own stuff with your own traffic it's a game changer. I urge any affiliate doing decent volume within a coupe of niches to setup their own paysites.

• No more need to bother wasting time changing links constantly from closing programs
• No more concerns about not getting paid by sponsors
• 100% control of your own content
• Getting other webmasters to promote you

Just a few benefits

One last thing, if you have any amount of creativity and any ability at all to think outside the box concerning traffic generation you're golden!

exactly, well said 'smart paul'

standby for 'dumb pauls' dribble

[Nickatilynx]

Originally Posted by Paul

Exactly!

Who the fuck is going to spend all day posting on message boards when you can be making serious money

I've posted here for nearly 10 years and I'm nowhere near 2000 posts!

Plus I'll add all the smart affiliates started their own programs and never looked back.

Once you realize that you can make at least 3 - 4 times promoting your own stuff with your own traffic it's a game changer. I urge any affiliate doing decent volume within a coupe of niches to setup their own paysites.

• No more need to bother wasting time changing links constantly from closing programs
• No more concerns about not getting paid by sponsors
• 100% control of your own content
• Getting other webmasters to promote you

Just a few benefits

One last thing, if you have any amount of creativity and any ability at all to think outside the box concerning traffic generation you're golden!

bingo!!!

See PM..there are people that "get it".

And as Sly said...

Markham..like I said to you in the other numerous threads...

We are laughing at you.

In private boards , in skype and even on the phone!! LOL

Far-l did not post in the other thread cause you posted in it. (( You tried to suggest he did))

He posted cause he saw I had , another veteran that does well and decided to say "Hi" and then tell u how retarded you are...very politely LOL

You are beyond bewildered. LOL

We are not :
a) thinking you have a point. - you don't
b) we do not think you are just trolling - we know u believe the ass you spout
c) we are not laughing with you - we are laughing AT you.

We ALL laugh at you!!.

Oh except for the surfmasters ( surfers pretending to be webmasters)

PM , you need to be this high to ride this ride...please get off LOL

(( you are so unlucky that now the time zones suit me that I have all my stuff done and can spend 5 mins a few times a day mocking you for the hell of it!! ))

I am still laughing that you doubted Old Jeff's credentials...

You ignore posts , I notice , that reveal you for the idiot you are .You also are the master of the editted post lol After its pointed out you are an idiot by your own previous post.

I and many others do not make you look an idiot , we reveal you as one with your help!!

hilarious!

Night night

[Paul]

Originally Posted by papill0n

exactly, well said 'smart paul'

standby for 'dumb pauls' dribble

That senile cunt has been on my ignore list for a long long time!

You know what annoys me most about Paul Markham? Not his constant dribble (because he is on my ignore list)

What annoys me is the fact that people actually reply to him and give him the time of day, he's not worth a second of your time. The fact that I even have to scroll past "This user is on your Ignore List." for a number of posters on this forum annoys me because it wastes seconds of my precious time!

If everyone ignored his ridiculously ignorant and stupid posts he'd get bored and stop posting and more importantly decent threads and topics would not get derailed and turned into a load of pointless posts with people arguing, flaming, mocking and replying to him.

It's attention seeking, nothing more!

I'll say this much, if I ever get cancer in the future and I manage somehow to overcome such an awful illness and I'm given a second chance at life I would not waste that second chance posting useless shit on a forum online every single day.

I'd be out enjoying my second chance at life!

[Nicky]

Awaiting clueless ramblings from Paul Markham.

[Overload]

lol, i am making more green with translations these days online porn IS dead ... or, at least a zombie

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by xinyonghu

can I visit your site?

lol...I wouldn't count on that imaginary site ever existing.

[AmyLockheart]

Originally Posted by Paul

Exactly!

Who the fuck is going to spend all day posting on message boards when you can be making serious money

I've posted here for nearly 10 years and I'm nowhere near 2000 posts!

Plus I'll add all the smart affiliates started their own programs and never looked back.

Once you realize that you can make at least 3 - 4 times promoting your own stuff with your own traffic it's a game changer. I urge any affiliate doing decent volume within a coupe of niches to setup their own paysites.

• No more need to bother wasting time changing links constantly from closing programs
• No more concerns about not getting paid by sponsors
• 100% control of your own content
• Getting other webmasters to promote you

Just a few benefits

One last thing, if you have any amount of creativity and any ability at all to think outside the box concerning traffic generation you're golden!

Thank you for this post. Well said.

[epitome]

Prove PM wrong and he says he puts you on his ignore list. Throw a fake compliment at him in another thread and proudly accepts it forgetting he said you're on ignore.

[johnnyloadproductions]

One thing I have noticed though is a lot of the people that say there is money aren't content producers (with exception of those in areas with high model turnover). Building bots and autopilot scripts isn't that hard anymore.
Making a living as an exclusive content producer is no where what it used to be.

It can probably be safely said that those who are making alright money in this thread are not content producers, exclusively. Anymore to survive people are spreading themselves thin and when that happens you become shallow and in turn become a spammer.

[johnnyloadproductions]

Originally Posted by epitome

Prove PM wrong and he says he puts you on his ignore list. Throw a fake compliment at him in another thread and proudly accepts it forgetting he said you're on ignore.

This made me grin.

[Supz]

porn isnt dead. ask my hand.

[ShoeBox]

nobody wants to spend money on nikki99 when they can go out side and fuck a crack whore

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by johnnyloadproductions

One thing I have noticed though is a lot of the people that say there is money aren't content producers (with exception of those in areas with high model turnover). Building bots and autopilot scripts isn't that hard anymore.
Making a living as an exclusive content producer is no where what it used to be.

It can probably be safely said that those who are making alright money in this thread are not content producers, exclusively. Anymore to survive people are spreading themselves thin and when that happens you become shallow and in turn become a spammer.

A lot of people posting it's all great haven't got anything to say constructive but abuse and no signature.

This is funny.

How do you know there aren't hundreds of affiliates, thousands of affiliates, laughing in the background right now at these very threads, just as you say they would be doing?

Or millions of affiliates, or billions of affiliates, or trillions of affiliates, or 2.

More straws to clutch you dumb fucks.

Prove PM wrong and he says he puts you on his ignore list. Throw a fake compliment at him in another thread and proudly accepts it forgetting he said you're on ignore.

Then prove me wrong. So far no one has come up with any proof beyond "How do we know" Or "I think my estimate" or "I know someone"

Idiots who think that's proof are part of the reason this industry is sinking.

Reasons this industry is shrinking.

Economy.
Availability of pirated porn.
Free Tube sites.
Proliferation of free porn.
Faster downloads means most sites can be downloaded in 30 days.
People leaving the business.
Sites closing.
Programs closing.
Sponsors not paying.
Boards shutting down.
Boards slowing to a snails pace.
Cost of buying traffic.
Models complaining of the lack of work.

Got anything other than "How do we know" or "I know a man who"?

[Paul Markham]

Still waiting for proof.

[lucas131]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Still waiting for proof.

proof of what? that all you can do is talk some theory but you dont work cause you are lazy as fuck? instead of wasting time crying here you could have learned from people here and start making money again. but yeah i know, another blah blah excuses facts and all other crap to come. no answer is needed paul, just wake up, you are not that old senile

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by lucas131

proof of what? that all you can do is talk some theory but you dont work cause you are lazy as fuck? instead of wasting time crying here you could have learned from people here and start making money again. but yeah i know, another blah blah excuses facts and all other crap to come. no answer is needed paul, just wake up, you are not that old senile

Lucas, I don't NEED to work. I made enough in the good old days. not a fortune, still enough to never NEED to work again.

I was told for the best part of 8 years that online porn was the new powerhouse of the porn industry. When is fact all it was doing was replacing a more successful offline porn industry with a cheaper version. The money made online was lost in offline porn. no complaints, that's business and we came over to online and took advantage of he new way to sell, while selling in the old markets.

Now the truth is hitting those who didn't have a clue of what was really happening. 1,000s of buyers were switching models of consuming porn, maybe every day. Some gave up buying all together. Now there's no offline porn industry worth sucking customers from, the exodus to the free model is from ex online membership buyers.

Epitome said, prove me wrong and I put people on my Ignore list. well the problem with that lie is. They don't have any proof. Neither do I, it's all from observations. And so far no one sees any indication it's not declining.

[blonda80]

Originally Posted by fetishwealth

its tru the gold rush is over just pick the right sites / program to promote and there is money to be made.

Its harder to make it now but its possible....

Work hard #1

Work smart #2

Dont give up #3

That is so true! Hard work and keep motivation!
Thank you

[DarkPeter]

I work partial time as affiliate from 2000 or so. I earned my first $15 in first 24 hours. Every pay period for that 11+ years i earned some good (for partial bussiness) money sometimes $100, sometimes $600. But last pay period 1 Jul - 15 Jul 2012 total $0 with all programs. Never happened before.

So i agree there is something changing. Not saying online porn is dead or there are no money any more. But definitely not so easy as it used to be.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by johnnyloadproductions

One thing I have noticed though is a lot of the people that say there is money aren't content producers (with exception of those in areas with high model turnover). Building bots and autopilot scripts isn't that hard anymore.
Making a living as an exclusive content producer is no where what it used to be.

It can probably be safely said that those who are making alright money in this thread are not content producers, exclusively. Anymore to survive people are spreading themselves thin and when that happens you become shallow and in turn become a spammer.

there are some content producers that are quite busy

but what i can say: the number of small independent paysite owners has definitely gone down.

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Still waiting for proof.

Paul, love, no one will ever be able to prove it to you because you believe it is false.

It is like EVERY SINGLE poster that comments on your Abusing Lola video saying how creepy, unprofessional and just yucky it is. But you look at it and see a charming man flirting with a nubile interested girl. Everyone else sees a dirty old man trying to touch up a girl he has paid to shoot, not grope. No matter how many times you see people posting saying how creepy it is, you watch it and think it is good.

Like trying to convince a borne again Christian that god is a myth.

Like persuading a veggie to have a rare steak.

Just won't happen.

I told you that Epoch said 3 years ago the decline had stopped and you called me a liar, and lied about emailing Epoch and them saying I was lying.

Whatever proof you are offered, you will claim is a lie.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by DamianJ

Paul, love, no one will ever be able to prove it to you because you believe it is false.

Damian love. No one will provide proof, because there's no proof that can be divulged.

What would constitute proof?

Ccbill's, Epoch's, Verotel's figures on porn site processing might be a good one. Not what someone said to you at a dinner. That's not proof.

Like so many things, you draw a line a lot lower than I do.

We do have anecdotal evidence and that all points to me being right.

Economy.
Availability of pirated porn.
Free Tube sites.
Proliferation of free porn.
Faster downloads means most sites can be downloaded in 30 days.
People leaving the business.
Sites closing.
Programs closing.
Sponsors not paying.
Boards shutting down.
Boards slowing to a snails pace.
Cost of buying traffic.
Models complaining of the lack of work.

Add
People telling us their income is dropping.
People telling us the industry is shrinking.
People telling us we need to work harder.

Plus



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-18352421

http://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/20...et-killed-porn

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/aug...s/fi-ct-porn10

Some vaguely better news.

http://www.shinyshiny.tv/2010/03/porn_industry_b.html

http://www.rosebudmag.com/music-ente...ndustry-012711

http://www.challies.com/articles/sex-isnt-selling

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/01/09/po...gling-economy/

http://newsflavor.com/politics/us-po...ustry-bailout/

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/02/te...pagewanted=all

http://articles.businessinsider.com/...-content-sites

http://www.reddit.com/comments/dcnpd...try_declining/

http://www.wasdstomp.com/2010/01/por...-on-world.html

http://copyrightcommerceandculture.c...porn-industry/

http://digg.com/news/offbeat/is_the_...stry_declining

http://www.frcblog.com/2011/08/playb...porn-business/

So there's your chance to show us I'm wrong. And don't forget this isn't just about me, others read this and will be amazed you don't come up with the challenge and produce anecdotal evidence I'm wrong.

Lets face it you are a shining light of success in online porn.

http://vimeo.com/13411050



Yes guys if you work hard you can be a success like Damian is.

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Damian love. No one will provide proof, because there's no proof that can be divulged.

Ccbill's, Epoch's, Verotel's figures on porn site processing might be a good one.

So first off there is no proof, then you call for the IPSP's accounts as proof.

Make your mind up. There either is proof or there isn't.

Think this stuff through before you post, kid.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Like so many things, you draw a line a lot lower than I do.

Can't get much lower than you, can you? I mean, you lie about being retired, you're broke, you rent a small cottage for $150 a month that you can't cover so you send your wife out to work a very menial job whilst you sit on your arse all day trying to annoy people you don't know on the internet.

That's fairly low.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

We do have anecdotal evidence and that all points to me being right.

Haaaang on a minute, you said the Court of Markham refuses to accept anecdotal evidence, now you ask for it and you use it to try and prove you are right? Look at the citations in those articles. Look at the sources of the data.

You are so lolsome.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Lets face it you are a shining light of success in online porn.

I don't lie about being retired, or successful Paul like you do. I make a nice living and enjoy what I do.

Let's see what you think success looks like:



Shelves full of utter tat from funfair stall?

Wow.

Thing is, just like the shooting lola creepout vid, you probably think those shelves full of 50 cent tat looks good. You come into your sitting room and think "wow, I am classy and successful, look at this cheap plastic owl. PROOF!"

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Yes guys if you work hard you can be a success like Damian is.

No need to work hard to be a success like you Paul. You just lie, pretend you are retired and pretend you bought your own house and 20 year old car! Simples!